Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 November 17



Category:Music in the Metropolitan Borough of Oldham

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Musicians from the Metropolitan Borough of Oldham. Musical groups have already been split out of the category.  bibliomaniac  1  5  06:30, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: That is what the category contains. Rathfelder (talk) 23:17, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Music in the Metropolitan Borough of Oldham to Category:Musicians from the Metropolitan Borough of Oldham
 * Comment - there are bands as well as musicians. Oculi (talk) 01:29, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
 * 8 bands was enough to split to a new sub-cat Category:Musical groups from the Metropolitan Borough of Oldham, so I have done that. Musical groups are elsewhere a sub-cat of musicians, so this does not need to change if the category is renamed. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:33, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Support -- No problem having bands as they are just several musicians together. The present name would imply music written or performed in Oldham, which is not a category that I think we need.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:43, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: the rationale does not only apply to this category but several other locality siblings in Category:Music in Greater Manchester, not to mention the rest of England… – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:33, 27 November 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Lx affiliates

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:09, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Created by an obvious sockpuppet of User:SPWTulsaOK1213. No corresponding article (link leads to a section of another article). Mvcg66b3r (talk) 20:53, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting lx affiliates
 *  Speedy delete: Wouldn't this fall under G5, owing to being created by a sock? -- WC  Quidditch  ☎   ✎  21:01, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Actually, on second look, categories probably rarely if ever qualify for G5. At least in theory, it is (in a broad sense) a potentially useful category, as not all affiliates of this service are owned by network parent NBCUniversal. That said, under the circumstances, it might be best to get rid of this. -- WC  Quidditch  ☎   ✎  21:10, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment This category has been emptied. Yes, according to WP:BANREVERT, categories ordinarily shouldn't be tagged as CSD G5 unless they are empty, can be easily emptied or if they are vandalism but that doesn't stop some well-meaning editors from tagging them for speedy deletion. If the sockpuppet is the only contributor, they can be nominated here at CFD and if other editors have contributed to the page, they can be kept. Liz Read! Talk! 01:31, 19 November 2021 (UTC)


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Essays by user

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. The essays have been listed on the users' respective pages.  bibliomaniac  1  5  06:31, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: There are precedents against categories by user, e.g. Categories for discussion/Log/2021 October 17. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:15, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Essays by Ritchie333 to Category:User essays
 * Propose merging Category:Essays by Sunwoo Lim to Category:User essays
 * Oppose I'd like to keep all my essays in one place. Is is possible to userfy a category? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  16:44, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * A category is not a place, it is just a list of links. That same list of links is already on User:Ritchie333 as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:59, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * That list on your user page was missing one which is in the category; I've added it now. But the category is also missing some that are in the list. I think this shows that it's better to use just one, and your user page is best, as it allows you to group them e.g. User:Ritchie333 – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:11, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Ritchie, please let me suggest creating User:Ritchie333/User essays. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:09, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * One advantage of that idea would be that you could add it as a "See also" link at the foot of each of your essays, to allow navigation between them, with the same number of clicks as using a category. You could also transpose it into your main user page, so that there would still be only one place to maintain. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:25, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge both as personal userspace categories, which have near-unanimous precedent in favor of deleting. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:57, 9 December 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Series sidebar templates

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:12, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Ambiguous name which adds an unnecessary extra categorization layer. Category:Film series sidebar templates should be merged to Category:Mass media sidebar templates. Gonnym (talk) 14:22, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging series sidebar templates to Category:Mass media sidebar templates
 * do you mean "moved" rather than "upmerged"? It might be clearer to present this as a nomination to merge to Category:Mass media sidebar templates. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:18, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Done. --Gonnym (talk) 16:20, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Support, per nom. See also: Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_May_24. —⁠andrybak (talk) 16:49, 17 November 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Montreal Roadrunners

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus.  bibliomaniac  1  5  06:28, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This is team has been defunct for 25 years and has only the article, its logo, and its players category as contents. User:Namiba 14:39, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting montreal roadrunners
 * Comment - now has five articles. Grutness... wha?   23:10, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * It is doubtful whether the stadiums in which they played should be included. Is it defining of the Montreal Forum that they briefly hosted this small time team? Regardless, there is no potential for growth as the team is long defunct. WP:SMALLCAT still applies.--User:Namiba 17:07, 10 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment -- "Stadiums used" categorisation (unless a dedicated facility, only used by them) fall foul of OCVENUE. The category includes an owner and a coach, besides the main article and subcategory.  Could we repurpose the sub-cat as "Montreal Roadrunners people", which would enable the two people to be downmerged with the main article being its main article.  This would enable this level to be eliminated.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:41, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Seems fair. Grutness... wha?   01:10, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 * This seems like an unnecessary level of categorization. The coaches are mentioned in the article and the players category already exists.--User:Namiba 18:31, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 06:47, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep There are other articles you can add to the category. I have added both the Forum and Bell Centre (Molson Centre at the time) to the category.  They played in both arenas.   Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 22:04, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Which other articles can be added? As mentioned above, the arenas should not be included per WP:OCVENUE. Please be specific.--User:Namiba 18:33, 18 November 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Mongolian musical groups by genre

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:16, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Not enough Mongolian musical groups‎ to divide by genre. Rathfelder (talk) 21:41, 1 November 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. The number of subcategories has increased from one to two. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:22, 9 November 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 06:34, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Mongolian musical groups by genre to Category:Mongolian musical groups
 * Weak keep - and move some of the subcats of (i.e., Mongolian girl groups, Mongolian rock music groups, Mongolian heavy metal musical groups) into the "by genre" category. Grutness...  wha?   23:37, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Good point, although I think only rock music groups would be added (as that is the parent of heavy metal groups). – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:01, 4 November 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Pomplamoose members
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep.  bibliomaniac  1  5  06:28, 16 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting Category: Pomplamoose members

Nominator's rationale: Pomplamoose is a musical duo. With there only being two members, this category is highly redundant and unnecessary. Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 05:07, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose, as I believe this is standard, e.g. the first page of Category:Musicians by band also has such categories for duos Category:A.B. Original members, Category:Angus & Julia Stone members. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:23, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * It doesn't make sense to have categories for duos since duos only have two members. A backing band, if they have one, does not make them members.  If they were official members, they would no longer be a duo.   Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 21:47, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * It is certainly WP:DEFINING for each of them that they are a member of Pomplamoose, so they should be in some category for Pomplamoose.
 * In the case of a more prominent duo e.g. Category:Simon & Garfunkel, there is enough content to justify an eponymous category, and then the members are held directly within that category, with no sub-cat for members. However, a case such as Pomplamoose clearly would not justify an WP:EPONCAT, so a members category is needed.– Fayenatic  L ondon 08:52, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I can imagine that in practice categories like this are redundant because with duos there is always going to be direct cross-referencing in the biography articles. But a more general discussion about duo categories should take place at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Musicians, it would not make sense to single out one duo category here. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:47, 19 November 2021 (UTC)


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