Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 May 27



Category:National Basketball Association Conference standings templates

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:54, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:National Basketball Association Conference standings templates to Category:National Basketball Association standings templates by conference
 * Nominator's rationale: Would be better suited category name going forward. Also matches newly created Category:National Basketball Association standings templates by division. –Piranha249 (Discuss with me) 23:31, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Support since the name would be more suitable for that. The remaining templates in the category should be moved to two new categories. – Sabbatino (talk) 17:35, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:National Basketball Association standings templates, redundant category layer, both the nominated category and the parent category are very lightly populated. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:48, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per Marco. I don't expect these maintenance templates grow more. --Just N. (talk) 16:10, 3 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Latter Day Saint doctrines, beliefs, and practices

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 * The result of the discussion was: split. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:16, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Latter Day Saint doctrines, beliefs, and practices to Category:Latter Day Saint belief and doctrine and Category:Latter Day Saint practices
 * Nominator's rationale: split, it is an overly broad category, align this with parent categories Category:Christian belief and doctrine and Category:Christian practices. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:52, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Split to match overall tree. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:37, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose we have an article Beliefs and practices of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Beliefs and practices are so intertwined that splitting them does not make sense, and the difference between doctrine and belief is a semantic issue that not all people will parse the same way. These are too interconnected to make any split logical.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:15, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Split per nom to match the overall tree. Beliefs and practices are related, but I think for every article and subcategory a judgment can be made as to which of the two it more closely belongs in. For instance, clearly belongs in a belief and doctrine category.  clearly belongs in a practices category. And in cases of doubt, a subcategory or article can go in both! Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:23, 4 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Interpretation

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 * The result of the discussion was: split and disambiguate to Category:Heritage interpretation and other meanings.– Fayenatic  L ondon 22:33, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Interpretation to Category:Heritage interpretation
 * Nominator's rationale: The sub-categories and articles in this category are all wildly different things that happen to have the word "interpretation" in their name. Note that the article interpretation is a disambiguation page for exactly this reason.  However, a few of the subcats and articles can be meaningfully grouped as part of the discipline known as heritage interpretation, which is what museums, natural parks, historic sites, etc. call the process of explaining their topic to the public.   --Kevlar (talk • contribs) 19:28, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Empty the category and turn it into a dab page, largely per nom. Creating Category:Heritage interpretation can be done instantly without awaiting the outcome of this CfD. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:55, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename' per nom and purge as well. --Just N. (talk) 16:13, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename and Purge per nom. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:29, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment, it would still be useful to leave a dab page. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:10, 7 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Hinduism in Asia by city

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:20, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Hinduism in Asia by city to Category:Hinduism by city
 * Nominator's rationale: upmerge, unnecessary category layer, it is the only subcategory of its parent. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:15, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Upmerge per nom. Even if categories existed for Hinduism in other cities, there'd be so few of them (Suva, maybe, or Georgetown, Guyana, or Bradford, but that's about it) that dividing by continent would be superfluous. Grutness... wha?   07:28, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge for Now Doesn't aid navigation for now. -RevelationDirect (talk) 00:49, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge for Now. Well, South Africa and Trinidad/Tobago seem to have a notable Hindu population as well. --Just N. (talk) 16:16, 3 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Ala Vaikunthapurramuloo
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Category:Muslim scholars of Islam

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 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) Rathfelder (talk) 20:59, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Muslim scholars of Islam to Category:Muslim theologians
 * Nominator's rationale: Most of the articles are in both categories. I'd like some guidance as to whether they are essentially the same, or whether one should be a subcategory of the other.  My impression is that "theologian" is not a term generally used in Islam.  Category:Religious scholars by religion contains both Category:Christian theologians and Category:Muslim scholars of Islam  (and Category:Sikh scholars). Rathfelder (talk) 15:54, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


 * If merged, it should be a reverse merge. Scholars of Islam is a broader term encompassing the entire history of Islam while theologians is only (sometimes) used in recent times. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:22, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Religious scholars by religion

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge in the way proposed by . Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:18, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Religious scholars by religion to Category:Scholars by religion
 * Nominator's rationale: These two parent categories dont fit together. They seem to be intended to perform similar functions. Rathfelder (talk) 20:59, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Support in principle, but move Category:Sikh scholars to Category:Scholars by religion then delete. The other two subcategories of Category:Religious scholars by religion are already further down in the tree of Category:Scholars by religion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:37, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge in the differenciated mod MArco proposed. --Just N. (talk) 16:30, 3 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Lists of officeholders lists

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Lists of lists of officeholders. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:13, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Lists of officeholders lists to Category:Lists of office-holders
 * Nominator's rationale: Quite simply, I flat out don't get what "lists of lists" is even supposed to mean. At the very least I don't see any possible meaning reflected in the contents. Anomalous+0 (talk) 08:42, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose. See the rather esoteric Lists of lists. Every article in Category:Lists of officeholders lists should be a "list of lists", like Lists of ambassadors of India (a list of lists of ambassadors), as opposed to simple lists like List of ambassadors of India to Germany (a list of ambassadors). There is a structure under Category:Lists of lists, and this is one of them. It is a bit abstract, but does make sense. Aymatth2 (talk) 12:11, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Very abstract indeed. Wouldn't it be less abstract to only categorize lists, not making Lists of lists? Of course this is a question not directly related to the nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:42, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm wondering if Category:Lists of lists of officeholders would better emotionally prepare readers for what they're about the find. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:40, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Good idea. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:35, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose. And Rename' the first to Category:Lists of lists of officeholders. --Just N. (talk) 16:33, 3 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Presidential schools in the United States

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:16, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting presidential schools in the united states
 * Nominator's rationale: No evidence that this is a defining characteristic, per WP:CATDEF, rather it is a trivial receptacle of items named after presidents. To quote the PROD at the corresponding list: "This is a made-up concept, there is no such thing as a "presidential school". These are wholly unrelated things whose namesakes have something in common for various reasons. Notability not established with substantive sources". --Animalparty! (talk) 05:50, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and per WP:SHAREDNAME. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:45, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:SHAREDNAME. While they don't have the same name, they do have the same type of name which is no more defining. -RevelationDirect (talk) 00:41, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete This is purely a categorization by shared name. An inadequate one at that, since there is no clear reason why it is just cherry picking these from a much larger lists of educational institutions named after those who have served as presidents of the US. Since at least one of these institutions was named before the person it was named for even became a US president, the connection is not in any way defining.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:18, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:SHAREDNAME. --Just N. (talk) 16:34, 3 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional criminals on soap operas
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Category:International Young Democrat Union people

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:14, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose Renaming Category:International Young Democrat Union people to Category:International Young Democrat Union chairs
 * Propose Selectively Purging Zach Howell
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:CATNAME and WP:OCASSOC
 * This is really just a truth in advertising rename since 5 of the 6 articles are for people who were chairs of deputy chairs of the International Young Democrat Union, which is a clearly defining role. The IYDU is an international umbrella organization of conservative youth organizations and people who were active in one of those national affiliates should not be in this category. For instance, Zach Howell is already under Category:College Republican National Committee chairs and his article makes no mention of the IYDU. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:22, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Support, just membership of an organization is hardly ever defining. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:42, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Support mere membership in such a group is not defining.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:19, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. --Just N. (talk) 16:40, 3 June 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Members of the Lambrakis Democratic Youth

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. In light of this, we could really do with the article Lambrakis Democratic Youth. Kind of regrettably,  exists with only this category as the contents. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:27, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose Deleting Category:Members of the Lambrakis Democratic Youth
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:PERFCAT & WP:OVERLAPCAT)
 * English Wikipedia doesn't have an article on the Lambrakis Democratic Youth and Greek Wikipedia only has a stub, but it appears to be a short-lived leftist student group during the 1965 Royal Coup in Athens. For people who were short-term activists this feels like a performance category while those who stayed active in leftist politics are already somewhere under Category:Greek socialists or Category:Greek communists. I copied the current category contents right here so no work is lost if another editor wants to start a main article. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:22, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Support, Sotiris Petroulas is already in Category:Greek activists and for the other articles this is not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:46, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. This organization is not just a "short-lived leftist student group" but maybe the major political organization of the Greek wave of the 1960s civil-rights and youth counter-culture movement that shook the world. It should not be confused with e.g. the youth wing of a political party, or a student association, as it is none of both but a distinct political organization. Events around this organization are the basis of the famous Costa-Gavras 1969 film Z. If you mean by short-lived that some comparable groups in Western European or North American countries outlived it, well, it was suppressed by the 1967 dictatorship. Zenkyoto (in Japan) or Gauche prolétarienne (in France) are examples of comparable groups from the same era. It is certainly defining. Place Clichy (talk) 15:09, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * That all sounds pretty interesting and would make a great main article (hint, hint). - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:48, 29 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete We do not categorize people by membership in political movements. We only categoize politicians who served in actually offices or at least were official candidates by membership. We in general avoid mass categorization by political affiliation, although we have allowed some creep categorization that really needs to be ended.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:20, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Just as Place Clichy said this is a very special group of essential influence in Greek history. Sometimes the article texts don't point to it b/c the editors are a bit lazy or ignorant. And Greece is so far away for most contributors here. --Just N. (talk) 16:47, 3 June 2021 (UTC)


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