Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 July 20



Category:Television series set in the 5th millennium

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 17:38, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Television series set in the 5th millennium to Category:Fiction set in the 5th millennium
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT, only article is Wayward Pines and I don't think there are any more TV series in the target category. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 23:43, 20 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom and SMALLCAT. --Just N. (talk) 15:24, 27 July 2021 (UTC)


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Category:10th millennium

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 17:41, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting 10th millennium
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT, contains only Clock of the Long Now and is highly unlikely to be expanded. I'm not sure where else in Category:Future that article should go, apart from Category:Long Now Foundation where it is already included. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 23:39, 20 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and SMALLCAT. --Just N. (talk) 15:28, 27 July 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Biographical films about Presidents of Brazil

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:38, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Biographical films about Presidents of Brazil to Category:Biographical films about presidents of Brazil
 * Propose renaming Category:Films about Presidents of the Philippines to Category:Films about presidents of the Philippines
 * Propose renaming Category:Books about Presidents of Russia to Category:Books about presidents of Russia
 * Propose renaming Category:19th-century Presidents of France to Category:19th-century presidents of France
 * Propose renaming Category:20th-century Presidents of France to Category:20th-century presidents of France
 * Propose renaming Category:21st-century Presidents of France to Category:21st-century presidents of France
 * Propose renaming Category:20th-century Presidents of Russia to Category:20th-century presidents of Russia
 * Propose renaming Category:21st-century Presidents of Russia to Category:21st-century presidents of Russia
 * Propose renaming Category:20th-century Presidents of Turkey to Category:20th-century presidents of Turkey
 * Propose renaming Category:21st-century Presidents of Turkey to Category:21st-century presidents of Turkey
 * Propose renaming Category:20th-century Presidents of Egypt to Category:20th-century presidents of Egypt
 * Propose renaming Category:21st-century Presidents of Egypt to Category:21st-century presidents of Egypt
 * Propose renaming Category:20th-century Presidents of Germany to Category:20th-century presidents of Germany
 * Propose renaming Category:21st-century Presidents of Germany to Category:21st-century presidents of Germany
 * Propose renaming Category:20th-century Presidents of Somaliland to Category:20th-century presidents of Somaliland
 * Propose renaming Category:21st-century Presidents of Somaliland to Category:21st-century presidents of Somaliland
 * Propose renaming Category:Spouses of the Presidents of Germany to Category:Spouses of presidents of Germany
 * Propose renaming Category:Lists relating to the Prime Ministers of India to Category:Lists relating to prime ministers of India
 * Propose renaming Category:Lists related to the Prime Ministers of Thailand to Category:Lists related to prime ministers of Thailand
 * Nominator's rationale: Conforms to MOS:JOBTITLES. Woko Sapien (talk) 17:29, 20 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Support - per nom. The earlier ones this week are as yet unopposed. Oculi (talk) 20:44, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: The last three should probably have the the dropped, e.g. Lists relating to prime ministers of India, though I rather question whether these are appropriate categorisations. As an aside, Lists related to the Prime Minister of India wouldn't be incorrect if it covered items such as Official residences of the Prime Minister of India, but that is not the case. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:51, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Good catch, the last three should have the dropped. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:12, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I've modified the proposal to remove the "the"s. --Woko Sapien (talk) 21:35, 23 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Support - per nom. --Just N. (talk) 15:31, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Support - per nom. --ExcellentWheatFarmer (talk) 22:16, 31 July 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Disney+ series ID same as Wikidata
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge the two and rename (note that both categories are empty while closing the discussion) (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 17:43, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Disney+ series ID same as Wikidata to Category:Disney+ movie ID same as Wikidata
 * Nominator's rationale: Merge and rename the category to Category:Disney+ ID same as Wikidata, while there are two different templates, having two different tracking categories for 1 wikidata property seems redundant with the low number of transclusions these templates have combined. Wikidata tracking category can be set to note the two different templates using the same category. Terasail [✉️] 16:45, 20 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 15:34, 27 July 2021 (UTC)


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Coptic emigrants
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:56, 18 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Upmerge Category:Coptic emigrants to the United States to Category:Egyptian emigrants to the United States and to Category:American people of Coptic descent
 * Added on relisting:
 * Propose deleting coptic emigrants
 * Propose deleting coptic emigrants to the united kingdom
 * Propose merging Category:Coptic emigrants to England to Category:Egyptian emigrants to England and Category:English people of Coptic descent
 * Propose merging Category:Coptic emigrants to Australia to Category:Egyptian emigrants to Australia and Category:Australian people of Coptic descent
 * Propose merging Category:Coptic emigrants to Canada to Category:Egyptian emigrants to Canada and Category:Canadian people of Coptic descent


 * Nominator rationale We categorize people by the country they emigrated from and where their destination was. We avoid sub-dividing such categories by ethnicity in most cases. There is no good reason to do so in this case.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:22, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Dual merge, also to Category:American people of Coptic descent. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:46, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge as nom. If these people are Egyptian Copts who migrated to the U.S. then they are not Americans of foreign descent - except if you consider every Copt to be of Coptic descent, which defeats the purpose of descent categories. Also note sibling categories,  and  which may be discussed as well. Place Clichy (talk) 17:17, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It seems to me that all people who belong to the Coptic Americans should be kept together in a category (even if "descent" is not a fully appropriate name). Marcocapelle (talk) 20:39, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

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 * Dual merge, also to Category:American people of Coptic descent. --Just N. (talk) 18:41, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:10, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Support all per above discussion. Note that this is my second vote. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:22, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge as nominated--User:Namiba 16:43, 29 July 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Lynching of Black men accused of assaulting White women
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. In case it may be useful, I have listed the current members at Talk:List of lynching victims in the United States. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:47, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting lynching of black men accused of assaulting white women
 * Nominator's rationale: It is generally non-defining as to why a person was lynched/murdered and also subjective in a number of cases. If kept, the category should at least be renamed as we do not categorize by race. User:Namiba 14:38, 20 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NARROWCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:26, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete for different reasons. This was the dominant rationale for lynching, and race/sex was central to the narrative. But including accusations in the category name (which by definition are extra-judicial killings not court findings) might unintentionally validate those racist claims. - RevelationDirect (talk) 17:36, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Either enlarge scope to or upmerge to . The reason is not necessary and causes other problems as RevalationDirect suggests. Grutness...  wha?   06:29, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The merge is not needed, the articles are already in Category:Lynching deaths in the United States by state. So the merge alternative would practically result in deletion. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:15, 21 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I would have said disperse to individual state categories, but gather that is unnecessary. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:19, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete This is way too narrow of a category. Especially since the very nature of lynchings often meant that it was less than clear in some cases what the victim was actually accused of, and we also at times deal with after the fact disputes of what the accused was accused of.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:42, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete The manner of death is defining, the cause of the killing seems irrelevant. Dimadick (talk) 21:24, 6 August 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Sadaka SC players
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 17:44, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Sadaka SC players to Category:Sadaka SC women's footballers
 * Nominator's rationale: To disambiguate from Category:Sadaka SC futsal players‎. Unsure whether "women's" or "women" should be used. <b style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:80%;color:#000080">Nehme</b><b style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:80%;color:#27B382">1499</b> 12:26, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 16:50, 21 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. GiantSnowman 16:51, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. --Just N. (talk) 15:38, 27 July 2021 (UTC)


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Category:German Army personnel of World War II
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep.  bibliomaniac  1  5  05:32, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:German Army personnel of World War II to Category:German Army (1935–1945) personnel
 * Nominator's rationale: Arent they the same thing? Or am I missing something? Rathfelder (talk) 09:27, 20 July 2021 (UTC)


 * It is not that straightforward because the nominated category is also part of a large Category:German military personnel of World War II. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:19, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * World War II was 1939-1945, so Category:German Army (1935–1945) personnel is arguably wider. It would be helpful if User:Lettler who created both at the same time could explain their reasoning. Oculi (talk) 01:07, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi. The purpose of Category:German Army (1935–1945) personnel was to serve as the main parent category for Category:German Army personnel of World War II, Category:German Army (1935–1945) soldiers and Category:German Army (1935–1945) officers. The two former categories are supposed to be separate; the first includes those who served in the German Army during the Nazi regime at some point, while the second includes those who specifically served in WW2. Lettlerhello • contribs 05:01, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * the question really is whether we have articles of soldiers or officers who served between 1935 and 1939 only. If there aren't any such articles, the 1935–1945 categories would be redundant and the WWII categories would suffice. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:28, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Such articles do exist; see Günther Rall, Heinrich Ehrler and Josef Priller. Lettlerhello • contribs 06:07, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * these aren't particularly good examples because all three participated in World War II. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:41, 23 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment -- Hitler came to power in 1931, not 1935. Suggest we have a target for Category:German military personnel of Third Reich, which can be divided in Luftwaffe, Kreigsmarine, Army and SS (which I think had a separate command structure).  Peterkingiron (talk) 21:38, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The reason for 1935 in the name of the target is that Hitler re-established the German army in 1935. I have no objection to renaming the target to Category:German military personnel of Third Reich but it does require a separate nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:35, 24 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Oppose If someone started in the army in 1935 and left before 1939 they would have not served in WWII, so these are not the same.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:01, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * It seems pretty unlikely that anyone is notable because they joined the army in 1935 and left before the war started. Rathfelder (talk) 16:22, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * They may be notable for other reasons. I would probably support deletion or manually merging of Category:German Army (1935–1945) personnel and subcategories as very overlapping with WWII categories but that would require a different nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:59, 31 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Oppose It is not unusual for someone to have left service or died before 1939. Dimadick (talk) 21:22, 6 August 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Cowboy culture
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 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:04, 20 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Nominator's rationale: Rename to title of category's main article as the cowboy is only one aspect of the whole culture or lifestyle which includes Native Americans, gunfighters, homesteaders, US Marshals, US Cavalry, wagon trains, railroads, etc. No Great Shaker (talk) 06:22, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Nomination withdrawn – please close. Actually this category is appropriate to the cowboy only; other aspects are or will be categorised elsewhere. No Great Shaker (talk) 07:00, 20 July 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Romanian people convicted of the international crime of aggression
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 17:49, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Romanian people convicted of the international crime of aggression to Category:People convicted of the international crime of aggression
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT, only 2 entries. Notably, the proposed merge target contains only a subcat layer by nationality. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 06:13, 20 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge for Now With no objection to recreating later if the article count grows. - RevelationDirect (talk) 18:04, 20 July 2021 (UTC)


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People acquitted of crimes
Relisted, see Categories for discussion/Log/2021 August 22%23People acquitted of crimes

Category:Elean colonies
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 July 28%23Category:Elean colonies

Category:Foreign films shot in Japan
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 July 28%23Category:Foreign films shot in Japan