Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 March 27



Category:People of Abkhazian descent

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:59, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting people of abkhazian descent‎
 * Propose deleting egyptian people of abkhazian descent‎ (5 P)
 * Propose deleting iranian people of abkhazian descent‎ (1 P)
 * Propose deleting people of the ottoman empire of abkhazian descent‎ (47 P)
 * Propose deleting russian people of abkhazian descent‎ (35 P)
 * Propose deleting syrian people of abkhazian descent‎ (2 P)
 * Propose deleting turkish people of abkhazian descent‎ (1 C, 20 P)
 * Propose deleting ukrainian people of abkhazian descent‎ (2 P)


 * Nominator's rationale: User:Carlossuarez46/Descent categories has been used an unofficial guideline for deletion of numerous categories. They should all go as the inclusion criteria is subjective. WP:TNTPrisencolin (talk) 22:02, 27 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Procedural oppose, it makes no sense nominating Category:People by ethnic or national descent with only the first subcategory of it. If you want to cut the entire tree you need to nominate them all. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:22, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * It's only my intention to nominate these few at this time.--Prisencolin (talk) 19:44, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * That is inconsistent with your rationale. "They should all go.". You do not offer a reason to single out Abkhazian descent. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:31, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * No one seems to offer those in the other discussions... in any case I have limited the discussion to Abkhazian... which from what I can tell is just a Russian client state and not really an ethno-state. (nationalists beware)--Prisencolin (talk) 22:03, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok I notice you have removed Category:People by ethnic or national descent from the nomination and provide a more specific rationale. Then I'll strike my procedural oppose. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:34, 29 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment The lc formatting has been fixed. You tagged the Category:People by ethnic or national descent, but not any of the categories here. Note that Abkhazians are also an ethnic group. I counted a total of 8 categories in this nomination, so the collapsible isn't needed either. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 14:25, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Procedural comment oppose, as LaundryPizza03 already mentioned none of the nominated categories have been tagged. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:52, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Absolutely nothing wrong with those categories. Abkhazians are a distinct ethnic group like any other. I fail to see the logic of this nomination.--Darwinek (talk) 00:42, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Nothing wrong with those categories. --Just N. (talk) 16:33, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose There are people for whom Abkhazian ancestry is significant and defining. This is not in any way an endorsement of all categorizations, and ones where it is not justified by sourcing can be removed on a case by case basis, but there is no reason to mass delete it.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:12, 6 April 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Law & Order (season 1) episodes

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 12:37, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Law & Order (season 1) episodes to Category:Law & Order episodes
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT with only two articles. There are no sibling categories for other seasons. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:27, 27 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:11, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 16:34, 3 April 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Brown priests

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 * The result of the discussion was: there was not a clear consensus to do anything, but in the meantime I will rename it to Category:Brown priests (Nazism) for clarity. This is not to be interpreted as meaning there was a consensus to keep the category under that name. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:32, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting brown priests
 * Nominator's rationale: Unexplained, and, as far as I can see, undocumented. It seems to be Roman Catholic priests who supported Hitler, but the phrase does not appear in Catholic bishops in Nazi Germany.  If I am wrong and it is kept it needs some explanation. Rathfelder (talk) 17:57, 27 March 2021 (UTC)


 * It seems to be a legitimate term in academic use, e.g. . It's probably worth documenting it in that article. If not kept, merge to parents Category:Christian fascists and Category:Nazi Germany and Catholicism.
 * For the record, the current members are Karl Eschweiler, Alois Hudal, Joseph Lortz, Franz Justus Rarkowski (all cited, although Lortz had a mixed record). For the initial members see . – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:19, 27 March 2021 (UTC)


 * It is open to misinterpretation. I think its better merged to the parents.  It's not as though there are many articles.  Rathfelder (talk) 20:56, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Suggest renaming to Category:Brown priests (Nazism) to avoid misinterpretation. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename per Marcocapelle. By the way, pope Pius made a reciprocal agreement with Nazi Germany to stay calm with each other. He was also sort of a 'brown' catholic' for hate/fear against socialists/communists. --Just N. (talk) 16:43, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete until someone can create a reliably sourced article Brown priests (Nazism), and then if recreated we need to use that term. The fact that one of the people here is is disputable if the label applies also causes me to question if this is a label that can actually be categorized by. I think a list in the parent article where we can discuss if the term does or does not apply is much better than a category ever could be.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:15, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
 * As they are not all bishops, I have listed the current contents in a different article, Catholic_Church_and_Nazi_Germany. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:59, 15 April 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Christianity and atheism

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:57, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Christianity and atheism to Category:Religion and atheism and Category:Christianity and society
 * Propose merging Category:Catholicism and atheism to Category:Religion and atheism and Category:Catholicism and society
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, only one article each. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:51, 27 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge. I concur in the proposed action given the small category sizes. --Bsherr (talk) 01:49, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 16:45, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge this two category tree has two articles that cover completely different things. We do not need categories for every overlap of ideas that exists somewhere in some form.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:20, 13 April 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Ceremonial Voodoo languages

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:55, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting ceremonial voodoo languages
 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, only two articles. Merging is not needed, both articles are already in Category:Ritual languages, the first article is already in Category:Haitian Vodou and the second article does not belong there. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:14, 27 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 16:46, 3 April 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Squatting in Kazakhstan

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Squatting by country. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:52, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Squatting in Kazakhstan to Category:Squatting by country
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:C2F, this nomination was at WP:CFDS but there was no consensus yet about the merge target. The alternative merge target is Category:Squatting. But there is logic in allowing "by foo" articles in "by foo" categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:10, 27 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Category:Squatting in Kazakhstan to Category:Squatting by country – C2F: Only article is Squatting in Kazakhstan. –LaundryPizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 12:34, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Category:Squatting in Vanuatu Mujinga (talk) 19:50, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
 * The merge should be to Category:Squatting, as Category:Squatting by country is a subcat scheme (container). Oculi (talk) 21:40, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * As the member page is Squatting in Kazakhstan, I find it more appropriate to process it as nominated, and to remove container from the target category. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:35, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Regarding the container issue, maybe better the other way around, delete Category:Squatting in Kazakhstan if it's actually a problem to have a category with only one current entry. Reason being I don't think it will have more entries soon (I'm the person populating these cats). I'd like to keep Category:Squatting by country as a containerised category all things considered, since it maintains order. Mujinga (talk) 10:58, 21 March 2021 (UTC)


 * pinging contributors to speedy discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:16, 27 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Squatting. Category:Squatting by country should not contain any top-level articles as it is a container category (subcat scheme). (C2F should be adjusted to cater for this possibility.) Oculi (talk) 19:00, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Squatting by country and remove the container template there. Other "by country" categories contain both sub-cats and lead articles, e.g. (picking one at random) Category:Liberalism by country has 59 country sub-cats and 51 lead articles by country. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:24, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * That doesn't mean it's a good idea. Eg Liberalism in the United Kingdom is in both as is Liberalism in Austria. Subcat schemes shouldn't have top level articles as one does not expect there to be any. Oculi (talk) 23:01, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * That example seems fine to me, and to fit the guideline WP:CATMAIN. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:02, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Squatting by country and remove the container template. An article about a topic in particular country logically belongs in the category for that topic "by country". --Bsherr (talk) 01:46, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Note that we can replace the template by diffuse. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:32, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
 * We could, but IMHO that would not be appropriate. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:07, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Squatting by country and remove the container template. I can't see/decide if possibly 'diffuse' would be suitable. --Just N. (talk) 16:50, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment this is getting a bit ridiculous now. As I've already suggested, why not simply delete the cat if it only has only item in it. Despite what was said above, Fayenatic london has broken the current categorisation system since Category:Squatting by country now has the both container template and individual items. That is unsatisfying. For me the previous system was working well and I'd welcome some informed help figuring out a new categorisation hierarchy since it's plainly sub-optimal to have Category:Squats full of random entries from around the world, seems to me like it's better to put squats from the now deleted categories into Category:Squatting in X categories instead. Mujinga (talk) 12:20, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * The reference to my "breaking the system" means my close of Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_March_17 and others below it. Sorry, I had forgotten that I had participated in this CFD, otherwise I might have recused mtself from that set. But I do not think I have done anything unusual. If anything it is the creation of these 1-page eponymous categories which is unusual. WP:C2F was added in order to provide a quick way to remove such categories, which do not assist navigation. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:17, 12 April 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of the Order of the Red Eagle
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:50, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Recipients of the Order of the Red Eagle
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Grand Crosses of the Order of the Red Eagle‎
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Recipients of the Order of the Red Eagle, 1st class‎
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Recipients of the Order of the Red Eagle, 2nd class
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Recipients of the Order of the Red Eagle, 3rd class‎
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD)
 * The Order of the Red Eagle served as a general purpose award from Prussia. The recipients generally fall into three categories:
 * 1 Foreign Leaders: King George V, Abbas II of Egypt, and General Vladimir Sukhomlinov are not remotely defined by this award.
 * 2 Prominent People from other German States: The articles for Charles Frederick, Grand Duke of Baden, Eduard Heis, and Albert Schulz often don't mention the award at all.
 * 3 Prussians: This group seemed the most likely to be defined by the award but articles like Paul von Hindenburg, Wilhelm Heinrich von Grolman and Gustav Cohn tend to just mention it in passing and are already well categorized.
 * I created a collapsible list with all the category contents right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:08, 27 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:18, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 16:51, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Unlike some others, this order does seem to be used to honour those who have actually achieved something. This seems to be part of a campaign (mostly by the same editors) to get rid of all categorisation by awards, which is clearly ridiculous. Who says they're "non-defining"? Some are; many aren't. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:15, 12 April 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of the Order of Roraima of Guyana
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:50, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Recipients of the Order of Roraima of Guyana
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OVERLAPCAT and WP:OCAWARD)
 * The Order of Roraima of Guyana is a general purpose award from Guyana that, in practice, is given to people who are already very prominent government officials. Of the 10 articles in this category, 4 are in Category:Guyanese politicians while 3 are in Category:Guyanese judges. (Edward Luckhoo is in both.) There are also 3 foreign government officials not remotely defined by the award: Mia Mottley and Freundel Stuart, both of Barbados, and Kim Jong-il of North Korea. The only person who is not a government official is poet Martin Carter, whose article mentions the award only in passing. There wasn't a list so I created one right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:08, 27 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:19, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 16:51, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Unlike some others, this order does seem to be used to honour those who have actually achieved something. This seems to be part of a campaign (mostly by the same editors) to get rid of all categorisation by awards, which is clearly ridiculous. Who says they're "non-defining"? Some are; many aren't. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:16, 12 April 2021 (UTC)


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