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Category:Safavid Empire

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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename. (non-admin closure) 2pou (talk) 22:03, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Safavid Empire to Category:Safavid Iran
 * Nominator's rationale: rename per main article: Safavid Empire redirects to Safavid Iran. I am not sure whether this is an uncontroversial speedy rename candidate. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:47, 5 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Support. Could also do with a re-direct from "Persian Empire". And what about its parent Category:2nd millennium in Iran? Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:11, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Support. Amir Ghandi (talk) 11:55, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Support To match the name of the main article. Dimadick (talk) 19:21, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Support -- Obviously an unnecessary layer. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:42, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Venetian emigrants

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:43, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Venetian emigrants to Category:People from Venice
 * Nominator's rationale: only 1. We dont categorise emigrants by city of origin. There is a seperate Category:Republic of Venice emigrants Rathfelder (talk) 20:39, 5 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete as the creator I intended this to be Category:Republic of Venice emigrants. The actual article in here now is someone who was an emigrant from Italy. In general we should categorize emigrants by the first level polity they left from. There may be arguments for classifying them by recognized dependency or colony they leave, but there is no workable argument for classifying people leaving Italy anytime in the 20th-century as emigrants from a more particular area.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:46, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge/delete (effect of merge and delete is the same, in this case), per above discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:42, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge/delete per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 12:27, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as now empty. Having Category:Republic of Venice emigrants (though still small) is appropriate.  Should it become a cat-redirect?  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:45, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I am not sure that is wise, since this category was actually being used for people who were born about 100 years after the Republic of Venice ceased to exist.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:13, 11 January 2021 (UTC)


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Agencies of the Confederate States government

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:41, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging to


 * Propose deleting government agencies of the confederate states


 * Propose deleting


 * Propose deleting organizations based in the confederate states by subject


 * Propose deleting organizations based in the confederate states


 * Propose deleting executive branch of the confederate states government


 * Nominator's rationale: removing unnecessary redundant and empty intermediate layers. The only content of this entire category structure is and its subcontent, such as . Place Clichy (talk) 16:37, 5 January 2021 (UTC)


 * delete we do not need to create all possible steps in a category tree, just to have them, when there is only really one set of articles involved.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:04, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge and delete per nom, and add the lone article Confederate States War Department to Category:Executive branch of the Confederate States government. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:45, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * This category is also nominated for deletion. Article Confederate States War Department is already in Category:Confederate States War Department, which is in, which I suggest placing in if my above proposal goes through. Place Clichy (talk) 12:26, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:20, 6 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Support Too many layers to aid navigation given the number of articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:21, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Support to remove unnecessary layers. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:47, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


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Category:American actor-athletes

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:33, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting american actor-athletes


 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection of two separate professions. User:Namiba 15:23, 5 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete That's why we have separate categories for the different unrelated professions. There is no reason for a category of actor-athlete hybrids. This is a perfect example WP:Overcategorization with current actor and athlete categories which you easily feature the article on. ₛₒₘₑBₒdyₐₙyBₒdy₀₅ (talk) 15:30, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete No source to indicate that this is a notable topic. Dimadick (talk) 16:15, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete That many athletes become actors is true. John Wayne is an easy to think of example. Dean Cain is also an example that comes to mind. However I do not think this is a defining intersection. I am also not sure we are going to be able to regulate it to truly defining intersection cases. A-there are a huge number of films and television series made where athletes act in them, mainly doing athletic things though. If that is the only role, I think it would be non-defining. However we have cases like Steve Young who had a role in one episode of Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman where he played one of Lois Lane's former high school friends. He was described even as a former football player, but it is not like he was running around the field in the film. Still if this one episode in the show as a supporting character is Young's entire acting career, this is not enough to categorize by. Anyone to fit this would need to clearly meet at least the multiple "significant" roles in notable productions threshold to be put in. Do we have the resources to make sure that is done? At the same time they would also have to meet the other side of it, be a notable athlete. Since this is an American cat I guess we can use athlete broadly (except we normally do not). So if this meant to be people in athletic who were also actors or actresses, or does it mean people in sports who were also actors or actresses. If it is intent for the later, in the unlikely event we keep it it should be renamed Category:American actor-sportspeople. However that also brings up the question, how much sports do we need. I am sure there are huge numbers of people who had notable acting careers who played sports in high school, a smaller but still significant number who played in college. Basically to fit in this category we should limit it to people who we can clearly show that their role as a sports person and as an actor were both notable. However we also need to be able to create Actor-athlete or actor-sportsperson as an article that is reliable sourced and more than just a list. It has to say something substantive about the importance of the intersection of careers. I do not think this can be done.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:12, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note I've added Category:American athlete-politicians. If there are objections from anyone who has already commented, please let me know and I will create a separate nomination.--User:Namiba 21:11, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , I would object to including in this nomination, not necessarily because I think it should be kept, but for two reasons. (1) Because it is part of the quite-extensive, and I don't think that just one of these should be discussed in isolation, and (2) because the tree was discussed previously with a no consensus result. See here. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:27, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I will nominate it separately and removed it from this discussion.--User:Namiba 13:37, 6 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete as trivial intersections. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:46, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete trivial intersection. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:13, 7 January 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Scholars of constitutional law

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge Category:Constitutional law scholars to Category:Scholars of constitutional law. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:39, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Scholars of constitutional law to Category:Constitutional law scholars
 * Nominator's rationale: The latter phrasing is consistent with other members of Category:Legal scholars by specialty. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  14:06, 5 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge or reverse merge as apparently duplicate categories. Note that there is no consistent format in Category:Legal scholars by specialty. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:47, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Reverse merge
 * scholars of constitutional law is long standing since 2008.
 * constitutional law scholars is a recent 2020-11-12 by Buidhe with only 2 members.
 * 20 are "Scholars of ...", 14 are "... scholars" so probably should rename the others.
 * I've checked many dates, and all of the "... scholars" are more recent creations, one of them at Categories for discussion/Log/2017 April 4.
 * William Allen Simpson (talk) 17:32, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The form "X law scholars" is more concise, so I would support renaming them all to that. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  12:13, 8 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge or Reverse Merge Clearly overlapping but I'll let other editors decide the best name. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:08, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge somehow -- Obviously the same. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:48, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Reverse merge as per User:William Allen Simpson — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eastlaw (talk • contribs) 2021-01-13 01:50:53 (UTC)


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Category:Murdered explorers

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:07, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Murdered explorers to Category:Assassinated explorers
 * Nominator's rationale: As suggested in earlier CfD, who were killed for political reasons.


 * Note: This does not include activists who died under mysterious circumstances, such as rumoured assassination attempts or other undetermined causes.
 * William Allen Simpson (talk) 13:52, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 14:18, 5 January 2021 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 01:38, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * This was their idea.
 * User:William Allen Simpson, would you mind condensing all of the nominations under one heading so that we can discuss them together?--User:Namiba 15:25, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It is better to leave the discussions separate. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:06, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Namiba, see that "earlier CfD" mentioned above? That's where they were discussed together. WP:TRAINWRECK

William Allen Simpson (talk) 14:26, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Support Several of them were involved in wars and other military campaigns, and were killed because of their involvement. Dimadick (talk) 16:17, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose, many explorers were murdered by people in the very countries that they explored, that does not count as an assassination. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:55, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * My expection is that "explorers" who were military and were not assassinated were simply deaths. We don't call most military fatalities "murder". We do call specific military deaths "assassination", such as Qasem Soleimani.
 * Most people in this category weren't military and even for the few who were, like Collet Barker, it was not an assessination. He was murdered as an explorer, not as military. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:29, 7 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete apart from the triviality, it is entirely subjective. James Cook was killed while attempting to kidnap the local leader, seems to me to be self-defense. This embeds a cultural mindset that the people encountered by white-western-explorers decided to defend themselves or their autonomy constitutes "murder" or "assassination". Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:18, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I do not agree with triviality in this case. Many explorers were murdered because indigenous people considered their exploration to be a threat. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:29, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Both murdered and assassinated indicate victimhood; no one killed in self-defense is considered to have been "murdered" or "assassinated" so the judgment of WP seems to side with western-centrism that there was no justification for the deaths of these intruders, invaders, and enslavers. I think this is thus an opinion category. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:56, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep Getting murdered often seemed to be an occupational hazard here and I think "assassinated" will have less clear inclusion criteria.- RevelationDirect (talk) 03:11, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep -- Assassination carries a specific context to the event which murder does not. Deaths during military campaigns should be purged, as not murder, but cases of murder where there is an argument that it was self-defence could stay.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:51, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Murdered lawyers

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete, create Category:Assassinated lawyers out of purged contents. I have tried to include in Category:Assassinated lawyers only those who were killed for their work as a lawyer. I have been liberal in questionable cases, so someone else might want to take a look at the contents. At the time of the close there were 9 articles in it. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:20, 29 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Murdered lawyers to Category:Assassinated lawyers
 * Nominator's rationale: As suggested in earlier CfD, who were killed for professional activities.


 * Note: This does not include activists who died under mysterious circumstances, such as rumoured assassination attempts or other undetermined causes.
 * William Allen Simpson (talk) 13:50, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 14:15, 5 January 2021 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 14:40, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * This was his idea.
 * Agree per nominator. BTW, is this even a notable intersection like "Assassinated judges"? Debresser (talk) 14:31, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Buidhe cites two articles in the previous discussion. If passed, this will likely require pruning.

William Allen Simpson (talk) 18:33, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If renamed, there should be a manual check whether articles still belong in the category after renaming. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:57, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete again subjective criteria; was Abe Lincoln or Alan Berg killed for being lawyers rather than being a politician and radio show host? I didn't look at the others, but the presence of these two shows the subjectiveness of this cat. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:21, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename and Purge This seems to be a more defining intersection but it will reduce the scope. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:12, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep but purge -- This should be limited to cases where the victim was killed because he was a lawyer, not for example domestic murders by a spouse or where the victims last occupation was not the law. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:55, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete most lawyers who are notable are notable for other things, so if allowed to keep this will just be used to apply to people who normally better fit in other categories. We need to use wisdom in creating categories, and there is no wisdom found in creating this one.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:23, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Alternative delete — in the interest of closing, agree to deletion (as originally proposed). Buidhe has not participated in discussing his own idea. In any other case (keep or rename), this must be manually purged to match the more restrictive requirements.
 * Rename and purge (preferably) or keep, do not delete, at minimum assassinated lawyers should be kept. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:59, 25 January 2021 (UTC)


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People of Abruzzese descent

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete/merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:36, 14 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete Category:People of Abruzzese descent
 * Merge Category:American people of Abruzzese descent to Category:American people of Italian descent
 * Merge Category:Argentine people of Abruzzese descent to Category:Argentine people of Italian descent
 * Nominator's rationale per our article, Abruzzese is not an ethnic group, it is a language (broadly defined, as in as long as we refuse to call anything a dialect), that is spoken in a region of Italy. So we are in theory categorizing people by the language spoken by their ancestors. In practice we are using this to cover anyone who had ancestors who came from a particular region in Italy. This is a bridge to far, is categorizing people more finely than they will be regularly identified, people do not write "person x was of Abruzzese, French and English descent" they will instead write "person x had ancestors from Italy, France and England." then if it is a super indepth coverage 5 paragraphs later they may tell you where in Italy the ancestors came from.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:47, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. This is chopped down a bit too thin. Place Clichy (talk) 16:40, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete and merge as trivial intersections. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:58, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete descent categories per my stated position on them (User:Carlossuarez46/Descent categories). Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:22, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Abruzzese is part of the Neapolitan language. The people living in Abruzzo are still considered Italian. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 23:02, 7 January 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Murdered revolutionaries

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:35, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Murdered revolutionaries to Category:Assassinated revolutionaries
 * Nominator's rationale: As suggested in earlier CfD, who were killed for political reasons.


 * Note: This does not include activists who died under mysterious circumstances, such as rumoured assassination attempts or other undetermined causes.


 * Category:Executed revolutionaries is separate.


 * William Allen Simpson (talk) 13:47, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 14:12, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * This was their idea.
 * Support "Assassinated" is more defining for revolutionaries than "murdered for any reason whatsoever. The only article that would not meet the new inclusion criteria is Hélène Rytmann, who was murdered by her husband, who claimed mental illness. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 14:20, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 17:20, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment According to the dictionary "Assassination is the murder of a prominent person or political figure by a surprise attack, usually for payment or political reasons." I think the two conditions, political figure and political reasons, are usually satisfied in the case of murder revolutionaries, so I have no problem with this nomination, although I don't see a real necessity for it either. Debresser (talk) 14:22, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Support They typically are killed because of their political activities. Dimadick (talk) 16:18, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Support and purge Hélène Rytmann, per LaundryPizza03. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:00, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Done purging Hélène Rytmann.


 * Delete purely subjective; one person's "murder" is another's "protecting the state". An argument could be made that the lady killed in the capitol building yesterday would fit into this category, while an argument could be made that the death was something other than "murder" (self-defense, perhaps) and she was nothing but a lawbreaker killed in the act of her lawbreaking. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:25, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename and purge Hélène Rytmann, per LaundryPizza03. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:15, 9 January 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Murdered animal activists
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 * The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn. Will split as suggested, and will be deleted as empty. (non-admin closure) William Allen Simpson (talk) 12:14, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Murdered animal activists to Category:Assassinated animal activists
 * Nominator's rationale: Already in Category:Assassinated activists tree.
 * William Allen Simpson (talk) 13:05, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 14:31, 7 January 2021 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 17:18, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment The only reason to agree with this nomination would be for consistency's sake. Debresser (talk) 14:25, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Support Activism is political activity. Dimadick (talk) 16:19, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose an outright rename, of the 7 articles in the category 2 are clearly not about an assassination and 2 others are not certain. I am open to alternative solutions. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:05, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * That's a problem. By the rules, we aren't supposed to prune the category before renaming. It's fairly clear that we shouldn't categorize animal activists who happened to be murdered for some other reason. There's a well-populated tree for assassinations for political reasons. Then prune....
 * Done removing all who were not assassinated for their activism, merely murdered for profit or by family members.


 * Delete for the same reasons I have given above to these trivial intersections. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:25, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Split between parent categories Category:Murdered activists (the two Indian anti-cow slaughter activists) and Category:Environmental killings (the two others), these activists are too different from each other to keep them in one category. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:41, 7 January 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Murdered activists
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete; applicable articles can go in . Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:34, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting murdered activists


 * Nominator's rationale: Trivial intersection. No notable WP:DEFINING link between the occupation and the manner of death. Not expected as a professional hazard or qualification. There may have been many years between the occupation and the death, making the link even weaker.


 * Note: Sources about the death of a person will often discuss both their occupation and their cause of death. This doesn't make this intersection any more notable than a combination with other aspects often discussed in such notices, such as their number of children.


 * Category:Assassinated activists‎ is in a separate tree.


 * See also: related rationale about suicides by occupation:
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 28
 * William Allen Simpson (talk) 12:56, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 14:33, 7 January 2021 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 17:10, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose Activism is political activity. Dimadick (talk) 16:20, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If needed, move articles from Category:Murdered activists to Category:Assassinated activists, thereafter this can be deleted per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:08, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Are you advocating to violate the rules, and empty during a nomination?
 * Done.
 * I am definitely not supporting violating the rules, I am proposing something in the discussion. It is up to the closing admin to determine if there is consensus for this proposal, and if so, to implement it in some way. Please revert your emptying. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:47, 7 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete not only because of the trivial intersection, but because our article activism basically defines everyone who has done anything for any reason to be an "activist". Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:26, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete We already have Category:Assassinated activists which is a defining intersection. This is not. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:16, 9 January 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Murdered judges
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete; applicable articles can go in . Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:33, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting murdered judges


 * Nominator's rationale: Trivial intersection. No notable WP:DEFINING link between the occupation and the manner of death. Not expected as a professional hazard or qualification. There may have been many years between the occupation and the death, making the link even weaker.


 * Note: Sources about the death of a person will often discuss both their occupation and their cause of death. This doesn't make this intersection any more notable than a combination with other aspects often discussed in such notices, such as their number of children.


 * Category:Assassinated judges is in a separate tree.


 * See also: related rationale about suicides by occupation:
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 28
 * William Allen Simpson (talk) 12:40, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 14:33, 7 January 2021 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 16:33, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Conditional agree I agree with the nomination, under condition that each of the 13 articles in this category is checked whether it shouldn't be in Category:Assassinated judges. Debresser (talk) 14:26, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose Killings of government personnel are notable. Dimadick (talk) 16:22, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If needed, move articles from Category:Murdered judges to Category:Assassinated judges, thereafter this can be deleted per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:09, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Are you advocating to violate the rules, and empty during a nomination?
 * Done. Most of them were by IRA, and were already in an assissinated or terrorism category.


 * Delete trivial intersection, someone who was a judge gets murdered...someone stealing her purse? road rage? has nothing to do with his/her judgeship. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:27, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete We already have Category:Assassinated judges which is a defining intersection. This is not.
 * Partial merge to Category:Assassinated judgesm then delete what is left. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:57, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Murdered philosophers
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:09, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting murdered philosophers


 * Nominator's rationale: Trivial intersection. No notable WP:DEFINING link between the occupation and the manner of death. Not expected as a professional hazard or qualification. There may have been many years between the occupation and the death, making the link even weaker.


 * Note: Sources about the death of a person will often discuss both their occupation and their cause of death. This doesn't make this intersection any more notable than a combination with other aspects often discussed in such notices, such as their number of children.


 * See also: related rationale about suicides by occupation:
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 28
 * William Allen Simpson (talk) 12:33, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 14:35, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose Their expression of ideas could very well be the cause of the murder. Dimadick (talk) 16:23, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose and Rename This is a defining category for philosopher similar to what User:Dimadick said about how the person philosopher's views could have gotten killed such the famous philosopher Socrates, who was executed. This is not like the occupation or profession in this category is unrelated and undefining to the adjective here. ₛₒₘₑBₒdyₐₙyBₒdy₀₅ (talk) 19:11, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * There is no point in making speculations, by just reading the articles it becomes clear that this is not actually the case. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:25, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * To be defining, it must be commonly and consistently applied to the profession. Obviously not the case.


 * Delete per nom. The hypothesis that their expression of ideas could very well be the cause of the murder is not substantiated by the articles that are in this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:13, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete trivial intersection. per nom. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:28, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep -- Some of these seem to have been killed for their views or where those views became mixed up in politics. This is not a trivial intersection, but those cases where it is trivial should be purged.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:04, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - per Peterkingiron & Dimadick, if a philosopher's death is caused in part by their views and profession, than their said philosophical profession is directly relevant to their death. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 20:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC)


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Murdered writers
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:31, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting murdered american writers


 * Propose deleting murdered british writers


 * Propose deleting murdered male writers


 * Propose deleting murdered women writers


 * Nominator's rationale: Trivial intersection. No notable WP:DEFINING link between the occupation and the manner of death. Not expected as a professional hazard or qualification. There may have been many years between the occupation and the death, making the link even weaker.


 * Note: Sources about the death of a person will often discuss both their occupation and their cause of death. This doesn't make this intersection any more notable than a combination with other aspects often discussed in such notices, such as their number of children.


 * See also: related rationale about suicides by occupation:
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 28
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 28
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 28
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 28
 * William Allen Simpson (talk) 12:23, 5 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Agree Although I think you are wrong comparing "murder writes" to "writers who committed suicide", as I think deleting that category was a huge mistake. Debresser (talk) 14:29, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose I do not think this is trivial, and the sources usually cover the topic. Dimadick (talk) 16:23, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:14, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Trivial intersection. Again, a writer is killed in a road rage incident, or in a mass shooting, or in a deliberate plane crash - nothing defining about that. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:29, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Usually coincidental so it's a trivial intersection. -RevelationDirect (talk) 03:18, 9 January 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Similarity and distance measures
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 January 27%23Category:Similarity and distance measures

Category:2021 births
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:30, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting 2021 births


 * Nominator's rationale: When someone of note is born this year, this category can be recreated. No need for placeholders even though it is an eventual certainty. Just have to wait until that time. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 02:52, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * FYI This happened last year, too (see WP:CfD/Log/2020 Jan 1). I'm not sure what the rush is. That one was recreated in May when there was something to populate it with. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 03:02, 5 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete Category definitely is not warranted at the moment as no notable celebrity births have occurred. No reason to just have a dormant placeholder category for months. So a temporary deletion for empty category maintenance. ₛₒₘₑBₒdyₐₙyBₒdy₀₅ (talk) 03:26, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, create when someone born this year becomes notable and has an article. Majavah (talk!) 07:24, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per Majavah....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:42, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep I see no reason to delete a category that we know 99% for sure that we will need in the end. I agree that it should not have been created yet, but once created, deleting it is an exercise in futility. Debresser (talk) 14:24, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, back until 2017 there is only one article in every category (once plus a redirect). It may take many months or maybe longer than a year before this category will become populated. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:18, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Not needed right now, but can always be recreated later if necessary (i.e. someone born in 2021 is notable enough to have their own article on Wikipedia).  Giggity Giggity  Goo!  21:53, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * DElete (and merge most of 2010s siblings). Very few people become notable at birth.  The latest to have a population of more than 5 (apart from redirects) is 2011.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:08, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * There are 6 (not including redirects) in 2012. Subscribe to me (talk) 18:19, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep There will be notable people who will be notable at birth this year just like any other year. Subscribe to me (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 18:15, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 * So just recreate it when that happens. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 00:20, 14 January 2021 (UTC)


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Category:RIAJ Reco-kyō Chart number-one ringtones
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:11, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting riaj reco-kyō chart number-one ringtones


 * Nominator's rationale: My how time flies...I nominated this category 10 years ago (see Categories for discussion/Log/2011 January 7, and I still believe that no matter how many ringtones of a song are sold, reaching number one on a ringtone chart is not a defining aspect of a song. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 01:20, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete (as category creator) - Categories for #1 singles are a relic of the past. --Prosperosity (talk) 03:08, 16 January 2021 (UTC)


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Category:New Year films
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Films set around New Year. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:15, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:New Year films to Category:Films set during New Year or :Category:Films about New Year
 * Nominator's rationale: The term "New year films" alienates films that have a significant portion of the movie around the subject of New Year's eve and day or a significant portion of the motion picture takes place during New Year's Eve/day. ₛₒₘₑBₒdyₐₙyBₒdy₀₅ (talk) 01:16, 5 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Support, although the whole tree of probably needs a decent look. The key article is at List of films set around New Year, so the category's title should probably match. Grutness...  wha?   02:13, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I would have no objection whatsoever to the category and list both being moved to "...during..." Grutness... wha?   03:24, 6 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Support Move to Category:Films set during New Year. This is a setting, not a topic. Dimadick (talk) 16:26, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename, though Category:Films set around New Year may be slightly more accurate, including New Year's Eve, and per article title List of films set around New Year. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:30, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment is this a genre? Most films are set during some time and objectively how much does this timing have to do with the film? E.g., sure the Poseidon films all celebrated New Years, but rather than tagging articles like them with trivial categories, first and foremost all sources call them disaster films, not "new years films" or anything like that. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:33, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-defining and trivial. A setting is not a genre.--User:Namiba 19:37, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * As the proposal of deletion is on the table now, I am supporting that too, even before the alt rename that I proposed earlier. A film setting around New Year is far more trivial than a film setting around Christmas. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:57, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * mmm... In several of them (such as Strange Days (film) and End of Days (film)), the time is a central plot point. As such I'd be against deletion. Mind you, both of those films and probably some others might better be classified as . Grutness... wha?   02:15, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Regarding End of Days (film), agree that the end of the 2nd millennium is a central theme. If multiple of those films exist they could be collected in a new category. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:36, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Alt Rename/Keep to Category:Films set around New Year per List of films set around New Year. However it's named, this seems like a defining trait. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:20, 9 January 2021 (UTC)


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Category:GVC Holdings
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:28, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:GVC Holdings to Category:Entain
 * Nominator's rationale: C2D. Passotrein (talk) 00:31, 5 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment, the company was renamed 9 December 2020. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:22, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename for Now The main article was boldly moved but, so far, it appears to be non-controversial. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:22, 9 January 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Sons of Confederate Veterans awards
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:27, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose Upmerging Category:Sons of Confederate Veterans awards to Category:Sons of Confederate Veterans
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT
 * No conceptual objection to an award by organization category but there is only one article here: Confederate Medal of Honor (Sons of Confederate Veterans). The Sons of Confederate Veterans article doesn't mention any other awards so I don't think there's any growth potential but no objection to recreating the category later if I'm wrong and it ever gets up to 5+ articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:08, 5 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Upmerge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:23, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Upmerge per nom; appears to be sound reasoning. -2pou (talk) 21:52, 13 January 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of the Lal Bahadur Shastri National Award‎
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:26, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Recipients of the Lal Bahadur Shastri National Award
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD)
 * The Lal Bahadur Shastri Institute of Management is a two-year business college in New Delhi that gives out a Lal Bahadur Shastri National Award to Indian businesspeople. Most of the winners don't have a Wikipedia article and, for those that do, the award is mentioned in passing with other honors because it's not defining. We have a Catch-22 where, when the award is defining enough for a category, they aren't notable enough for an article and, when they're notable enough for an article, the category is no longer defining. The contents are already listified here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:08, 5 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and WP:OCAWARD. ₛₒₘₑBₒdyₐₙyBₒdy₀₅ (talk) 15:31, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, another obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:23, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete more overcategorization by award.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:11, 6 January 2021 (UTC)


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