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Category:Professional wrestling venues

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete - jc37 16:09, 1 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting professional wrestling venues
 * Propose deleting professional wrestling venues by country
 * Propose deleting professional wrestling venues in canada
 * Propose deleting professional wrestling venues in germany
 * Propose deleting professional wrestling venues in japan
 * Propose deleting professional wrestling venues in mexico
 * Propose deleting professional wrestling venues in the united kingdom
 * Propose deleting professional wrestling venues in the united states
 * Propose deleting professional wrestling venues in california
 * Propose deleting professional wrestling venues in florida
 * Propose deleting professional wrestling venues in illinois
 * Propose deleting professional wrestling venues in indiana
 * Propose deleting professional wrestling venues in louisiana
 * Propose deleting professional wrestling venues in new york (state)
 * Propose deleting professional wrestling venues in tennessee
 * Propose deleting professional wrestling venues in texas
 * Nominator's rationale: Request to delete and salt this category. Per WP:OCVENUE. few venues are defined for hosting professional wrestling. Salt because this was deleted in April 2006, February 2007 and 2015. User:Namiba 21:20, 8 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete, these are multi-purpose venues rather than specific wrestling venues. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:51, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 06:56, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep but prune non-defining entries. There are a number of venues which are defined for housing pro wrestling shows, such as Dallas Sportatorium, Impact Zone, The Chase Park Plaza Hotel, 2300 Arena, Tampa Sportatorium, WWE Performance Center, etc. The previous discussions linked above are old, consensus can change over time and we should take into account that arenas such as Daily's Place, Yuengling Center, Amway Center and Tropicana Field were repurposed as wrestling-exclusive venues during parts of the COVID era.LM2000 (talk) 08:41, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok, the examples are convincing, so I would not have an objection against repopulating the top category after deletion of all subcategories. Perhaps then rename the top category to Category:Venues dedicated to professional wrestling. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:11, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I am open to Marcocapelle's suggestion but it should not include arenas which have temporarily been used primarily for professional wrestling such as suggested by LM2000.--User:Namiba 14:23, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Agree with Namiba on the latter. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:21, 10 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete all per nom. Any indoor arena can host wrestling, and we have category:Indoor arenas to group them together. --Just N. (talk) 14:04, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete All These were all general purpose facilities which hosted many events, including Wrestling. Short periods during a pandemic when other events were cancelled, also seems non-defining. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:12, 17 July 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Lithuania at EuroBasket

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete - jc37 16:15, 1 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting lithuania at eurobasket 2011
 * Propose deleting lithuania at eurobasket 2013
 * Propose deleting lithuania at eurobasket 2015
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. These categories contains only the eponymously named article and 3/4 articles about rounds in which the team played. They are the only categories of their kind and the main articles are already in the appropriate subcategories. User:Namiba 21:04, 8 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment Identical function and content as the two siblings seen at Category:Lithuania at EuroBasket 2013 and Category:Lithuania at EuroBasket 2015. UW Dawgs (talk) 21:43, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for catching them. I have also nominated them for deletion.--User:Namiba 21:47, 8 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Upmerge into and respective EuroBasket year categories. Grutness...  wha?   05:21, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The articles about the topic, e.g. Lithuania at EuroBasket 2011, are already in that subcategory. The remain articles are about individual rounds in which the team played and should not be merged. This is why I advocated for deletion.--User:Namiba 14:21, 9 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep Perfectly legitimate categories. Nominator's rationale is absolute nonsense. Djln Djln (talk) 11:17, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * What policy reasons do you see for keeping them?--User:Namiba 14:21, 9 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per smallcat and nom. Renata•3 13:47, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:SMALLCAT, only the main article properly belongs in each of these categories, the other articles are not specifically about Lithuania. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:01, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:SMALLCAT and nom. --Just N. (talk) 14:05, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete These small cats are not aiding navigation. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:13, 17 July 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Venues by event

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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete all - jc37 16:19, 1 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting iihf world championship venues
 * Propose deleting basketball venues by competition
 * Propose merging Category:FIBA EuroBasket 2011 venues to Category:FIBA EuroBasket 2011
 * Propose merging Category:FIBA EuroBasket 2013 venues to Category:FIBA EuroBasket 2013
 * Propose merging Category:EuroBasket 2015 venues to Category:FIBA EuroBasket 2015
 * Propose merging Category:EuroBasket 2017 venues to Category:FIBA EuroBasket 2017
 * Propose merging Category:2014 FIBA Basketball World Cup venues to Category:2014 FIBA Basketball World Cup
 * Propose merging Category:2019 FIBA Basketball World Cup venues to Category:2019 FIBA Basketball World Cup
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCVENUE, "There is no encyclopedic value in categorizing locations by the events or event types that have been held there, such as arenas that have hosted specific sports events..." User:Namiba 20:54, 8 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete all - the suggested merges are still "categorizing locations by the events or event types that have been held there" but in a less satisfactory manner. Oculi (talk) 09:33, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, certainly do not merge per Oculi. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:13, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, certainly do not merge per Oculi & Marcocapelle. --Just N. (talk) 14:07, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, Don't Merge This is some hybrid of WP:PERFCAT and WP:OCVENUE. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:14, 17 July 2021 (UTC)


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Centuries in Naples

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge.  ✗  plicit  04:58, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:13th century in Naples to Category:13th century in the Kingdom of Naples
 * Propose merging Category:14th century in Naples to Category:14th century in the Kingdom of Naples
 * Propose merging Category:15th century in Naples to Category:15th century in the Kingdom of Naples
 * Propose merging Category:16th century in Naples to Category:16th century in the Kingdom of Naples
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, this early in history it is a redundant category layer, each of these categories contains only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:11, 8 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:24, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 14:07, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Support These are not about the city but the larger polity.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:05, 29 July 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Carniolan scientists

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge all to Category:Carniolan scientists.  bibliomaniac  1  5  00:45, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Carniolan chemists to Category:Carniolan scientists
 * Nominator's rationale: Only 1 article Rathfelder (talk) 22:46, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Carniolan biologists to Category:Carniolan scientists
 * Nominator's rationale: No actual articles, just sub categories with a total of 3 articles Rathfelder (talk) 22:46, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Carniolan zoologists to Category:Carniolan scientists
 * Nominator's rationale: only 2 articles Rathfelder (talk) 22:44, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Carniolan entomologists to Category:Carniolan scientists
 * Nominator's rationale: Only 1 article Rathfelder (talk) 22:44, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Carniolan mineralogists to Category:Slovenian mineralogists and Category:Carniolan scientists
 * Nominator's rationale: Only 1 article. Cant see why we want to castegorise mineralogists by ethnicity. Rathfelder (talk) 16:28, 8 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Support merging but the article should (also) be moved to Category:Austro-Hungarian scientists because Austria-Hungary was the country he lived in. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:44, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose upper idea of merging. Austro-Hungary was a big country/monarchy with many nations living on area that was known as Austro-Hungary. And thus term Austro-Hungarian is not really a nationality, it is like calling people from USSR Soviets or people from Yugoslavia Yugoslovans. --A09090091 (talk) 09:46, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * There is nothing wrong with Category:Soviet people or Category:Yugoslav people. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:31, 12 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Oppose merging. The category 'Carniolan scientists' should be an umbrella category containing only subcategories and not individual articles. The category 'Carniolan mineralogists' is expandable and the criterion is nationality rather than ethnicity. --TadejM my talk 17:51, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Carniola merely functioned as a province of Austria-Hungary, so I can't see how this can be framed as nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:22, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Carniolan was not a nationality. These categories are too small to preserve - and the articles will also need to be put into appropriate Austro-Hungarian, Yugoslav or Slovenian categories.Rathfelder (talk) 22:51, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * The Carniolan identity was quite strong (although Carniolans were partly German and partly Slovene by ethnicity), and there is considerable discussion of Carniola in reliable sources, so I don't see it only as a de iure administrative division, but as an important historical and cultural entity. For this reason I oppose merging these categories in 'Austro-Hungarian scientists'. It would lead to a loss of a defining and distinguishing characteristic for all these people: their regional identity. --TadejM my talk 17:59, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * So it is an ethnicity after all, and we do not have unrelated intersection categories of occupation and ethnicity per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:47, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Johann von Valvasor (Janez Vajkard Valvasor in Slovene) wrote a book about Carniola (The Glory of the Duchy of Carniola) and even today the book stands as one of biggest works of that era. So I oppose, as per TadejM.--A09090091 (talk) 09:51, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Not exactly; more like nation. The Germans and the Slovenes would be ethnicities. "An ethnic group or ethnicity is a grouping of people who identify with each other on the basis of shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups such as a common set of traditions, ancestry, language, history, society, culture, nation, religion or social treatment within their residing area." --TadejM my talk 15:53, 16 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment, meanwhile User:Rathfelder added several siblings to the nomination. My earlier comment about "the article" refers to the one article in Category:Carniolan mineralogists, then the only nominated category. Support merging/splitting them all. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:59, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Query Why does Category:Carniolan scientists only have Slovenia as a parent? Shouldn't Austria-Hungary also be a parent? Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:27, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Possibly, though the category may also contain people from modern Inner Carniola‎, Lower Carniola‎, Upper Carniola‎ or White Carniola. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:04, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * People associated with these areas would qualify as both Austro-Hungarian and Carniolian (or Slovenian) though, I therefore see no objection not to add Category:Carniolan scientists (or any other Carniolian category) to both Slovenian and Austro-Hungarian parents. Place Clichy (talk) 00:42, 17 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Support merging but the article should (also) be moved to Category:Austro-Hungarian scientists. --Just N. (talk) 14:10, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom, per WP:SMALLCAT. While objectors have argued that Carniolian should be retained as a specific ethnicity/nationality, this identity is retained by the merger to Category:Carniolan scientists. However, no reason was really given to keep small subcategories for every scientific specialty. Place Clichy (talk) 00:42, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the support regarding 'Carniolan'. The reason I have provided for retaining this specific subcategory is that the category 'Carniolan mineralogists' is expandable. There were several Carniolan mineralogists (e.g. Žiga Zois, Valentin Vodnik, Valentin Tratnik, etc.). Mineralogy was a major scientific discipline at the time and many scholars were interested in it. The category provides for unambiguous overview of Carniolan mineralogists among e.g. Slovenian or Austrian mineralogists, which is important since Carniola was a major administrative and cultural unit. In addition, if you take a look at Category:Mineralogists by nationality, you will see it is not the sole such category currently containing only one article so it makes no sense to make it an exception. If it is considered that none of these categories should contain less than a certain number of articles, all those that do not meet the criterion should be nominated. --TadejM my talk 11:10, 20 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Oppose No evidence has been given showing that A-this is not likely to grow B-that there has been an exhausive search to ensure we do not currently have any other articles that belong in this category that are not currently placed in it. 3-by nationality is a widely accepted exception to the small cat rules when the overall category has lots of components.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:07, 29 July 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Poachers

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 08:38, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Indian poachers to Category:Poachers, Category:Indian hunters
 * Propose deleting Category:Poachers by nationality
 * Nominator's rationale: There are not enough articles in to subdivide by nationality. If Category:Indian poachers is upmerged,  will still only contain seven articles. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:34, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Merge/Delete as nominated. I also wonder if the parent category should also be renamed to be limited convictions, but that beyond this nom. - RevelationDirect (talk) 15:17, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &#8213; Qwerfjkl talk  15:28, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge/Delete as nominated and per WP:SMALLCAT. --Just N. (talk) 14:13, 15 July 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Black Panther (Marvel Comics)

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 08:40, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Black Panther (Marvel Comics) to Category:Black Panther (character)
 * Nominator's rationale: Rename per the main target page already being moved from Black Panther (Marvel Comics) to Black Panther (character). Thus propose the same renaming for Category:Black Panther (Marvel Comics) images, Category:Black Panther (Marvel Comics) in other media, Category:Black Panther (Marvel Comics) characters (this one could be different, as "Category:Black Panther (character) characters" doesn't sit well), and Category:Black Panther (Marvel Comics) images. Trailblazer101 (talk) 02:58, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm commenting here as I recently reencountered an issue with comicbook related categories and is relevant here.
 * Our system for comic book categories is based on the primary page (like other categories), but it should be based on the . "Black Panther" is a character and as Trailblazer pointed out, Category:Black Panther (character) characters is bad, but as is Category:Black Panther (character) images when the images belong to characters who aren't the Black Panther or Category:Black Panther (character) in other media when the character might not even be in it (Black Panther: Wakanda Forever).
 * However, if the categories are based on the comic book title then these become much clearer. There could also be a category for images related to the comics, but there could be a category for images of a character (if needed).
 * The only reason I haven't nominated something like this is that I just don't know what the correct title the system should use, as each comic book related to a subject had usually more than one title. Should we just use the publisher for comic book categories (so always "Marvel Comics", "DC Comics", etc.)? Gonnym (talk) 09:41, 10 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Oppose The name of the category implies the content would be related to the character, which not all the articles within it and the other subcats are. Also, the subcats have not been tagged. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 16:05, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose The name of the category implies the content would be related to the character, which not all the articles within it and the other subcats are. --Just N. (talk) 14:15, 15 July 2021 (UTC)


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