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Category:Buddhists by occupation

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:50, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Buddhists by occupation to Category:Buddhists
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer, it is a container category with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:34, 4 June 2021 (UTC)


 * There are 3 now. Category:Buddhist writers was under Category:Buddhist religious workers for some reason. Oculi (talk) 21:56, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok. I guess it was interpreted as writers about Buddhism. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:32, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It was a consequence of the relevant cfd 2014 November 28#Category:Buddhists by occupation. Oculi (talk) 09:24, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 16:16, 10 June 2021 (UTC)


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People by nationality and Chinese language descent

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:26, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

General discussion

 * Nominator's rationale: merge, these are all people of ethnic Han Chinese descent sorted by language of their ancestors. The latter has become rather irrelevant as these people are now nationals of another country.
 * I have created subsections per nationality. If someone thinks a certain nationality is a special case or an exception, comments can be left in that specific section.
 * This is follow-up on this earlier discussion and this earlier discussion, pinging contributors to earlier discussions. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:19, 4 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Upmerge all We should not be splitting Han ancestry by language.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:21, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Umperge All There are certainly ethno-linguistic groups but, in general, language doesn't survive in descent categories when ancestors typically start speaking the common local languages. - RevelationDirect (talk) 21:06, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Upmerge. From a sample I looked at, these categories seem to have been filled mostly according to the region of origin of these people or there ancestors, rather than by RS associating them personally with a distinct ethnicity. As these regions are often the regions of China from which has originated the largest share of Chinese diaspora in the Asia-Pacific region, these people are probably most often described as just Chinese or of Chinese ancestry where they live. These made-up differences therefore make no sense in the diaspora, even if they do within China. There could be local exceptions, e.g. if there is somewhere in diaspora a Hakka subculture that is clearly distinct from the rest of the local Chinese diaspora and if people put in the category are commonly and consistently defined by RS as Hakka rather than Chinese, but I didn't see any among the list. Place Clichy (talk) 14:15, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose most -- Hao is Chinese people from Vietnam. Many of the Cantonese will have come via Hong Kong.  Other overseas Chinese from Southeast Asia (e.g. Singapore) were specifically from Hokkien by descent; other Teochew.  Hakka are similarly distinct.  Certainly descent from overseas Chinese is quite different from descent from emigrants direct from PRC.  I do not know where the Chinese who built American Railroads and then settled in California were recruited, but I presume they represent a somewhat different group from more recent arrivals in  California.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:14, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Those are interesting historic facts, but it is not clear why we would categorize biographies by these historic facts. As said, it is no longer relevant for individual people living in a different country. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:57, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment' Maybe you're wrong. Contemporary Chinese people still honour descent, family ancestors and etnic affiliation groups. Read for example the novel The Chinese by Henning Mankell or see the movie made of it. Chinese are not just individuals with libertarian philosophy. --Just N. (talk) 16:27, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd happily withdraw if there would be well documented ethnicities based on Chinese language in any of these countries but so far I have not seen that. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

American people by Chinese language descent

 * Propose merging Category:American people of Cantonese descent to Category:American people of Chinese descent
 * Propose merging Category:American people of Hakka descent to Category:American people of Chinese descent
 * Propose merging Category:American politicians of Hakka descent to Category:American politicians of Chinese descent
 * Propose merging Category:American people of Hoa descent to Category:American people of Chinese descent
 * Propose merging Category:American people of Hoklo descent to Category:American people of Chinese descent
 * Propose merging Category:American people of Sichuanese descent to Category:American people of Chinese descent
 * Propose merging Category:American people of Taishan descent to Category:American people of Chinese descent
 * Propose merging Category:American people of Teochew descent to Category:American people of Chinese descent

Australian people by Chinese language descent

 * Propose merging Category:Australian people of Cantonese descent to Category:Australian people of Chinese descent
 * Propose merging Category:Australian people of Hakka descent to Category:Australian people of Chinese descent
 * Propose merging Category:Australian politicians of Hakka descent to Category:Australian politicians of Chinese descent
 * Propose merging Category:Australian people of Hoa descent to Category:Australian people of Chinese descent
 * Propose merging Category:Australian people of Taishan descent to Category:Australian people of Chinese descent
 * Propose merging Category:Australian people of Teochew descent to Category:Australian people of Chinese descent

Canadian people by Chinese language descent

 * Propose merging Category:Canadian people of Hakka descent to Category:Canadian people of Chinese descent
 * Propose merging Category:Canadian people of Hoa descent to Category:Canadian people of Chinese descent
 * Propose merging Category:Canadian people of Taishan descent to Category:Canadian people of Chinese descent
 * Propose merging Category:Canadian people of Teochew descent to Category:Canadian people of Chinese descent

Burmese people by Chinese language descent

 * Propose merging Category:Burmese people of Hakka descent to Category:Burmese people of Chinese descent
 * Propose merging Category:Burmese politicians of Hakka descent to Category:Burmese politicians of Chinese descent
 * Propose merging Category:Burmese people of Taishan descent to Category:Burmese people of Chinese descent

Cambodian people by Chinese language descent

 * Propose merging Category:Cambodian people of Hakka descent to Category:Cambodian people of Chinese descent
 * Propose merging Category:Cambodian politicians of Hakka descent to Category:Cambodian politicians of Chinese descent
 * Propose merging Category:Cambodian people of Hoa descent to Category:Cambodian people of Chinese descent
 * Propose merging Category:Cambodian people of Teochew descent to Category:Cambodian people of Chinese descent

Thai people by Chinese language descent

 * Propose merging Category:Thai people of Hakka descent to Category:Thai people of Chinese descent
 * Propose merging Category:Thai politicians of Hakka descent to Category:Thai politicians of Chinese descent
 * Propose merging Category:Thai people of Hokkien descent to Category:Thai politicians of Chinese descent
 * Propose merging Category:Thai people of Teochew descent to Category:Thai politicians of Chinese descent

Various people by Chinese language descent

 * Propose merging Category:French Polynesian people of Hakka descent to Category:French Polynesian people of Chinese descent
 * Propose merging Category:French Polynesian politicians of Hakka descent to Category:French Polynesian politicians of Chinese descent
 * Propose merging Category:Indonesian people of Hakka descent to Category:Indonesian people of Chinese descent
 * Propose merging Category:Indonesian politicians of Hakka descent to Category:Indonesian politicians of Chinese descent
 * Propose merging Category:Jamaican people of Hakka descent to Category:Jamaican people of Chinese descent
 * Propose merging Category:Japanese people of Sichuanese descent to Category:Japanese people of Chinese descent
 * Propose merging Category:Malaysian people of Taishan descent to Category:Malaysian people of Chinese descent
 * Propose merging Category:New Zealand people of Taishan descent to Category:New Zealand people of Chinese descent
 * Propose merging Category:Papua New Guinean people of Taishan descent to Category:Papua New Guinean people of Chinese descent


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Category:Spacecraft by launch system/*

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 * The result of the discussion was: procedural close, the discussion has meanwhile been relisted (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:25, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Please discuss at: Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_May_30, thanks. fgnievinski (talk) 19:17, 4 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:User pt-br

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:31, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:User pt-br to Category:User pt-BR
 * Nominator's rationale: The Babel extension uses "User pt-BR" when using the  syntax, so I suggest using that.  User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk)  17:46, 4 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 16:42, 10 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:User en-ca

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:30, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:User en-ca to Category:User en-CA
 * Propose merging Category:User en-gb to Category:User en-GB
 * Nominator's rationale: The Babel extension uses "User en-CA" and "User en-GB", so it makes sense to use that. User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk)  17:43, 4 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge although would be easier for gb to merge the other way, since GB has only 6 transclusions, whereas gb has 3,085 transclusions. So unless a bot is going to fix all 3,085 transclusions, then should keep the template actually being used. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:42, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * @Joseph2302 As I said, the Babel extension will always add the en-GB category when using, and since that is hard-coded unlike the entries in the en-gb category, I suggest merging into the first one. Also, even though a bot is often used/required for CfD tasks and thus changing 3K pages would hardly be a problem, I doubt that a lot of pages even add the category directly rather than through a template.  User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk)  14:34, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * As long as a bot goes and fixes the 3k of transclusions, I don't mind if it's merged as proposed then. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:34, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 16:32, 10 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Emilie Autumn

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:26, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting emilie autumn
 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary eponymous parent when all related content can be found in the "Works by" subcategory. WP:OCEPON. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 16:18, 4 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete, I agree; not much to fill it up besides the "Works by" subcategory. Myxomatosis57 (talk) 18:42, 4 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Chairmen of the National Council (Namibia)

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Chairmen of the National Council (Namibia) to Category:Chairpersons of the National Council (Namibia)
 * Nominator's rationale: To align with the main article of this cat, List of chairpersons of the National Council of Namibia. Incidentally, there is a woman in this category, too. Pgallert (talk) 14:51, 4 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Rename per WP:C2D and to be inclusive. - RevelationDirect (talk) 21:08, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename it's a WP:C2D for article title. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 13:48, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename it's a WP:C2D. --Just N. (talk) 16:34, 10 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:VIAF not on Wikidata
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:23, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting viaf not on wikidata
 * Propose deleting viaf different on wikidata
 * Nominator's rationale:


 * is superseded by, and fully contained in,, and
 * is superseded by, and fully contained in, (with the exception of Franziska Gottwald, explained below)
 * Wikidata items may contain multiple IDs for a certain property, such as multiple VIAF IDs. The "Pages using ..." cats are 'smart', and look at all available IDs for each property before deciding whether or not an ID on WP does or doesn't exist on WD. The "VIAF ..." cats are 'dumb', and only look at the first available ID, which is the reason for the Franziska Gottwald mismatch, since 12002124 is actually 's 2nd . Thus, Franziska Gottwald is incorrectly categorized under, and correctly omitted from .  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  12:57, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 16:36, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 23:51, 11 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Ala Vaikunthapurramuloo
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:34, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Ala Vaikunthapurramuloo to Category:Songs from Ala Vaikunthapurramuloo
 * Nominator's rationale: There is really no scheme of a single films having their own category; such categories are usually part of a film series or a broader franchise. This category should be renamed and repurposed under the scheme for Category:Songs written for films (and removing the film and soundtrack from the category). I'm not against deleting the category either. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 16:59, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 07:18, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per Smallcat. Unnnecessary! If there would have been any interwikis I'd possibly decided otherwise. --Just N. (talk) 16:28, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename This is really just a truth in advertising nom to describe the actual contents. - RevelationDirect (talk) 12:18, 6 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Amy Adams
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:39, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting amy adams
 * Nominator's rationale: With only two articles, an eponymous category for Amy Adams doesn't seem necessary here per WP:OCEPON. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 06:06, 4 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete not a justified article at this time. Expansion would most likely end up tagging articles where their connection to Amy Adams is not really defining.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:47, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per SMALLCAT. --Just N. (talk) 16:38, 10 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Films associated with the Beatles
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Category:Films associated with the Bee Gees
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 June 12%23Category:Films associated with the Bee Gees