Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 October 28



Category:Go competitions in Germany

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:57, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: upmerge, only one article and the category is not part of an extensive by-country tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:00, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Go competitions in Germany to Category:Go competitions in Europe and Category:Competitions in Germany
 * Support Coastside (talk) 21:18, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Support  killer bee    04:07, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom and SMALLCAT. --Just N. (talk) 12:13, 4 November 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Turkish female radio singers

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. I will also add Behiye Aksoy, Semahat Özdenses and Hamiyet Yüceses to the other parent Category:Turkish radio people, but the radio aspect does not seem so defining for Safiye Ayla, Zehra Bilir or Kudsi Erguner. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:43, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Not defining. Many singers appear on the radio - and in other places. I dont think there are any other radio singer categories. Rathfelder (talk) 18:41, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Turkish female radio singers to Category:Turkish women singers
 * Propose merging Category:Turkish male radio singers to Category:Turkish male singers
 * There are a few others, enough to populate Category:Radio singers (with no subcats). Oculi (talk) 22:06, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Are there any singers who dont appear on the radio? Its not something they have any control over.  Rathfelder (talk) 21:29, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom and nominate sibling categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:58, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge. In theory I can sort of get what a radio singers category is trying for — looking at the American equivalents, what I see is the kind of singers who performed live on old-time radio shows in the 1920s and 1930s, not just any and every singer who gets songs onto the radio in the 21st century. But that's an incredibly opaque distinction, not at all obvious to the casual user, and it's nuzzling right up against the edges of being a WP:PERFCAT violation. I've bundled the Turkish male sibling here because it's equivalent and has only one person in it, but I will nominate the American ones separately. Bearcat (talk) 12:11, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
 * See Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_November_2. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:36, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment I'd name two different reasons why singers don't appear in the radio (formerly called 'airplay'): a) economical and b) political reasons. The American history of music industry is full of stories about success by corrupting money sums for radio chain owners/presenters. And the Turkish history (at least in the Erdogan era) is full of stories about musicians that are locked out of media airplay. Wait, didn't the US McCarthy era blacklist musicians as well? And also in Orban governed Hungary all media are for some years owned by gov loyal people -> no media airplay for critics. AFAIK only radical Muslim states like Iran or Afghanistan prohibit women to be public singers which is more extreme than lock them out of radio/TV airplay. --Just N. (talk) 12:41, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose The blacklisting or banning of musicians from radio airplay justifies to have a seperate category for 'radio singers'. Indeed, radio airplay (even if it has still own charts!) has lost a lot of influence in our times of soaring streaming services. But in media history radio singers have played a huge public role. Encyclopedia is about facts and history provides those facts!. We should eventually even create some new categories for "!radio banned/blacklisted musicians by country". Even the BBC blacklisted a lot in history.Very defining! --Just N. (talk) 12:54, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The defining characteristic in that case is that they were banned, rather than that they were specifically radio singers. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:08, 5 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Singers banned from radio stations would be much more defining.Rathfelder (talk) 16:52, 5 November 2021 (UTC)


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Category:LGBT directors by nationality

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:24, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Several categories that were recreated within two days of the closure of Categories for discussion/Log/2021 September 27 just last week. But this is still WP:OCAT by triple intersection of sexuality, occupation and nationality, which is permitted in some specific cases (politicians, writers, etc.) where the intersection is actually meaningful in and of itself or where the category is extremely large and needs subcategorization for size management purposes, but this doesn't fit either of those criteria -- being an LGBT director isn't meaningfully different in the United States than it is in Canada or Australia or France or the United Kingdom, and LGBT occupational categories are not routinely subcatted for nationality across the board. Note that reupmerging entries to is not needed, as all LGBT directors have already been subcategorized for the film vs. television vs. theatre distinction; however, some caution may be needed in some but not all cases to ensure that deletion doesn't remove anybody from the appropriate "LGBT people from [Country]" tree. Bearcat (talk) 16:10, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting lgbt directors by nationality
 * Propose deleting american lgbt directors
 * Propose deleting french lgbt directors
 * Propose deleting german lgbt directors
 * Propose deleting puerto rican lgbt directors
 * Delete - clearly an attempt to recreate categories (under different names) very recently deleted at cfd. Oculi (talk) 16:51, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment, creator of these categories (who has been notified of this discussion) recently has also created and populated quite a few other triple intersection categories within the LGBT tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:20, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * They aren't necessarily all problematic, for the record. Some of the categories in question (e.g., , , ) were getting large enough that diffusion was becoming necessary on size management grounds regardless of the definingness or non-definingness of the intersection itself — the difference here is that the parent category is already well-diffused on a more useful point of distinction, so diffusing by nationality is just superfluous, but that's not necessarily the case in all of the creator's new categories. Bearcat (talk) 15:30, 30 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. I'd say Bearcat's statements are fair and neutral. And nevertheless offer some precaution against exaggeration posibilities. --Just N. (talk) 13:08, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Category:LGBT directors by nationality has been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 17:45, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I restored the sub-cats that had material content, see User_talk:Bbb23/Archive_55. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:09, 11 November 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Deaths in the Philippines by province

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. See also Categories for discussion/Log/2021 October 13. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:41, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Per longstanding consensus, Wikipedia does not categorize people by the place where they died. Bearcat (talk) 14:51, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting deaths in the philippines by province
 * Propose deleting deaths in bulacan
 * Propose deleting deaths in camarines sur
 * Propose deleting deaths in cebu
 * Propose deleting deaths in cotabato
 * Propose deleting deaths in laguna (province)
 * Propose deleting deaths in masbate
 * Propose deleting deaths in mountain province
 * Propose deleting deaths in negros occidental
 * Propose deleting deaths in nueva ecija
 * Propose deleting deaths in pampanga
 * Propose deleting deaths in quezon
 * Delete, if people pass away in the place they live they should be in a "People from" category, whereas if they pass away in a different place it is usually a trivial characteristic (e.g. the place where they have a heart attack or the hospital where they are dying). Marcocapelle (talk) 19:15, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 19:28, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete We don't categorize people by where they died or where they're born. Thepharoah17 (talk) 22:24, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. If eventually Philippine journalists or homicide detectives need such table cats they should build them not in Wikipedia. --Just N. (talk) 13:12, 4 November 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Vertebrates of Niger

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. However, it will be empty after Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_October_29. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:05, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: This recreation was merged by cfd at 2018 April 21#Category:Vertebrates of Benin. Oculi (talk) 14:06, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Vertebrates of Niger to Category:Vertebrates of West Africa
 * Procedural question, shouldn't the subcategory be nominated in conjunction? Marcocapelle (talk) 19:23, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think Category:Reptiles by country has appeared at cfd (although it should, as the rationale is the same - reptiles pay no attention to land borders). This nom would place Category:Reptiles of Niger under Category:Vertebrates of West Africa which is procedurally OK. Oculi (talk) 22:12, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I found 2 similar ones at cfd, so see 2021 October 29#Category:Reptiles of Niger. Oculi (talk) 00:27, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 13:16, 4 November 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Serbian pop-folk singers

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Serbian folk-pop singers. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:21, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Serbian pop-folk singers to Category:Serbian turbo-folk singers
 * Nominator's rationale: Turbo-folk seems to be in Serbia what is called pop-folk in other places. Most of the articles are in both categories. Rathfelder (talk) 10:06, 7 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment. I created this category solely to fill a redlink in Special:WantedCategories. I have no view on whether the category should exist, but if it is to be merged then please keep a category redirect to avoid more articles ending up in a non-existent category. --  Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 11:02, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Serbian folk-pop singers per Folk-pop and . There may well be Serbian pop-folk singers who are not turbo-folk singers. Oculi (talk) 13:07, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Serbian folk-pop singers per Oculi, for consistency. No Great Shaker (talk) 13:35, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The articles mostly use the term turbo-folk. I dont think there can be any Serbian pop-folk singers who are not turbo-folk singers, because they are the same thing. Rathfelder (talk) 22:32, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Many articles in Category:Serbian pop-folk singers that I checked did not specifically mention turbo-folk. I think this should be commented on by Serbian locals. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:17, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Notifying WP:SERBIA. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  12:07, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with renaming, but the whole categorization is a mess. Half of those people are just very classic folk, some in advanced age or already dead. Folk-pop is a barely sourced stub, to which someone added unsourced section "Balkan region" defining it "pop-folk" is an umbrella term for genres of Balkan popular music that blend pop, folk, and ethnic music. – term used by who, exactly? There's probably one person (Željko Joksimović) that I'd unambiguously call "folk-pop" (Eurovision favorite genre). No such user (talk) 12:56, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Categorisation of music by genre is really difficult. I've listened to some of these and I wouldnt call any of them pop-folk. Rathfelder (talk) 22:25, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Alt rename to Category:Serbian folk-pop singers per Oculi. --Just N. (talk) 13:20, 4 November 2021 (UTC)


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Category:University of Chinese Academy of Sciences

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:57, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: The name of the article has already been established at an RM. The editor who created these categories moved all the articles in Category:University of the Chinese Academy of Sciences and its subcats to them. Given the same editor has just moved the article against the decision of the RM (ergo I moved it back), this is clearly not uncontroversial enough for a speedy. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:10, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting Category:University of Chinese Academy of Sciences
 * Propose deleting Category:University of Chinese Academy of Sciences faculty
 * Propose deleting Category:University of Chinese Academy of Sciences alumni
 * Merge Category:University of Chinese Academy of Sciences to Category:University of the Chinese Academy of Sciences per University of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, merge Category:University of Chinese Academy of Sciences faculty to Category:University of the Chinese Academy of Sciences faculty, merge Category:University of Chinese Academy of Sciences alumni to Category:University of the Chinese Academy of Sciences alumni. Oculi (talk) 13:22, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per Oculi. --Just N. (talk) 13:24, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per Oculi. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:10, 5 November 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Mental health law in Canada

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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge.  bibliomaniac  1  5  19:27, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: upmerge, only two articles in the category and it is not part of an extensive by-country tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:17, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Mental health law in Canada to Category:Mental health law, Category:Mental health in Canada and Category:Health law in Canada
 * Merge as WP:SOFTDELETE, i.e. without prejudice to re-creation if additional relevant articles are created. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:37, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom and Fayenatic. --Just N. (talk) 13:26, 4 November 2021 (UTC)


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