Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 June 5



Category:Dvaita

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:06, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Dvaita to Category:Dualism in cosmology
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer, with only one subcategory and its eponymous article. It is not necessary to merge to Category:Spirituality as well, because the subcategory and article are more specifically parented already. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:39, 5 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge No conceptual objection to the category but it currently just adds a layer without aiding navigation. - RevelationDirect (talk) 12:14, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 19:06, 13 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Form

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:06, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting form
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, this is a container category with a hodgepodge of unrelated topics. At the very best we might keep Monism, Dualism and Holism together in a container category, but that container category would probably require a different name than Form. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:33, 5 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete The current category feels like a random assortment. No objection to more narrow philosophical cats. - RevelationDirect (talk) 12:16, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete A category of topics related to Theory of forms is encyclopedic, but lumping this with such things as Category:Musical form and Category:Structure is not. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 19:06, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 19:08, 13 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Roman gentes

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 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn, somewhat agree with the counter-rationale provided — Preceding unsigned comment added by Avilich (talk • contribs)
 * Propose renaming Category:Roman gentes to Category:Gentes
 * Nominator's rationale: Consistency with main article's name (WP:C2D, though not asking for a speedy move here), and not all gentes were Roman. Avilich (talk) 15:52, 5 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Oppose. The title it has is clear, concise, and intuitive.  Removing "Roman" fails to improve any of those qualities.  Not all of the gentes originated at Rome, but they were all part of Roman culture, Roman history, and all of the peoples who had gentes in the sense used here became Roman, i.e. Etruscans, Samnites.  Removing "Roman" could open up the category to the inclusion of entirely non-Roman topics that happen to be described using the word "gens".  There's no need to "ambiguate" the category merely because some gentes are described as "Etruscan" or of some origin elsewhere in Italy that was subsequently integrated into Roman culture.  P Aculeius (talk) 12:56, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Mosques by country and Islamic branch

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:04, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Mosques in Australia by Islamic branch to Category:Mosques in Australia
 * Propose merging Category:Mosques in India by Islamic branch to Category:Mosques in India
 * Propose merging Category:Mosques in Iraq by Islamic branch to Category:Mosques in Iraq
 * Propose merging Category:Mosques in Spain by Islamic branch to Category:Mosques in Spain
 * Propose merging Category:Mosques in the United Kingdom by Islamic branch to Category:Mosques in the United Kingdom
 * Propose merging Category:Mosques in the United States by Islamic branch to Category:Mosques in the United States
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, as a redundant category layer, these container categories are very lightly populated while their parent categories have limited size too. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:30, 5 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 19:10, 13 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Voice of India

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus to delete, but rename to Category:Voice of India writers. This is without prejudice to a new nomination for deletion since there was no consensus on that point. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:31, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting voice of india
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, a publishing company is not a defining characteristic of writers. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:47, 5 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Rename to a subcategory Category:Voice of India writers. This is not any old publishing house, but an ideological movement. The books published under its title would not have been published anywhere else. See the page on Voice of India, which has plenty of RS describing the phenomenon. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:56, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete/Rename if Kept Per WP:OVERLAPCAT Most of these people seem defined as Indigenous Aryanists, and less often as Hindu critics of Islam or Indian anti-communists, which is why we already have Category:Indigenous Aryanists, Category:Hindu critics of Islam, and Category:Indian anti-communists. Only N. S. Rajaram mentions the publisher in the lede. (Certainly rename if kept.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:47, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename to a subcategory Category:Voice of India writers per Kautilya3 . This is not any old publishing house! --Just N. (talk) 19:12, 13 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Christianity in Joseon

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 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:52, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting christianity in joseon
 * Propose deleting joseon christians
 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, only one article in the two categories. There is no need to merge, the article is already in Category:Korean Presbyterians and Category:19th-century Korean people. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:01, 5 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete for Now Only 1 article that is already under the Christianity and Joseon Dynast trees. No objection to recreating later though if it ever gets to 5+ articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:50, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * My threshold has been crossed. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:27, 12 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep The situation has changed. The Christians sub-cat now has 13 entries. There is no good reason to delete such a category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:45, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Withdraw nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:21, 8 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Chairmen of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 19:09, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Chairmen of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation to Category:Chairpersons of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation
 * Nominator's rationale: Women have served in this position, so I suggest using "chairpersons" instead of "chairmen". "Chairs" would be another option. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:44, 5 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. More accurate. - RevelationDirect (talk) 18:28, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Better solution indeed. --Just N. (talk) 19:14, 13 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Boris Stoyanov

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:55, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting boris stoyanov
 * Nominator's rationale: The content is just a duplication of Draft:Boris Stoyanov. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:00, 5 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete Looking for a speedy reason since this is an article in the category space. - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:32, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Article now duplicated and expanded at Boris Stoyanov (which isn't in the category). Certes (talk) 14:49, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per WP:CSD (Test page). -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 19:47, 9 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Silent feature films from Georgia (country)

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 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 18:58, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Silent feature films from Georgia (country) to Category:Silent films from Georgia (country)
 * Nominator's rationale: There is no overall scheme of separating silent feature films from silent non-feature films, nor are there enough articles about Georgian silent films to justify a subcategorization. I suggest upmerging. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:42, 5 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge until if and when such a scheme is viable internationally. Grutness... wha?   02:50, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment, there are currently 5 articles in the category, so could this perhaps become a viable scheme? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:59, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep I'd suppose it is viable and 5 articles beat the SMALLCAT rule. --Just N. (talk) 19:16, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The nomination is not wholly based on SMALLCAT; it's also based on the fact that the nominated category is part of no overall scheme of categorizing silent films in this way. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:16, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I take it back, it looks like there is a scheme, though it is unorganized (see below). Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:33, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Well, I don't mind if the merge is supposed to be unavoidable. So do it if you think you must. -- OTOH I'd sort silent documentary films as different from narrating feature films. And Category:Silent films from Georgia (country) IMHO momentaneous contains 7 articles if you don't see a subcat as only one entry. --Just N. (talk) 12:01, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Build Category:Silent feature films, as 20 other countries have a sub-cat for it. Then either keep or double merge this one; with 5 entries, I'd say keep. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:18, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment (nom). I am happy to withdraw this nomination in favour of creating the Category:Silent feature films scheme. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:52, 16 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Monuments associated with the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:52, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose Renaming Category:Monuments associated with the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki to Category:Monuments and memorials concerning the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:CATNAME and a loose reading of WP:C2C
 * These are not just associated with Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki but quite specific to those two events. Most, but not all, of the contents of Category:Monuments and memorials use "monuments and memorials". I'm less sure on the preposition: "of" and "to" didn't feel right since these really honor those impacted, not the bombings per se, which may explain the current name. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:22, 5 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. --Just N. (talk) 11:50, 15 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:ABC journalists associated with the Liberal Party of Australia
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:01, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:ABC journalists associated with the Liberal Party of Australia
 * Propose Deleting Category:ABC journalists associated with the Australian Labor Party
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:CATNAME and WP:C2C WP:TRIVIALCAT
 * These categories consists of either people who worked for the Australian Broadcasting Corporation as young people and became prominent politicians and those that were already prominent politicians and were later part of an ABC opinion show. Most these people seem defined as politicians with passing associations to the ABC. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:22, 5 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete as non-defining intersections. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:26, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-defining. Just like people in any other occupation, journalists have been known to run for political office and sometimes win, and former politicians sometimes appear on the news as pundits and commentators — but that does not make the intersection of "network they were associated with in their journalistic work" with "particular political party they were affiliated in their political careers" a notable or defining characteristic in and of itself. The only possible justification for this category would be to set up a POV assertion that there's some analytical significance to be found in the fact that one of these categories happens to be somewhat larger than the other — but such things aren't the category system's job to concern itself with. Bearcat (talk) 13:55, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep This is a category that serves the curiosity of users very well. Useful instead of trivial! --Just N. (talk) 19:21, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Neither serving the curiosity of users, nor useful, are a good criterion to keep, both are too subjective. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:36, 13 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep - a useful public interest categorisation. Observoz (talk) 04:48, 23 July 2021 (UTC)


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