Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 May 20



Category:Group 4 silicides

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:12, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Group 4 silicides to Category:Transition metal silicides
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT: Only 2 articles, one of which is a heavier congener of the other. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 22:13, 20 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 15:48, 26 May 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedians in Luohu Foreign Languages School

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:10, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians in luohu foreign languages school
 * Nominator's rationale: Per Categories for discussion/User/Archive/Topical index (according to the article Luohu Foreign Languages School, It is both a high school and a junior middle school.) * Pppery * it has begun... 21:41, 20 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 15:55, 26 May 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Requested edits

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Wikipedia requested edits.  ✗  plicit  11:47, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Requested edits to Category:Wikipedia requested edits
 * Nominator's rationale: Maintenance categories should generally begin with "Wikipedia" - and all the other subcategories of Category:Wikipedia edit requests do so. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 04:44, 20 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. BD2412  T 04:55, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Support - sensible. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 11:09, 29 May 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Failed building proposals in the United States

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 08:20, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Failed building proposals in the United States to Category:Unbuilt buildings and structures in the United States
 * Nominator's rationale: The nominated category essentially overlaps with and duplicates the target category, which is for buildings and structures that were proposed but never built: see definitions in . Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:52, 20 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom, duplicate category. –LaundryPizza<b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 02:55, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 15:48, 26 May 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Organizations of Southern Africa
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Organisations related to Southern Africa (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 08:24, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Organizations of Southern Africa to Category:Organizations related to Southern Africa
 * Nominator's rationale: I'm unsure what would be the best thing to do with this category. It's clearly not acting as, as it's more narrow than that. I suggest renaming to parallel other regional organization categories like and .  Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:42, 20 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Support - per nom. (This is Southern Africa, as opposed to South Africa.) Oculi (talk) 09:22, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Alternative Rename to Category:Organisations related to Southern Africa with an "s" instead of a "z" per WP:ENGVAR and to match Category:Organisations based in South Africa, Category:Organisations based in Namibia, and Category:Organisations based in Zimbabwe. - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:04, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * It is the parent Category:Organizations based in Africa which should be followed (C2C). Eng var doesn't apply. (It is Category:Organizations based in Angola.) Oculi (talk) 14:26, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Alternative rename per RevelationDirect. Grutness... wha?   23:10, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment (nom). I am fine with the alt proposal of using the "s" instead of the "z": Category:Organisations related to Southern Africa. Either way, keep a redirect from the alternate spelling. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:35, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Organisations related to Southern Africa per nom and RevelationDirect. - htonl (talk) 17:53, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename with S-spelling as appropriate ENGVAR. This concerns international organisations covering the subcontinent, an area largely of British and Portuguese colonies (and no American ones).  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:57, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Alternative rename per RevelationDirect. --Just N. (talk) 15:53, 26 May 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Clergy by faith
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 08:37, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Clergy by faith to Category:Clergy by religion
 * Nominator's rationale: Why "by faith" instead of "by religion"? It is a subcategory of and it's the only category I can find for people that uses "by faith" instead of "by religion". Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:38, 20 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 18:32, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. --Just N. (talk) 15:52, 26 May 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Grand Army of the Republic members
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 * The result of the discussion was: purge of non-officials and rename to Category:Grand Army of the Republic officials. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:56, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Grand Army of the Republic members
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:TRIVIALCAT
 * I certainly can't claim WP:SMALLCAT here because, at its peak, the Grand Army of the Republic organization had over 4 0 0,000 members. The organization represented ex-solders who had fought for the Union side during the American Civil War so all of these biographies should already be somewhere under Category:Union military personnel. The G.A.R. was very prominent in Republican politics so this category contains multiple U.S. presidents but simply joining a membership organization is not defining and would create category clutter. (I copied the current category contents right here in case another editor wants to start a list article.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:21, 20 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Background We previously deleted another membership category for the equivalent Confederate veteran organization right here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:21, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Grand Army of the Republic personnel Category:Grand Army of the Republic officials  and reduce to contain articles on individuals who held an office in the organization, such as James D. Bell, George M. Brink, Ira M. Hedges, Daniel Lewis (physician), Horace Binney Sargent, Alfred E. Stacey, Anson S. Wood, and Levi E. Worden. Of the tens of thousands of members, only a fraction held such a post. BD2412  T 00:43, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * We already have Category:Grand Army of the Republic Commanders-in-Chief for national leaders like your first example, James D. Bell. My concern with the category you created is your second example, George M. Brink, a politician who was one of many local G.A.R. chapter "commanders" and was also nominally part of the Knights of Pythias, Free Masons, and Odd Fellows. - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:36, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Your concern as expressed in the nomination was the 40,000 members of the organization. Obviously, only a fraction of those will have Wikipedia articles, as many Union soldiers were not otherwise notable. There is certainly room for narrowing down the criteria for inclusion in such a category, but some of the people listed headed GAR divisions for their entire state, for which the individual chapter would itself likely be independently notable. BD2412  T 22:33, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I was about to correct you on the number but the typo was mine: it's over 400,000 members, not just 40,000. (We'll agree to disagree on the nom in any case!) - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:45, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Either way, the number of notable GAR members is a small fraction of the whole, and the number of notable GAR post commanders is a much smaller subset of that group. I'm sure we can reach some middle ground beyond saying that only leaders of the national organization should be categorized. BD2412  T 01:10, 21 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete, or rename and purge, just membership of an organization is hardly ever defining. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:26, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Support Marcocapelle -- If kept, the target should be limited to Category:Grand Army of the Republic officials. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:00, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I would also agree with this alternative. BD2412  T 04:41, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * If we go this direction "officials" might better describe volunteer leaders; I associate "personnel" with paid staff. - RevelationDirect (talk) 11:23, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with this as well. BD2412  T 04:52, 30 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete, or rename and purge per Marco. --Just N. (talk) 15:58, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete membership in this organization is not defining enough to categorize by.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:11, 2 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Members of Tots and Quots
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (list is in the article). Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:08, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Members of Tots and Quots
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:TRIVIALCAT
 * Tots and Quots was a private supper club in London during the 1930s and 1940s. The 4 articles in this category are evenly split between those that mention the membership in passing and those that don't mention the organization at all so it doesn't seem generally defining. I listified the current category contents right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:21, 20 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Background We previously deleted a member category for another London private club right here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:21, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Listify, possibly as a section in the Tots and Quots article. Grutness... wha?   03:45, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, membership of an organization is hardly ever defining. Listification has already taken place. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:27, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete/Listify per nom. --Just N. (talk) 15:56, 26 May 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Four Holy Cities
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge and move page.  please note that the older history should be retained, not deleted. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:55, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Four Holy Cities to Category:Holy cities of Judaism
 * Nominator's rationale: These are the same thing. Four Holy Cities redirects to Holy cities of Judaism. (They are each populated with the four cities, so the nominated category can just be deleted. The nominated category is older and has more edits, so its edit history should probably be retained.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:20, 20 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Support - delete Category:Holy cities of Judaism, then move Category:Four Holy Cities per WP:C2D. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 05:03, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 *  Just delete the subject. All the content is already in the target.  The target is clearer, as some other religion might also have four.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:03, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per Peterkingiron. --Just N. (talk) 15:57, 26 May 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Buffyverse witches
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Fictional witches. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:06, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting buffyverse witches
 * Nominator's rationale: Very narrow category with no room for expansion. JDDJS  ( talk to me  •  see what I've done ) 00:06, 20 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Fictional witches: WP:SMALLCAT, all articles already in Category:Buffyverse characters who use magic. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 21:53, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Fictional witches per WP:SMALLCAT. --Just N. (talk) 15:50, 26 May 2021 (UTC)


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