Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 November 26



Category:Women New York City Council members

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:55, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Multiple upmerge. This is an overly narrow triple intersection of municipality, sex, and political office. A similar category was deleted back in 2020. User:Namiba 16:27, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Women New York City Council members to Category:Women city councillors in New York (state) / Category:New York City Council members
 * Keep – Category:Women New York City Council members has many more members than Category:Women city councillors in New York (state). The proposed upmerge would lose granularity and be of disservice to both categories. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 00:58, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Granularity isn't necessarily a good thing per WP:NARROWCAT.--User:Namiba 15:13, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily, but considering that the category to be dissolved has currently 57 members, and the target category for the proposed merge has 9, the loss of detail would IMO be a loss. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:10, 30 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep – "Women New York City Council members" is a much broader category than the nominator's example category ("LGBT_members_of_the_San_Francisco_Board_of_Supervisors").
 * First I have a scope concern: I don't believe that comparing a "LGBT" category (as in the example) to a "Woman" category is appropriate in this particular case. It seems reasonable to assume that a "Woman" category would be much larger than an equivalent "LGBT" category.
 * The second concern is the size of the primary parent categories: San Francisco Board of Supervisors (11 members) versus the size of the New York City Council (51 members).
 * The third concern is that San Francisco is not a region of California, but one county in it. New York City is a region of the state with five counties. A better comparison would be something like Category:Women New York City Council members from Staten Island or say Category:LGBT New York City Council members from Brooklyn.
 * The fourth concern regards population scales of the two cities: NYC (pop. 8,804,190) is about ten times larger than San Francisco (pop. 873,965). A better fit for the San Francisco example category would be a similar category in New York state for Richmond county (pop. 495,747) or the Monroe County, New York (Pop. 759,443).
 * The fifth concern is another one of population proportion, this time of the city's population vs the state's population: The population of NYC is roughly half of New York state's population (20,215,751). The population of SF (pop. 873,965) vs the population of California (pop. 39,538,223) is roughly 2% if I did my math correctly.
 * --HugoHelp (talk) 18:07, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep -- This is a well populated category, so that there is no reason to upmerge: it is not a SMALLCAT. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:39, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Michael Bednarek and Peterkingiron who stated some good reasons. --Just N. (talk) 21:19, 3 December 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Histrionic personality disorder
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 December 18%23Category:Histrionic personality disorder

Category:Nutritional Psychiatry

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 * The result of the discussion was: procedural close, category page has been moved to draft (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 21:54, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: I suspect this article was accidentally created as a category. Gjs238 (talk) 05:38, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Convert Category:Nutritional Psychiatry to article Nutritional psychiatry
 * Clear error, I have moved to Draft:Nutritional psychiatry. SilkTork (talk) 19:36, 27 November 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Song recordings produced by Christopher Rowe

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Song recordings produced by Christopher Rowe (record producer).  bibliomaniac  1  5  18:57, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Who is Christopher Rowe? Certainly not Christopher Rowe, classical scholar. If the person is not notable, then there is no need for a category for his work. Pam D  16:32, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting song recordings produced by christopher rowe
 * I've disambiguated this one to Christopher Rowe (record producer) where he appears in Red (Taylor's Version). Pam  D  16:37, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 06:13, 18 November 2021 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment I'd think there is a real diefference between 'not notable' and not yet got an article in Wikipedia. The number (20) of songs in the subcategory tells us: probably a notable producer! --Just N. (talk) 20:34, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 03:52, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename to . Agree with the remarks of Just N., above. Oculi (talk) 19:15, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * His (new) article is at Chris Rowe, which seems to be the name he usually uses. Rename to, per that article. Grutness... wha?   01:18, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename per Grutness, with thanks for resolving the issue completely, hatnote, redirect and all. Pam  D  06:51, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename to . SilkTork (talk) 19:12, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename to . Thanks to Grutness! --Just N. (talk) 21:15, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Cheers, folks :) Grutness... wha?   01:41, 4 December 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of the Médaille militaire (France)

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:57, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: There's no other Médaille militaire category, so why the disambiguation? Clarityfiend (talk) 00:17, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Recipients of the Médaille militaire (France) to Category:Recipients of the Médaille militaire
 * Keep - there is Médaille militaire (Luxembourg) so it is ambiguous. Oculi (talk) 01:32, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Oculi. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 15:15, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Meh. It could go either way. The Luxembourg medal article is Military Medal (Luxembourg), while the French medal article is Médaille militaire (no disambiguation). We like the category to follow the same name as the main topic article, which in this case is Médaille militaire, so Category:Recipients of the Médaille militaire follows guidance, and is clearer. If anyone wants to start a category for recipients of Military Medal (Luxembourg) the category would be Category:Recipients of the Military Medal (Luxembourg), so there wouldn't be a clash. So having (France) in the cat name is inappropriate, unnecessary and doesn't follow guidance. However, I can understand the argument that it adds extra clarity - but, then, that argument could also apply to the main topic article Médaille militaire. A quick look on Google indicates that there is no confusion - The French military medal is widely known as Médaille militaire, so a reference to Médaille militaire would put people in mind of the French medal, not the Luxembourg one. So, on reflection, I support the rename to Category:Recipients of the Médaille militaire. SilkTork (talk) 19:49, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Oculi. --Just N. (talk) 21:16, 3 December 2021 (UTC)


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