Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 May 26



Category:Central intelligence agency associate deputy directors of operations for counterintelligence

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete and merge contents to Category:People of the Central Intelligence Agency. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:37, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Central intelligence agency associate deputy directors of operations for counterintelligence
 * Nominator's rationale: unnecessary and has wrong capitalization — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heroeswithmetaphors (talk • contribs) 23:04, 26 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Format I took the liberty of reformatting your nomination and tagging the category. Check out WP:CFD for next time! - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:48, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:People of the Central Intelligence Agency per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:49, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per Marcocapelle. The present catregory is much too specific.  Peterkingiron (talk) 12:59, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:People of the Central Intelligence Agency per Marco and WP:SMALLCAT. It's a pity that there are no more than just two articles. --Just N. (talk) 15:44, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete both articles are already in more relevant to notability categories that adequately cover their nvolvement with national security functions. No merger is needed.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:03, 2 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Lists of association football stadiums in Canada

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:35, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Lists of association football stadiums in Canada to Category:Lists of soccer stadiums in Canada
 * Nominator's rationale: Similar rationale as here. See also Category:Soccer in Canada. DB1729 (talk) 16:14, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 21:09, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Support per nom, in Canada we use 'soccer'. GiantSnowman 21:10, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Canadian language as cultural identity. --Just N. (talk) 15:47, 1 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Association football in Canada lists

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:35, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Association football in Canada lists to Category:Soccer in Canada lists
 * Nominator's rationale: Similar rationale as here. See also Category:Soccer in Canada. DB1729 (talk) 16:14, 26 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Rename per Category:Soccer in Canada, Soccer in Canada. Oculi (talk) 20:50, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 21:09, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Support per nom, in Canada we use 'soccer'. GiantSnowman 21:10, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. --Just N. (talk) 15:48, 1 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Record labels owned by women
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Category:RobTop Games

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:33, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting robtop games
 * Nominator's rationale: not necessary; only has one article and probably won't have any others IlSoupylI (talk) 15:03, 26 May 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Flemish theologians

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 * The result of the discussion was: disperse contents and delete. One sub-category was omitted, so I have made a procedural nomination at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_June_16. – Fayenatic  L ondon 06:36, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting flemish theologians
 * Propose deleting flemish roman catholic theologians
 * Propose deleting flemish christian theologians


 * Theologians are categorised by nationality and denomination, not by ethnicity or language. These articles are all about people who were dead long before Belgium existed. They need to be dispersed to appropriate earlier categories.    Rathfelder (talk) 12:32, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Disperse per nom to - for example - Category:16th-century theologians, Category:People from the county of Flanders and Category:People of the Spanish Netherlands. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:55, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete this intersection of ethnicity and occupation does not follow ERGS rules.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:04, 2 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:People from Sarepta, Louisiana

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:32, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Sarepta, Louisiana to Category:People from Webster Parish, Louisiana
 * Nominator's rationale: Small one county community with just one entry. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 01:00, 26 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge. I couldn't find any more. Grutness... wha?   03:19, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom and Smallcat. Thank you Grutness for trying. --Just N. (talk) 16:09, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge no reason to have this one article entry. Especially when the target will only have 8 direct entries after the merger.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:05, 2 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Church Lads' and Church Girls' Brigade members

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:32, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting/Listifying Category:Church Lads' and Church Girls' Brigade members
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:TRIVIALCAT)
 * The Church Lads' and Church Girls' Brigade is an Anglican Church youth group formed in 1978 with the merger of some predecessor organizations. None of the 3 articles in this category are defined by mere membership: Francis Grenfell was the head of a predecessor organization, Lawrence of Arabia was a member at his local parish church, while the Noel Mellish article makes no mention of it. WP:SMALLCAT is not an issue here though because, even I couldn't find membership numbers, participation is widespread. The problem is that being dropped off by your parents for a meeting just isn't defining. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:25, 26 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete, just membership of an organization is hardly ever defining. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:40, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete membership in a church youh organization is not defining. We do not even have say Category:Boy Scouts of America members although I think we have Category:Eagle Scouts since that is at least a little defining. At least there we did not have as direct an issue that membership was defined as active participants in a given religion. In the US virtually all male youth members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints were boy scouts until then end of 2019 (at least for those 8-13 inclusive), but the majority of members were affilited through other ways (and some of the scouts in troops sponsored by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints were not members of the Church). Many of the people the Church enrolled did absolutely no scouting activity at all (the Church not the individuals paid membership dues), and even those who did some scouting some did very little. Even with Eagle Scouts the connection to scouting is at times very minor in their overall biography, but reaching that rank does represent multiple years of deep engagement with the organization so it is in all cases defining to the individual and so is probably justified.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:12, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Hmm, we have the article Eagle Scouts. Let me look around.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:13, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
 * so we do not seem to have any category for those who were Eagle Scouts. It is mentioned in some articles, such as the one on Howard W. Hunter. Also Dallin H. Oaks. The later person is in 22 categories, so I really do not think even the Eagle Scout category would be justified. We do have Category:Recipients of the Bronze Wolf Award and we have Category:People associated with Scouting. Hmm, we also have Category:People associated with the Boy Scouts of America. I see Marvin J. Ashton is in the category. I have to say my main take away after reading the biography we have of Ashton is that it has too little information. It does have a section on his connections with scouting. On the other hand I just removed David Archuleta from the category, because the article said nothing about him being a Boy Scout. I am 100% sure he was enrolled as a boy scout, every Latter-day Saint male youth in the US his age was, with rare exceptions like those in my inner city Detroit branch of the church. I would not be surprised if he went on multiple campouts and even made some rank advancesments, but it is not enough to be defining. I am not sure we need the category at all.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:27, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The Eagle Scouts category was deleted by consensus in this discussion. - RevelationDirect (talk) 17:58, 2 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Muslim Students' Association members

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:30, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Muslim Students' Association members
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING, WP:BLP and WP:FRINGE
 * Reema Dodin is a high ranking Palestinian American White House official and that's the only article in this category. Her inclusion is based on a citation from the conservative Jewish Press which in turn cites from the conspiracy/fringe WorldNetDaily claiming she is compromised by the Muslim Brotherhood.  (Ms. Dodin was indeed in the Muslim Students' Association and, while the early MSA was affiliated with the Brotherhood, the groups were no longer associated when she joined decades later.) The creator of this category has a history of potential WP:BLP violations so the whole point here may be the parent category, which falsely places this person under Category:Muslim Brotherhood members. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:25, 26 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete, just membership of an organization is hardly ever defining. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:41, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. In the current state, an WP:ATTACK category. Place Clichy (talk) 14:48, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete -- whether true or not, it is TRIVIAL. Peterkingiron (talk) 13:01, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Surprised about Place Clichy|'s remark on being a possible WP:ATTACK category. Truly? Examples? --Just N. (talk) 16:14, 1 June 2021 (UTC)


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