Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 June 11



Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of Nickelodeon

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:22, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikipedia requested photographs of nickelodeon
 * Propose deleting nickelodeon articles needing cleanup
 * Propose deleting nickelodeon articles needing merge action
 * Propose deleting nickelodeon articles needing infoboxes
 * Propose deleting nickelodeon articles that need to differentiate between fact and fiction
 * Propose deleting nickelodeon articles needing attention
 * Propose deleting nickelodeon articles needing attention to accessibility
 * Propose deleting nickelodeon articles needing attention to coverage and accuracy
 * Propose deleting nickelodeon articles needing attention to grammar
 * Propose deleting nickelodeon articles with incomplete b-class checklists
 * Propose deleting nickelodeon articles needing attention to referencing and citation
 * Propose deleting nickelodeon articles needing attention to structure
 * Propose deleting nickelodeon articles needing attention to supporting materials
 * Propose deleting category
 * Nominator's rationale: The WikiProject Nickelodeon has been turned into a task force and does not use a standalone template. Any pages tagged with the required parameters will be placed in the general television category and these will be always empty. Gonnym (talk) 19:16, 11 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment Should nickelodeon articles by area needing attention also go? Certes (talk) 11:03, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I probably missed it while tagging. Adding it now. --Gonnym (talk) 11:06, 13 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of television programs

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:26, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of television programs to Category:Wikipedia requested images of television programs
 * Nominator's rationale: Same scope (same language in category description). Gonnym (talk) 19:13, 11 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Support as creator. — swpb T&#8201;•&#8201;go beyond&#8201;•&#8201;bad idea 13:47, 14 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Film posters by Michael Koelsch

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:29, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting film posters by michael koelsch
 * Nominator's rationale: Non-notable category - article on Michael Koelsch was recently deleted (Articles for deletion/Michael Koelsch) and this category exists simply to promote this non-notable illustrator. Categories for discussion/Log/2021 June 3 was recently deleted as well. Ganesha811 (talk) 18:16, 11 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Book covers by Michael Koelsch

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:30, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting book covers by michael koelsch
 * Nominator's rationale: Non-notable category - article on Michael Koelsch was recently deleted (Articles for deletion/Michael Koelsch) and this category exists simply to promote this non-notable illustrator. Categories for discussion/Log/2021 June 3 was recently deleted as well. Ganesha811 (talk) 18:16, 11 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Michael Koelsch

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:34, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting michael koelsch
 * Nominator's rationale: Non-notable category - article on Michael Koelsch was recently deleted (Articles for deletion/Michael Koelsch) and this category exists simply to promote this non-notable illustrator. Categories for discussion/Log/2021 June 3 was recently deleted as well. Ganesha811 (talk) 18:15, 11 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, at least until such time as there is a key article which passes noptability guidelines. Grutness... wha?   03:55, 12 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Kuwaiti people of Indian descent

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete, as I find that the arguments for this outcome are persuasive.  – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:53, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting kuwaiti people of indian descent
 * Nominator's rationale: Single entry. Delete per WP:SMALL. - The9Man  ( Talk ) 16:58, 11 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep -- We have many categories of this kind. There are a lot of Indian expatriates in the Gulf area.  It happens that the rest are apparently NN (since they have no article).  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:48, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. The only article in the category, Adline Castelino, is actually defined as Indian rather than Kuwaiti. Her claim to fame is having won Miss Diva, an Indian beauty pageant. Some sources call her Kuwait-born, which is quite different than Kuwaiti seen the very restrictive nationality laws in Kuwait and other Arab Gulf emirates, and it is extremely unlikely that she would hold Kuwaiti citizenship (unless proven otherwise by reliable sources). Per WP:NONDEF, she does not belong in this category, which would make the category empty. Place Clichy (talk) 09:56, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. We don't only use formal nationality/citizenship when putting people in these categories. She is Kuwaiti in that she was born in Kuwait. Part of a well-established categorisation tree. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:55, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Purge article, she moved to India at age 15, the connection with Kuwait is very weak. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:47, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Spending your first 15 years in a country is certainly not a "very weak" connection! It's most of your childhood, your formative years. Very many people have been categorised as coming from a particular country when they left it a lot younger than that. In fact, it's a standard pillar of biographical categorisation to categorise in which country (and which town) a person was born. No idea why she should be an exception. I get it that some editors don't like this, but picking on one category among hundreds of similar ones is just silly. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:28, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * There is nothing in her biography that relates to these so-called formative years, obviously apart from the bare fact that she lived in Kuwait at young age. She was Indian, with Indian parents who happened to live in Kuwait temporarily. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:23, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * is perfectly sufficient to reflect her connection to her city of birth. We should not invent this notion of Kuwaiti people of Indian descent because 1°) no reliable source would call her that, 2°) she is not Kuwaiti and 3°) she is not "of Indian descent" but fully Indian, except if you consider every Indian needs to be placed in a of Indian descent category, which would imho defeat the purpose of such categories. Place Clichy (talk) 02:13, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * People who were born in India are "Indian". People who were born in other countries of Indian parentage are "of Indian descent". It's very simple. It's a system we've been using for years. Again, why are we making an exception here? We wouldn't classify a person born in the UK or USA of Indian parentage as Indian, but "of Indian descent". So why should we do it here? What does "fully Indian" mean? Ethnically, yes, she's fully Indian. So are most people born in the UK and USA of Indian parentage. So what? -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:00, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Who is "we"? If a person born in the UK or US of Indian parentage, returns to Indian as a child, is widely referred to by all reliable sources as Indian (rather than, e.g. Indian-American) and, cherry on the cake, is known not to hold American/British citizenship, then that person would definitely be classified as Indian in regards to nationality categories rather than American/British of Indian descent. My understanding is that categories of Barian people of Fooian descent were created after CFD discussions for a number of reasons, such as endless discussions whether to put a dash or not in Irish-American, the will to have a clearer scope less open to personal interpretation and to make it clear that categories for people are kept separate. However these categories only have a meaning for people in diaspora, and this does not trump the basic principle that articles are still categorized by their defining characteristics only. When people clearly have connection to Foo country only and no connection to Bar, you cannot call them Barian people or of Fooian descent.
 * Also, in the case of the US and UK, both have nationality law largely based on jus soli, which means that it can be reasonably assumed that the mere fact of being born there qualifies someone as either American or British. That's clearly not the case with Kuwaiti nationality law, which, like other Arab Gulf emirates, has a very strict version of jus sanguinis. In the case of Castelino, she actually better subscribes to the definition of an Indian expatriate in Kuwait. Place Clichy (talk) 15:48, 16 June 2021 (UTC)


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Sectarian violence by country

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge and move articles as nominated. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:20, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Sectarian violence in Afghanistan to Category:Religiously motivated violence in Afghanistan
 * Propose merging Category:Sectarian violence in Iraq to Category:Religiously motivated violence in Iraq
 * Propose merging Category:Sectarian violence in Lebanon to Category:Religiously motivated violence in Lebanon
 * Propose merging Category:Sectarian violence in Pakistan to Category:Religiously motivated violence in Pakistan
 * Propose merging Category:Sectarian violence in Syria to Category:Religiously motivated violence in Syria
 * Propose manually adding articles of the above categories (but not the subcategory) to Category:Sectarian violence
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer, the categories are largely empty except for having Category:Shia–Sunni sectarian violence in Afghanistan etc. as a subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * merge per nom A reasonable proposal and helpful. Hmains (talk) 23:14, 20 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:American Council on Science and Health

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:23, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:American Council on Science and Health
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCASSOC)
 * The American Council on Science and Health is a pro-industry science advocacy organization and this category consists of that main article and 5 biographies. Found and president Elizabeth Whelan is absolutely defined by her association but the trail starts to run cold with the other 4 articles: Stephen Barrett was a scientific advisor at some point, Robert J. White has no connection mentioned on Wikipedia, Elissa P. Benedek was a director, while Norman Borlaug has no connection mentioned in Wikipedia. This seems like classic WP:OCASSOC. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:21, 11 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. If relevant, the articles may be interlinked directly. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:10, 11 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Members of the Athenaeum Club, London

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:24, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Members of the Athenaeum Club, London
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:TRIVIALCAT
 * Athenaeum Club, London is a gentlemen's club in London which has certainly had some prominent members including John Stuart Mill, Charles Dickens, and Charles Darwin. Tellingly, none of those articles even mention the association and nor do the other articles I clicked on so it doesn't seem remotely defining. We already have List of Athenaeum Club members for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:21, 11 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Background We previously deleted membership categories for other gentlemen's clubs right here, here, and here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:21, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, just membership of an organization is hardly ever defining. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:11, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. The list is enough. --Bduke (talk) 00:54, 12 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Presidential speechwriters

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Speechwriters for presidents of the United States. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:02, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Presidential speechwriters to Category:United States presidential speechwriters
 * Nominator's rationale: This category is being used for United States presidential speechwriters, not presidential speechwriters in general. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:43, 11 June 2021 (UTC)


 *  Alt Rename The main article is President of the United States, so Category:Speechwriters for presidents of the United States seems more straightforward. (If that doesn't reach consensus, then support the rename as proposed to remove ambiguity.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:04, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I chose the format I did because it is a subcategory of Category:United States presidential advisors. If we choose the alt proposal, I think it would need to be Category:Speechwriters for presidents of the United States per WP:JOBTITLES (even though this guideline isn't really honored in the tree in question). Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:30, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Anything that makes it clear which president is involved is an improvement. - RevelationDirect (talk) 18:48, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I'm fine with either option. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:37, 16 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Rename to incorporate United States in the category name. I would prefer Category:Speechwriters for presidents of the United States over Category:United States presidential speechwriters and, by the way, likewise I would prefer Category:Advisors of presidents of the United States over Category:United States presidential advisors. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:42, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Updated my suggestion to a lower case "p" in presidents. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:16, 20 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment (nom). On reflection, I agree that the alternate suggestion Category:Speechwriters for presidents of the United States is better. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:38, 21 June 2021 (UTC)


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