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Category:1890s Western (genre) comedy films

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting 1890s western (genre) comedy films
 * Nominator's rationale: This had only one entry (which was wrongly categorised) and is now empty. There were few if any films before the 1910s that could reasonably be categorised as a comedy western so I think it is best to delete this category. Any of the short western films from the 1890s or 1900s which contain elements of comedy can conveniently go to the main genre categories. No Great Shaker (talk) 14:29, 2 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Question @No Great Shaker: which article(s) did you remove from the category? -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 14:51, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . It was Carlos Ruiz peleando con un cochero, which is not a western. Thanks. No Great Shaker (talk) 14:54, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * @No Great Shaker: That article looks well-sourced. Have you checked the sources to see whether they support the assertion that the film is a proto-Western? You removed that assertion along with the category, but your edit summary just says not a western. What sources support your assertion that it's not?--  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 15:07, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The term "proto-Western" was used in the lead only and not explained in the narrative. It is false in any case because proto- means the original, the first from which all else follows. The Western originated in the USA and there were already Western genre films before 1897. In the narrative, two of the main sources concur that the action depicts real life in Caracas at the time. The plot as such could have been staged anywhere in the world where carriages and coaches were in use – London, Paris, wherever. Apart from anything else, the film is not mentioned in any of the major sources about the history of the genre. Works by people like Charles Musser, Kim Newman, David Lusted, William Everson – to name a few. If a "proto-Western" had been filmed in Venezuela in 1897, these guys and many others would know about it and would mention it. No Great Shaker (talk) 19:14, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, you have done due diligence and make a persuasive case. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 11:37, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello again, . No problem. Thanks very much. No Great Shaker (talk) 13:24, 3 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment As stated, this category has been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 01:09, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Given the era, and the paucity of films at that time, I don't see the intersection as being either of great merit or easily populatable. Hell, there are only four movies in overall. Grutness...  wha?   04:14, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * That's right, and the known maximum is twelve. It was not until the mid-1900s that production increased significantly. No point in having a sub-cat even if one of the twelve is a comedy, and none of them is. No Great Shaker (talk) 05:34, 3 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete It can always be re-created, if needed.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 09:03, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per WP:C1. The discussion above persuades me that the category was justifiably emptied. However, it should be deleted without prejudice to its re-cration if another article genuinely belongs here. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 11:39, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per WP:C1 as BrownHairedGirl says. Deleting categories that have been empty for seven days is standard procedure. Scorpions13256 (talk) 21:03, 8 July 2021 (UTC)


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Category:American people of Cambodian descent occupation

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 * The result of the discussion was: Upmerge both to Category:American people of Cambodian descent. - jc37 15:11, 1 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Propose merging Category:American sportspeople of Cambodian descent to Category:American people of Cambodian descent / Category:American sportspeople of Asian descent
 * Propose merging Category:American musicians of Cambodian descent to Category:American people of Cambodian descent / category:American musicians of Asian descent
 * Nominator's rationale: These WP:SMALLCATs are unlikely to significantly grow in the near future and contain only 1 or 2 articles. User:Namiba 14:28, 2 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:SMALLCAT as part of an established series. There may be  a case for deleting the series, but that's a separate discussion. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 14:53, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell, there are less than 50 sportspeople of X descent categories and there are even fewer musician categories. Moreover, similar categories have been deleted in the recent past. See this and this for examples. How exactly is this an established series?--User:Namiba 18:19, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * This category also clearly fails WP:EGRS. The Cambodian population in the US is relatively small and neither the musicians nor the sportspeople qualify as unique topics per EGRS.--User:Namiba 18:25, 2 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete unless someone can explain how Cambodian descent affects what they do. Rathfelder (talk) 10:55, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:American people of Cambodian descent only, strong oppose merge as nom to the Asian parent because continent-level descent categories should be container categories per this and this discussion, otherwise Asian would be used as a proxy for race. Ineligible intersection per WP:OCEGRS. Place Clichy (talk) 13:41, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Place Clichy, there is an entire article called Asian Americans in sports. No educated person thinks "Asian" is a race. It is a geographic distinction.--User:Namiba 15:07, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * While Asian Americans in sports does not provide a definition of Asian American, article Asian Americans suggests there still is a racial use of the term, since West Asian people may be excluded. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:04, 9 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Upmerge per Place Clinchy. We categorize by ethnicity, not race, and the continent wide categories are either by race and mix people from multiple races. Is someone born in Israel to Israeli parents and resident from age 5 in the US who is a naturalized citizen and a musician belonging in category;American musicians of Asian descent? If not, exactly on what grounds do you exclude them?John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:46, 27 July 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Newspapers published by Reach plc

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 * The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn by nominator. Just recategorising the 5 pages probably makes more sense. (non-admin closure) —  Berrely  • Talk∕Contribs 13:13, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Newspapers published by Reach plc to Category:Media published by Reach plc
 * Nominator's rationale: This also contains websites, so "media" would make more sense. — Berrely  • Talk∕Contribs 13:28, 2 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep as part of Category:Newspapers by newspaper company and Category:Newspapers published in the United Kingdom. Just move the website article up into appropriate parents. – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:55, 2 July 2021 (UTC)


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Category:People educated at St Peter's Catholic School

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename and disambiguate (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 11:29, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting people educated at st peter's catholic school
 * Nominator's rationale: Only contains a redirect, so this fact is unreferenced. The school in question was St Peter's Catholic School, Guildford; if not deleted, disambiguate (see St Peter's School). – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:29, 2 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep. Fayenatic, I did a quick Petscan search for biographical articles which link to "St Peter's Catholic School, Guildford". That returned six hits, of which five were just from a transcluded navbox ... but one was a biog which does assert that she attended the school: Flavia Cacace, which I have added to the category. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 12:53, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * OK then, so rename to Category:People educated at St Peter's Catholic School, Guildford and disambiguate (as a short version of Category:St. Peter's School alumni). – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:40, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Fayenatic.  I support the rename, and would support a C2D speedy. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 20:38, 2 July 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Works about Interpol

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 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:36, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Works about Interpol to Category:Interpol
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:30, 2 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Oppose. @Marcocapelle: It seems unlikely that the only articles we have on works about Interpol are those in Category:Films about Interpol. Given the popularity of crime fiction, I would expect there to be plenty of fiction about Interpol.  I did a quick search for articles with Interpol in their title, and found two articles to add to the category: the TV series Interpol Calling and Interpol Investigates. I assume that there are more articles about Interpol which don't include the agency's name in the title. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 12:36, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Withdrawn. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 10 July 2021 (UTC)


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Category:15th-century Flemish painters

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:20, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:15th-century Flemish painters to Category:Early Netherlandish painters
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, for Early Netherlandish painters it is trivial whether or not they came from the county of Flanders. A nice illustration is Simon Marmion who is in this category while he was actually French. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:25, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Support, there is no need for two categories.Mistico Dois (talk) 15:30, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge as above. Rathfelder (talk) 18:51, 2 July 2021 (UTC)


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Category:History of Buddhism texts

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 11:38, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:History of Buddhism texts to Category:Texts about the history of Buddhism
 * Nominator's rationale: To resolve an ambiguity. The category name can be interpreted as meaning the category is about the history of "Buddhism texts", when in reality it is about texts on the "history of Buddhism". The incorrect interpretation was suggested by the application of the parent category, which I have now removed. (The category was mistakenly speedily renamed to , but this has been reverted. See discussion on this issue here.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:41, 2 July 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Indian male philosophers

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:53, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Indian male philosophers to Category:Indian philosophers
 * Nominator's rationale: There is no tree for and per WP:EGRS this category would not be justified.  exists but that doesn't mean we need one for males. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:14, 2 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Support per nom but I think the category can be deleted rather than merged because (nearly) every article is also in another subcategory of Category:Indian philosophers. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:21, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. We would only use if philosophy were somehow segregated. The category for women should be kept because being a woman philosopher is much more defining. Scorpions13256 (talk) 21:10, 8 July 2021 (UTC)


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Category:League of American Wheelmen members

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:52, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:League of American Wheelmen members
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:TRIVIALCAT and WP:OVERLAPCAT)
 * You can join the organization now known as the "League of American Bicyclists" for $45 at this link. (It costs more if want a T-shirt though!) This category contains 2 articles both of whom were more than just members and were cycling advocates but that's why they're both already under Category:Cycling advocates. For now I linked the articles right here in the main article. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:01, 2 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete, just membership of an organization is hardly ever defining. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:22, 2 July 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Broadcast Music, Inc. composers and writers

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:50, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Broadcast Music, Inc. composers and writers
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NOT and WP:NONDEFINING (WP:TRIVIALCAT)
 * Broadcast Music, Inc. is an American organization that collects license fees on behalf of composers and writers who register with them and these articles generally mention registering with BMI in passing. I certainly can't argue WP:SMALLCAT here since, according to that main article, BMI represents 1.1 million artists and it is so ubiquitous there was a Supreme Court case over whether it was an illegal monopoly. BMI maintains a large searchable database right here which seems like a better platform than Wikipedia for this much data. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:01, 2 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 10 July 2021 (UTC)


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