Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 October 20



Category:Life senators of Burundi

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:52, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Life senators of Burundi to Category:Burundi life senators Category:Burundian life senators
 * Nominator's rationale: Same format as other subcategories in Category:Senators for life NoonIcarus (talk) 21:07, 20 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. No Great Shaker (talk) 21:13, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename but it should be Category:Burundian life senators per Category:Burundian politicians, Category:Burundian people. Oculi (talk) 00:59, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You're right, thanks for the note. I have amended the request accordingly. --NoonIcarus (talk) 08:29, 22 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:Burundian senators for life for syntax. The other three subcategories of Category:Senators for life should be renamed accordingly. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 16:18, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename per corrected nomination. Also do accordingly with the subcategories per LaundryPizza03. --Just N. (talk) 11:13, 27 October 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Italian Life Senators

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:50, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Italian Life Senators to Category:Italian life senators
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:LOWERCASE NoonIcarus (talk) 21:06, 20 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. No Great Shaker (talk) 21:13, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. Mikedelsol (talk) 13:14, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. --Just N. (talk) 11:14, 27 October 2021 (UTC)


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Category:French Life Senators

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:48, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:French Life Senators to Category:French life senators
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:LOWERCASE NoonIcarus (talk) 21:05, 20 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. The scope note in the category needs similar amendment. No Great Shaker (talk) 21:12, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. --Just N. (talk) 11:15, 27 October 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Tajik singers

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 * The result of the discussion was: selectively merge then delete. Some biographies might justifiably be added to Category:Tajik-language singers or Category:Tajikistani singers. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:39, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Tajik singers to Category:Tajik-language singers
 * Nominator's rationale: There is supposed to be a distinction between the language and the music, but it doesn't work. There isn't actually an article Tajik music, just a redirect to Music of Tajikistan, of which there are clearly several kinds.  Rathfelder (talk) 14:18, 20 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. There is an additional problem with the name of the category because Tajik is the language but the nationality is Tajikistani. So, are they singers in Tajik or are they Tajikistani singers? Another good reason to merge. No Great Shaker (talk) 17:47, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 11:15, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:OVERLAPCAT (or keep if not deleted, but certainly do not merge), the category consists mostly of Tajikistani singers and also some Afghan-Tajik singers, however it is incorrect or uncertain that the latter singers sang in Tajik language. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:26, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Happy to purge it and then delete. Rathfelder (talk) 22:08, 1 November 2021 (UTC)


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Merged WikiProject/Task Tracking Categories

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 * The result of the discussion was: no action yet. These categories may be renamed in due course under WP:G6. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:31, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Basically WikiProject Philippine History was converted into a task force of Tambayan Philippines and there are some leftover categories to clean up. I welcome any feedback on more appropriate cleanup. Courtesy ping to User:Chipmunkdavis


 * Delete (empty categories)


 * Philippine History articles needing attention‎
 * Philippine History articles needing infoboxes‎
 * A-Class Philippine History articles‎
 * FA-Class Philippine History articles‎
 * FL-Class Philippine History articles‎


 * Merge categories


 * Category:Philippine History articles by importance -> Category:Philippine-related articles by importance
 * Category:High-importance Philippine History articles‎ -> Category:High-importance Philippine-related articles
 * Category:Low-importance Philippine History articles‎ -> Category:Low-importance Philippine-related articles
 * Category:Mid-importance Philippine History articles‎ -> Category:Mid-importance Philippine-related articles
 * Category:NA-importance Philippine History articles‎ -> Category:NA-importance Philippine-related articles‎
 * Category:Top-importance Philippine History articles‎ -> Category:Top-importance Philippine-related articles‎
 * Category:Unknown-importance Philippine History articles‎ -> Category:Unknown-importance Philippine-related articles‎
 * Category:B-Class Philippine History articles‎ -> Category:B-Class Philippine-related articles‎
 * Category:C-Class Philippine History articles‎ -> Category:C-Class Philippine-related articles‎
 * Category:GA-Class Philippine History articles‎ -> Category:GA-Class Philippine-related articles‎
 * Category:List-Class Philippine History articles‎ -> Category:List-Class Philippine-related articles‎
 * Category:NA-Class Philippine History articles‎ -> Category:NA-Class Philippine-related articles‎
 * Category:Start-Class Philippine History articles‎ -> Category:Start-Class Philippine-related articles‎
 * Category:Stub-Class Philippine History articles‎ -> Category:Stub-Class Philippine-related articles‎
 * Category:Unassessed Philippine History articles‎ -> Category:Unassessed Philippine-related articles‎

QED ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 09:37, 20 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for putting together this list Shushugah. On their talkpage, Shushugah noted the simplest solution would be renaming the category tree so that they are clearly marked as task force categories, eg. Category:WikiProject Philippine History to Category:Philippine history task force. If a code tweak on Template:WikiProject Tambayan Philippines to allow this is easier than merging, I suggest going with this route. CMD (talk) 10:16, 20 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Support Alt rename per CMD. --Just N. (talk) 11:20, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * the category pages have not been tagged, but perhaps the whole set could be dealt with as a housekeeping matter and processed under WP:G6. The weakness of the proposal is that the task force page is currently named Tambayan Philippines/Task force Philippine History, rather than /Philippine history task force. Also, it doesn't only depend on WikiProject Tambayan Philippines, as at least some of the pages use WikiProject Philippine History. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:32, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 * My idea was that the history category tree could be maintained within the wider tree. This is part of the deprecation of WikiProject Philippine History, which has been partially merged into WikiProject Tambayan Philippines already. What remains is figuring out whether WikiProject Tambayan Philippines can handle this cateogry structure as well, or whether the category structure must be deleted. CMD (talk) 02:46, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, the parent WikiProject template can handle task force categories. Here's one that UnitedStatesian and I did earlier: Template:WikiProject Catholicism populates Category:Catholic canon law articles and its subcats if the parameter  is set. What's more, you don't need to edit the 300+ pages that currently link to the Philippine History template; it can be redirected as a wrapper template like WikiProject Catholic canon law. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:46, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Or, you could put in a bot request to make the mass edit change; that's what we did when we used User:DannyS712 bot to break out Template:WikiProject Climate change from Template:WikiProject Environment. UnitedStatesian (talk) 16:32, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * These options are very good news, and greatly appreciated. I have no personal preference, but note there may be a couple of pages which currently have both. There is already "tf_1_Importance" code and "tf_1_ASSESSMENT_CAT" code in WikiProject Tambayan Philippines; if someone adds "TF_1_MAIN_CAT" will that transfer 'control' of the category tree? Appreciate any help from those more familiar with this sort of thing, including carrying out the necessary edits. CMD (talk) 16:58, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * is that bot used just to tag the category pages? Normally I'd insist on that before CFD, but in these cases, if no opposition is expected and the new name is clearly right, I don't see the benefit in tagging them all. It would be sufficient to make a list and feed it to user:JJMC89's bot via WP:CFDW; I think that will move the categories even if they are not tagged. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:54, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
 * no, we used that bot to find/replace which project banner template appeared on article talkpages, and to change subproject parameters within those banner templates. The category changes flowed automatically from the talkpage edits. UnitedStatesian (talk) 13:40, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
 * That sounds like neat work, with the advantage that the results would not confuse anyone when editing the page. However, the required outcomes could be achieved just by updating the WikiProject templates, like the Catholic canon law example above. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:24, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
 * @CMD: Why don't you start by moving Tambayan Philippines/Task force Philippine History to Tambayan Philippines/Philippine history task force? Then, if there have been no objections there within a couple of months, ping me on its talk page, with a link back to this CFD, with a request to rename the lot as a WP:G6 housekeeping task to make them consistent with that task force name. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:22, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I could do that, but does it make a difference to the items discussed here? I raised the template issue back in August to little notice. The main issue is that whatever the name, the new template can support them through the taskforce functionality, and it is that item I am looking for confirmation on. CMD (talk) 00:21, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @CMD: I'm not sure what you mean by "the new template" but I think the confirmation you are looking for is: Yes, the renamed task force categories can be populated both by WikiProject Tambayan Philippines and by WikiProject Philippine History, which can be made into a wrapper for the former. You can see this method working by looking at the Catholic examples above.– Fayenatic  L ondon 08:34, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @CMD: I note that you moved the project page on 7 December. Shall we close the discussion on this page now? – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:16, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I suppose so. Further changes could use a renewed discussion. CMD (talk) 17:33, 20 December 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Optical signal connectors

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 02:58, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting optical signal connectors
 * Nominator's rationale: This category is not needed. All of the entries that were in it belonged in the existing Category:Fiber-optic connectors. Srleffler (talk) 19:48, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 03:20, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Redundant category. No Great Shaker (talk) 17:38, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, provided that the facts presentation ist truthful. --Just N. (talk) 11:23, 27 October 2021 (UTC)


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