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Category:Iranian vocalists
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Category:People who known as Liberator

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting people who known as liberator
 * Nominator's rationale: Non-defining. DrKay (talk) 20:57, 1 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, plus it's appalling English. No Great Shaker (talk) 22:26, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: there is a list on the disambiguation page Liberator. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:30, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Unneeded - arbitrary - bad English -- Alexf(talk) 23:28, 2 October 2021 (UTC)


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Footballers by city in Israel

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: merge all containing fewer than five articles, rename the rest to "footballers" (with some support and no opposition here, and could be done speedily anyway under WP:C2C), and splitting Category:Footballers from Jaffa from Category:Footballers from Tel Aviv. For the record, in order to leave backlinks to the discussion, the renames are as follows.


 * Category:Football players from Acre, Israel‎ to Category:Footballers from Acre, Israel (6 P)
 * Category:Football players from Ashdod to Category:Footballers from‎ Ashdod (43 P)
 * Category:Football players from Ashkelon to Category:Footballers from‎ Ashkelon (10 P)
 * Category:Football players from Bat Yam to Category:Footballers from‎ Bat Yam (18 P)
 * Category:Football players from Beersheba‎ to Category:Footballers from Beersheba‎ (43 P)
 * Category:Football players from Beit She'an to Category:Footballers from‎ Beit She'an (6 P)
 * Category:Football players from Dimona to Category:Footballers from‎ Dimona (5 P)
 * Category:Football players from Eilat to Category:Footballers from‎ Eilat (5 P)
 * Category:Football players from Hadera to Category:Footballers from‎ Hadera (19 P)
 * Category:Football players from Haifa to Category:Footballers from Haifa‎ (50 P)
 * Category:Football players from Herzliya to Category:Footballers from‎ Herzliya (14 P)
 * Category:Football players from Hod HaSharon‎ to Category:Footballers from Hod HaSharon‎ (8 P)
 * Category:Football players from Holon‎ to Category:Footballers from Holon‎ (15 P)
 * Category:Football players from Jerusalem‎ to Category:Footballers from Jerusalem‎ (47 P)
 * Category:Football players from Karmiel‎ to Category:Footballers from Karmiel‎ (7 P)
 * Category:Football players from Kfar Saba‎ to Category:Footballers from Kfar Saba‎ (18 P)
 * Category:Football players from Kiryat Ata to Category:Footballers from‎ Kiryat Ata (5 P)
 * Category:Football players from Kiryat Motzkin to Category:Footballers from Kiryat Motzkin‎ (8 P)
 * Category:Football players from Lod‎ to Category:Footballers from Lod‎ (8 P)
 * Category:Football players from Ma'ale Adumim‎ to Category:Footballers from Ma'ale Adumim‎ (5 P)
 * Category:Football players from Magshimim to Category:People from‎ Magshimim (2 P)
 * Category:Football players from Majd al-Krum to Category:Footballers from‎ Majd al-Krum (7 P)
 * Category:Football players from Nahariya to Category:Footballers from Nahariya‎ (10 P)
 * Category:Football players from Nazareth‎ to Category:Footballers from Nazareth‎ (9 P)
 * Category:Football players from Ness Ziona‎ to Category:Footballers from Ness Ziona‎ (8 P)
 * Category:Football players from Netanya to Category:Footballers from Netanya‎ (78 P)
 * Category:Football players from Nof HaGalil to Category:Footballers from‎ Nof HaGalil (6 P)
 * Category:Football players from Petah Tikva‎ to Category:Footballers from Petah Tikva‎ (41 P)
 * Category:Football players from Ra'anana to Category:Footballers from Ra'anana‎ (8 P)
 * Category:Football players from Ramat Gan to Category:Footballers from‎ Ramat Gan (23 P)
 * Category:Football players from Ramat HaSharon to Category:Footballers from Ramat HaSharon‎ (7 P)
 * Category:Football players from Ramla to Category:Footballers from Ramla‎ (5 P)
 * Category:Football players from Rehovot‎ to Category:Footballers from Rehovot‎ (6 P)
 * Category:Football players from Rishon LeZion to Category:Footballers from‎ Rishon LeZion (40 P)
 * Category:Football players from Sakhnin to Category:Footballers from‎ Sakhnin (9 P)
 * Category:Football players from Shefa-'Amr‎ to Category:Footballers from Shefa-'Amr‎ (5 P)
 * Category:Football players from Tiberias to Category:Footballers from Tiberias‎ (8 P)
 * Category:Football players from Tirat Carmel‎ to Category:Footballers from Tirat Carmel‎ (7 P)
 * Category:Football players from Umm al-Fahm‎ to Category:Footballers from Umm al-Fahm‎ (5 P)


 * – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:37, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Football players from I'billin to Category:People from I'billin
 * Nominator's rationale: A series of WP:SMALLCAT of footballers. Footballer categories should really only be split from large Sportspeople by city categories, which in and of themselves should be split from large people by city categories Librarian from Liberia (talk) 20:42, 26 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Category:Football players from Acre, Israel - merge to Category:People from Acre, Israel
 * Category:Football players from Afula - merge to Category:People from Afula
 * Category:Football players from Arraba, Israel - merge to Category:People from Arraba, Israel
 * Category:Football players from Beit She'an - merge to Category:People from Beit She'an
 * Category:Football players from Bi'ina - merge to Category:People from Bi'ina
 * Category:Football players from Daliyat al-Karmel - merge to Category:People from Daliyat al-Karmel
 * Category:Football players from Dimona - merge to Category:People from Dimona
 * Category:Football players from Eilat - merge to Category:People from Eilat
 * Category:Football players from Giv'at Shmuel - merge to Category:People from Giv'at Shmuel
 * Category:Football players from Givatayim - merge to Category:People from Givatayim
 * Category:Football players from HaHotrim - merge to Category:People from HaHotrim
 * Category:Football players from Hatzor HaGlilit - merge to Category:People from Hatzor HaGlilit
 * Category:Football players from Hod HaSharon - merge to Category:People from Hod HaSharon
 * Category:Football players from Jadeidi-Makr - merge to Category:People from Jadeidi-Makr
 * Category:Football players from Kabul, Israel - merge to Category:People from Kabul, Israel
 * Category:Football players from Kafr Manda - merge to Category:People from Kafr Manda
 * Category:Football players from Kafr Qara - merge to Category:People from Kafr Qara
 * Category:Football players from Kafr Qasim - merge to Category:People from Kafr Qasim
 * Category:Football players from Karmiel - merge to Category:People from Karmiel
 * Category:Football players from Katzrin - merge to Category:People from Katzrin

I've lost patience with the copy and paste now but you get the picture. Consider any subcategory within Category:Footballers by city or town in Israel to be nominated if it contains under 10 articles. Rationale as outlined above. Creator doesn't seem to mind categories being deleted, and one gets the impression from the note at the top that it happens quite a lot to her. Librarian from Liberia (talk) 20:55, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Support merging per nom. Dhawangupta (talk) 04:54, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Support merging any with fewer than five articles, which is the usual cutoff point in such discussions. They should be doubly upmerged to the proposed categories and . Keep the rest. Grutness... wha?   07:57, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * A double upmerge is not needed, the articles are already in players per club categories in Israel. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:23, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I note that the articles within that hierarchy are also diffused by league, and to Category:Israeli footballers where appropriate. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:01, 3 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Procedural comment all category pages should be tagged. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:23, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:23, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Support - they should all be 'footballers' anyway as the parent is Category:Footballers by city or town in Israel. Oculi (talk) 10:11, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 08:25, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: The entire category tree with 81 subcategories has only been tagged in its entirety just now.
 * Support merging any with fewer than five articles, as long as they are tagged, obviously, and keep but rename the rest to as is standard naming convention. GiantSnowman 08:27, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Support GiantSnowman. Rename parent to Category:Footballers by place in Israel (unnecessary to say populated place"). Peterkingiron (talk) 15:47, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Support merge except For any categories with 6 or more entries. I agree with Grutness above....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:49, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
 * These have only just been tagged, omitting 4 which have 6+ members. Let's leave this another week. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:31, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  bibliomaniac 1  5  20:39, 1 October 2021 (UTC) Revised nomination to merge (with number of pages in category included for reference):
 * Merge per above. No Great Shaker (talk) 22:25, 1 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Category:Football players from Acre, Israel‎ to Category:People from Acre, Israel (6 P)
 * Category:Football players from Afula‎ to Category:People from Afula (4 P)
 * Category:Football players from Arraba, Israel to Category:People from‎ Arraba, Israel (3 P)
 * Category:Football players from Ashdod to Category:People from‎ Ashdod (43 P)
 * Category:Football players from Ashkelon to Category:People from‎ Ashkelon (10 P)
 * Category:Football players from Bat Yam to Category:People from‎ Bat Yam (18 P)
 * Category:Football players from Beersheba‎ to Category:People from Beersheba‎ (43 P)
 * Category:Football players from Beit She'an to Category:People from‎ Beit She'an (6 P)
 * Category:Football players from Bi'ina to Category:People from‎ Bi'ina (1 P)
 * Category:Football players from Daliyat al-Karmel to Category:People from‎ Daliyat al-Karmel (4 P)
 * Category:Football players from Dimona to Category:People from‎ Dimona (4 P) (5 P)
 * Category:Football players from Eilat to Category:People from‎ Eilat (5 P)
 * Category:Football players from Giv'at Shmuel to Category:People from‎ Giv'at Shmuel (2 P)
 * Category:Football players from Geva Binyamin‎ to Category:People from Geva Binyamin‎ (2 P)
 * Category:Football players from Givatayim‎ to Category:People from Givatayim‎ (3 P)
 * Category:Football players from Hadera to Category:People from‎ Hadera (19 P)
 * Category:Football players from HaHotrim‎ to Category:People from HaHotrim‎ (2 P)
 * Category:Football players from Haifa to Category:People from Haifa‎ (50 P)
 * Category:Football players from Hatzor HaGlilit‎ to Category:People from Hatzor HaGlilit‎ (2 P)
 * Category:Football players from Herzliya to Category:People from‎ Herzliya (14 P)
 * Category:Football players from Hod HaSharon‎ to Category:People from Hod HaSharon‎ (8 P)
 * Category:Football players from Holon‎ to Category:People from Holon‎ (15 P)
 * Category:Football players from I'billin‎ to Category:People from I'billin‎ (3 P)
 * Category:Football players from Jadeidi-Makr‎ to Category:People from Jadeidi-Makr‎ (3 P)
 * Category:Football players from Jerusalem‎ to Category:People from Jerusalem‎ (47 P)
 * Category:Football players from Kabul, Israel to Category:People from Kabul, Israel‎ (1 P)
 * Category:Football players from Kafr Manda‎ to Category:People from Kafr Manda‎ (2 P)
 * Category:Football players from Kafr Qara to Category:People from Kafr Qara‎ (1 P)
 * Category:Football players from Kafr Qasim‎ to Category:People from Kafr Qasim‎ (4 P)
 * Category:Football players from Karmiel‎ to Category:People from Karmiel‎ (7 P)
 * Category:Football players from Katzrin to Category:People from‎ Katzrin (2 P)
 * Category:Football players from Kfar Kama to Category:People from‎ Kfar Kama (2 P)
 * Category:Football players from Kfar Saba‎ to Category:People from Kfar Saba‎ (18 P)
 * Category:Football players from Kiryat Ata to Category:People from‎ Kiryat Ata (4 P) (5 P)
 * Category:Football players from Kiryat Bialik to Category:People from‎ Kiryat Bialik (4 P)
 * Category:Football players from Kiryat Gat to Category:People from Kiryat Gat‎ (2 P)
 * Category:Football players from Kiryat Motzkin to Category:People from Kiryat Motzkin‎ (8 P)
 * Category:Football players from Kiryat Ono‎ to Category:People from Kiryat Ono‎ (4 P)
 * Category:Football players from Kiryat Shmona‎ to Category:People from Kiryat Shmona‎ (4 P)
 * Category:Football players from Kiryat Tiv'on‎ to Category:People from Kiryat Tiv'on‎ (2 P)
 * Category:Football players from Lod‎ to Category:People from Lod‎ (8 P)
 * Category:Football players from Ma'ale Adumim‎ to Category:People from Ma'ale Adumim‎ (5 P)
 * Category:Football players from Magshimim to Category:People from‎ Magshimim (2 P)
 * Category:Football players from Majd al-Krum to Category:People from‎ Majd al-Krum (7 P)
 * Category:Football players from Mazkeret Batya to Category:People from‎ Mazkeret Batya (2 P)
 * Category:Football players from Mevaseret Zion‎ to Category:People from Mevaseret Zion‎ (2 P)
 * Category:Football players from Modi'in-Maccabim-Re'ut to Category:People from‎ Modi'in-Maccabim-Re'ut (3 P)
 * Category:Football players from Nahariya to Category:People from Nahariya‎ (10 P)
 * Category:Football players from Nazareth‎ to Category:People from Nazareth‎ (9 P)
 * Category:Football players from Nesher to Category:People from Nesher‎ (3 P)
 * Category:Football players from Ness Ziona‎ to Category:People from Ness Ziona‎ (8 P)
 * Category:Football players from Netanya to Category:People from Netanya‎ (78 P)
 * Category:Football players from Nof HaGalil to Category:People from‎ Nof HaGalil (6 P)
 * Category:Football players from Or Akiva to Category:People from‎ Or Akiva (4 P)
 * Category:Football players from Oranit to Category:People from‎ Oranit (1 P)
 * Category:Football players from Pardes Hanna-Karkur to Category:People from Pardes Hanna-Karkur‎ (4 P)
 * Category:Football players from Pardesiya‎ to Category:People from Pardesiya‎ (1 P)
 * Category:Football players from Petah Tikva‎ to Category:People from Petah Tikva‎ (41 P)
 * Category:Football players from Ra'anana to Category:People from Ra'anana‎ (8 P)
 * Category:Football players from Rahat to Category:People from‎ Rahat (2 P)
 * Category:Football players from Ramat Gan to Category:People from‎ Ramat Gan (23 P)
 * Category:Football players from Ramat HaSharon to Category:People from Ramat HaSharon‎ (7 P)
 * Category:Football players from Ramat Yishay to Category:People from‎ Ramat Yishay (3 P)
 * Category:Football players from Ramla to Category:People from Ramla‎ (5 P)
 * Category:Football players from Regba‎ to Category:People from Regba‎ (2 P)
 * Category:Football players from Rehovot‎ to Category:People from Rehovot‎ (4 P) (6 P)
 * Category:Football players from Reineh‎ to Category:People from Reineh‎ (1 P)
 * Category:Football players from Rishon LeZion to Category:People from‎ Rishon LeZion (40 P)
 * Category:Football players from Rosh HaAyin to Category:People from Rosh HaAyin‎ (4 P)
 * Category:Football players from Sakhnin to Category:People from‎ Sakhnin (9 P)
 * Category:Football players from Shefa-'Amr‎ to Category:People from Shefa-'Amr‎ (5 P)
 * Category:Football players from Sulam‎ to Category:People from Sulam‎ (1 P)
 * Category:Football players from Tel Adashim to Category:People from Tel Adashim‎ (1 P)
 * Category:Football players from Tel Aviv-Jaffa‎ to Category:People from Tel Aviv / Category:People from Jaffa‎ (split) (73 P)
 * Category:Football players from Tiberias to Category:People from Tiberias‎ (8 P)
 * Category:Football players from Tirat Carmel‎ to Category:People from Tirat Carmel‎ (7 P)
 * Category:Football players from Tzippori to Category:People from Tzippori‎ (2 P)
 * Category:Football players from Tzrufa‎ to Category:People from Tzrufa‎ (3 P)
 * Category:Football players from Umm al-Fahm‎ to Category:People from Umm al-Fahm‎ (4 P) (5 P)
 * Category:Football players from Yavne‎ to Category:People from Yavne‎ (3 P)
 * Category:Football players from Zikhron Ya'akov to Category:People from Zikhron Ya'akov‎ (3 P)


 * Thank you for adding the remainder of the tree. Anything said before applies to the whole tree, obviously. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I have updated the numbers in a few cases where it makes a difference. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:55, 3 November 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Male superheroes
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Category:High school football competitions in the United States
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Category:Austrian royalty

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: keep and remove headnote (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:38, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Austrian royalty to Category:Austrian royalty who did not rule in Austrian territory
 * Nominator's rationale: Either rename or delete. Why have a category about what they did not do? Very strange. If retained, the name needs to reflect the weird scope. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:58, 1 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep and convert, as far as possible, into a holding category for its many subcats. Taking a few of the 21 articles as examples, the likes of Anne of Austria, Queen of Poland, Anna of Austria, Queen of Spain and others are members of Category:Austrian princesses, a subcat of Category:Austrian royalty and should be removed from this on the basis of parent/child conflict. Mayerling incident doesn't belong in this category – it is well-categorised elsewhere as a scandal and a historical event. Haven't looked closely at all the articles but most, if not all, can surely be (or already are) adequately recategorised. No Great Shaker (talk) 13:23, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * But surely the name as it stands is almost entirely misleading. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:32, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * In relation to its sub-categories, I don't think it is. I agree it isn't right for the current set of articles it holds, which is why I think the articles should if possible be recategorised, leaving only the subcats in this. No Great Shaker (talk) 13:51, 1 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep - it is the category inclusion text which should be removed. This was a bizarre addition after the cfd 2007 May 22#Category:Non-ruling Austrian royalty: the text from the merged category has no bearing on the target category. Oculi (talk) 13:55, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Oculi. The headnote needs to be removed, as it is not helpful.  It has rulers of Austria as a subcat, which means that the rulers ARE in.  Peterkingiron (talk) 21:02, 3 October 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Historians of Rockaway, Queens

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:12, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose upmerging Category:Historians of Rockaway, Queens to Category:Historians of New York City
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT and, as it happens, one of its two articles, Alfred H. Bellot is at AfD. No Great Shaker (talk) 09:46, 1 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Upmerge to Category:Historians of New York City. Oculi (talk) 13:45, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Amended nomination from delete to upmerge, per Oculi. No Great Shaker (talk) 13:54, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Upmerge per SMALL CAT. Vincent F. Seyfried is well-categorised.  The other is up for AFD, but if kept could be given additional categories.  Peterkingiron (talk) 21:06, 3 October 2021 (UTC)


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