Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 May 22



Category:Mythological cosmologies

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:07, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Mythological cosmologies to Category:Religious cosmologies
 * Nominator's rationale: Not distinct enough, as evidenced by their contents and especially their subcategories. Main article is titled Religious cosmology. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 22:25, 22 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Speedy Rename WP:C2D, consistency with main article's name. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:48, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge, I don't see any articles or subcategories that should be specifically held apart as non-religious. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:19, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose Although I'm not very interested in this area of studies and for that reason could live with any outcome, I have to uphold academic/intellectual honesty and make you aware of thousands of academic books on metaphysical or other speculative matters which are not about religion but about mythological cosmologies. A lot of them are even famous like Rousseau's Contrat social or Gargantua and Pantagruel or Sigmund Freud's Totem and Taboo, just to name a few examples. Wikipedia seems to attract much more engineers and jobless scientists than academics of the humanities, so most of those historical mythological cosmologies haven't got a proper categorical embedding in Category:Mythological cosmologies. But they are nevertheless still there. Religion is only a small part of the human history of mind, much overestimated. --Just N. (talk) 05:08, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
 * The social contract is a philosophy book, Totem and Taboo is an anthropology book, neither are meant to contain myths. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:38, 30 May 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Burials at Hollywood Forever Cemetery

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus on the keep/delete alternative. There was no discussion of the proposal to rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:10, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming burials at hollywood forever cemetery
 * Nominator's rationale: I’m using the above category as an example for my proposal that all “Burials at” categories be renamed to “Interments at”. My reasoning being that not every interment in a cemetery is a burial. Many could be cremated and stored into a wall niche or an above ground crypt, thus not falling into being “buried”. Of course I could just be over semantic about it, I just feel it’s more accurate to call it “Interments at”. Rusted AutoParts  17:31, 22 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete/Listify As long as we're sending up test balloons, burial locations are generally not defining and Wikipedia is WP:NOT "Find a Grave". While burials at national cemetaries like Heroes' Acre (Namibia) or Kremlin Wall Necropolis might be defining, most cemeteries are not and this reflects a bias toward using obituaries as sources. Sure, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS but this category is not defining to, say, Dee Dee Ramone or Bugsy Siegel and we already have List of interments at Hollywood Forever Cemetery. - RevelationDirect (talk) 17:54, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * This isn't a deletion discussion, it's one in regards to renaming. Rusted AutoParts  23:50, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm suggesting a different CFD outcome than the one originally proposed (but I'm neutral on the naming if kept). - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:05, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * But this was to broach whether the categories should be renamed. Whether they should be deleted should be it’s own discussion as opposed to being thrust onto this one. Rusted AutoParts  05:36, 24 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per RevelationDirect. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:24, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete For the vast majority of individuals in the category, it is WP:NONDEF.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 08:36, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment -- This is an established tree, but one whose merit I am not convinced of (except national cememteries). I do not think there is a difference between burial and interment, or at least no meaningful one, between the burial of a body and of ashes; or between burial in the ground or a crypt.  The point is the location not the method.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:39, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep since this is now suddenly a discussion about whether it should be deleted or not (which isn't what I opened the discussion about), I guess I should file my Keep vote in. Hollywood Forever is a very notable cemetery with notable inhabitants. It would have the same merits as Heroes' Acre (Namibia) or Kremlin Wall Necropolis.  Rusted AutoParts  00:39, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep To my astonishment Category:Burials in the United States by cemetery comprehends ~300 American cemeteries. And I'd estimate that this L.A. one is worthy to be one more of them as there are lots of actors/celebrities located. --Just N. (talk) 16:03, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Procedural Note Tagged category as of this timestamp. - RevelationDirect (talk) 14:12, 6 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:All Linux Distributions

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:00, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting all linux distributions
 * Nominator's rationale: Duplicates Category:Linux distributions. Guy Macon (talk) 16:20, 22 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete - this seems to have been a good-intentioned attempt to fix structural issues with the mess of sub-cats at Category:Linux distributions, but the addition of yet another sub-cat as made the problem much worse, not better. I agree that Category:Linux distributions is a mess and almost impossible to find anything within, but this is not the solution. It would be better to delete this new cat and just add all articles about Linux distributions directly to Category:Linux distributions making it a monolithic category and then eliminate all the sub-cats of that. - Ahunt (talk) 17:03, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per Ahunt. This category duplicates another category and creates more issues rather than solves any. - Aoidh (talk) 02:28, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator. --Just N. (talk) 16:05, 29 May 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Independent Linux distributions

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:12, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting independent linux distributions
 * Nominator's rationale: Duplicates Category:Linux distributions. Every Linux distribution is independent. Guy Macon (talk) 16:20, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: created at the same time and by the same person as Category:All Linux Distributions listed above. --Guy Macon (talk) 02:44, 23 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete - if we are going to fix the structural issues in Category:Linux distributions by removing all the sub-cats and making it a monolithic category as described above, then this one can be deleted now. - Ahunt (talk) 13:39, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * What would be the point of removing the subcats? What should become the alternative parent category of the subcats if you would remove it? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:07, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Which "alternative parent category of the subcats" is that? - Ahunt (talk) 15:47, 24 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep This category is the counterpart to Category:Enterprise Linux distributions, so it is defining and we need it. That's very different to All Linuc distributions above. --Just N. (talk) 16:15, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Except for one thing. Enterprise and non-enterprise Linux distributions actually exist. There is no such thing as a Linux distribution that is not independent. Therefor this category has exactly the same entries as Category:All Linux Distributions, which in turn has exactly the same entries Category:Linux distributions. --Guy Macon (talk) 06:04, 30 May 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Articles using template 'Track gauge' with unrecognized input
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Category:Children of Charles, Prince of Wales

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:45, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting children of charles, prince of wales
 * Nominator's rationale: SMALLCAT ★Trekker (talk) 13:43, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete very small category, unlikely to expand at this stage. PatGallacher (talk) 14:54, 22 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. What a trivial matter! --Just N. (talk) 16:18, 29 May 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Belgian people (before 1830)

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:13, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting belgian people (before 1830)
 * Nominator's rationale: Belgium didnt exist before 1830. Is this a sensible categorisation? Rathfelder (talk) 11:24, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Exactly because Belgium didn't exist before 1830, this is a sensible distinction within the category:Belgian people. In the Dutch Wikipedia it's called nl:Categorie:Zuid-Nederlands persoon (voor 1830) (people of the Southern Netherlands). In French it is fr:catégorie:Personnalité belge (avant 1830). Before 1830 the territory of the (Southern) Netherlands sometimes was called 'pays belgiques' (Belgian lands, in French) or 'Belgica/Belgium' (in Latin). There was no unique name for this people (Flemish, Dutch, Austrian Netherlandish, Belgian).  - Karel Anthonissen (talk) 11:55, 22 May 2021 (UTC)


 * We do now have Category:People of the Austrian Netherlands, Category:People of the Burgundian Netherlands, Category:People of the Habsburg Netherlands and Category:People of the Spanish Netherlands. This could be a parent for all of them.  Rathfelder (talk) 17:06, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Alt rename to Category:People of the Southern Netherlands as the more usual contemporary name, and populate per Rathfelder. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:37, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I am happy with that. Rathfelder (talk) 16:35, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Belgian people. I am not convinced by the apparent anachronism. People from Bruges or Brussels etc. belong in the history of Belgium whatever the century they lived in, as does the Manneken Pis. I am actually more concerned by the retroactive used of the term Flemish which seems much harder to precisely define and subject to POV, nationalism and protochronism. As second best option, also support Category:People of the Southern Netherlands with the issue that it would not extend before the mid-16th century. Place Clichy (talk) 09:40, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Flemish is clearly both ambiguous and contested, which is a problem for categorisation. Rathfelder (talk) 19:59, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with . As I've pointed out in a number of these discussions already, the Oxford English Dictionary says: "The name Belgium and related words appear from the 16th cent. in several European languages, including English, as a name for the southern regions of the Low Countries, both historical and contemporary, often in contrast with Batavia". So the word was in use before there was an independent Belgian state, and it is accepted English usage to apply it to the southern regions of the Low Countries, both historical and contemporary. When it comes to English lexis, you can't get much more reliable a source than the OED. --Andreas Philopater (talk) 14:36, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Belgian people per Place Clichy and Andreas Philopater. Certainly not Category:People of the Southern Netherlands which is mostly confusing for all non-insiders or -historians. We owe clear, non-confusing mapping to Wikipdia users in general. We do not prefer insiders and history specialists! --Just N. (talk) 06:12, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete and do not merge. We should limit nationality categories to people who were nationals of a given nation, and pre-1830 there was no Belgium.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:18, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
 * According to this statement, Goethe was not German, and Dante was not Italian. Place Clichy (talk) 11:24, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Category:People from Bruges etc are still in Category:People by populated place in Belgium, even if they lived in the 13th century. This only affects categorisation by century.  Rathfelder (talk) 17:48, 12 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Disney Renaissance franchise

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:48, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting disney renaissance franchise
 * Nominator's rationale: Unneeded category. All entries and all category tags are already present in Category:Disney Renaissance (or at each specific franchise category), and I don't see any need to split that category up. Gonnym (talk) 10:46, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 09:12, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete This period doesn't seem defining when clicking through the articles; everything is already well categorized. - RevelationDirect (talk) 17:45, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 06:14, 30 May 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Operation Homefront

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:52, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Operation Homefront
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT
 * Operation Homefront is an American veteran organization. An organizational category is fine and so is a subcategory for the national heads of that organization but the only 2 articles here are Operation Homefront and CEO John I. Pray with little growth potential. Those articles are both crosslinked and well categorized so no merge is needed. No objection to recreating (or creating a CEO subcat) if either ever get up to 5+ articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:01, 22 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete – Small with no potential for growth. <span style="font-family:Futura,'Century Gothic',AppleGothic,serif;font-size:83%;"><b style="color:#00c6ff;">Senator2029</b> <b style="color:#00c6ff;">❮talk❯</b> 18:14, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 06:14, 30 May 2021 (UTC)


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Category:International Game Developers Association members
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:17, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:International Game Developers Association members
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCASSOC and WP:TRIVIALCAT
 * International Game Developers Association is a membership based organization you can join right here with a credit card: $60/yr for standard individual membership or $30/yr for students. This category contains companies not people though and, while the IGDA website does list corporate "affiliates", that official list doesn't match this category so I'm not sure if we're categorizing by former members or there is some other IGDA relationship involved. Whatever this association is or was, it doesn't seem defining in the articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:01, 22 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Convincing facts -> no merit in buying membership ->no category deserved! --Just N. (talk) 16:21, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, just membership of an organization is hardly ever defining. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:54, 30 May 2021 (UTC)


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