Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 October 30



Category:Wives of Tiberius

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:37, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Tiberius was only married twice. ★Trekker (talk) 21:19, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Wives of Tiberius to Category:Wives of Roman emperors
 * Delete (i.e. do not merge), they were the wife of Tiberias before he became emperor. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:52, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment And? Its still the primary reason why tons of women are known.★Trekker (talk) 22:30, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The primary reason why these are known is that they were the wife of Tiberius before he was emperor. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:30, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, and again why would that matter. They are defined historically as the wives of a man who was Roman emperor.★Trekker (talk) 12:09, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Grutness... wha?   23:19, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose This would remove them from parent category Category:Tiberius. Dimadick (talk) 05:07, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Very good point, Category:Tiberius should be the merge target rather than Category:Wives of Roman emperors. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:30, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * They're both now in Category:Family of Tiberius.★Trekker (talk) 12:09, 31 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:38, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Wives of Roman emperors, as well as add them to Category:Family of Tiberius. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 19:30, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 15:35, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Upmerge. Too small to form a useful category. Celia Homeford (talk) 10:19, 8 November 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Musically Cross-Dominant Wikipedians

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:30, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Populated by User:Laughingdog/ambidex, which says This user is left handed, but plays musical instruments right handed. This unusually specific category is just as useless for collaboration as Category:Left-handed Wikipedians, which was deleted in 2007, et al. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:53, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting musically cross-dominant wikipedians
 * 'Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 15:36, 5 November 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Cricket Wikipedians
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 November 7%23Category:Cricket Wikipedians

Category:Israeli Jewish women singers
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 December 16%23Category:Israeli Jewish women singers

Category:Nicknames of kings

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:28, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: upmerge, only 1 article in the category. Note that many kings have been listified in Category:Lists of people by epithet. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:35, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Nicknames of kings to Category:Nicknames
 * Support - per nominator, makes good sense JarrahTree 07:56, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - the one article in the cat was actually on a race horse (Old Rowley) rather than the king (Charles II of England ) who took his nickname from the horse, so I removed the cat. Nicknames of monarchs are already in a list - List of monarchs by nickname, and I'm struggling to see the point of having a cat called "Nicknames of kings" as the articles would need to be on the nickname itself, rather than the king (or a racehorse after which the king w as named). Perhaps if the cat were named Category:Monarchs with nicknames it could serve some purpose, but not as currently named. SilkTork (talk) 13:54, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Such a renamed/rescoped category would fail WP:TRIVIALCAT and arguably also WP:SHAREDNAME. Since there's already a list, deletion is the best option. Grutness... wha?   13:59, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Empty category. Unlikely ever to be needed as we do not need to have separate articles about each individual kings' nickname. These are covered in articles about individual kings and the list article is perfectly adequate for anybody wanting to have them all collated together. --DanielRigal (talk) 15:16, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * (as nom) agree with deletion too. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:53, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Even if Category:Lists of people by epithet will possibly not found by non-historians or other academics (lots of people won't know what epithet means) it fulfills the encylopedic requirements. --Just N. (talk) 15:44, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Empty and near duplication. Celia Homeford (talk) 10:20, 8 November 2021 (UTC)


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Mental illness in fiction

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename per nom, while acknowledging that future discussion per Fayenatic's suggestions might be necessary as well.  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:04, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Mental illness in fiction to Category:Mental disorders in fiction
 * Propose renaming Category:Novels about mental illnesses to Category:Novels about mental disorders
 * Propose renaming Category:Short stories about mental illness to Category:Short stories about mental disorders
 * Propose renaming Category:Songs about mental illness to Category:Songs about mental disorders
 * Propose renaming Category:Mental illness in television to Category:Mental disorders in television
 * Propose renaming Category:Television episodes about mental illnesses to Category:Television episodes about mental disorders
 * Propose renaming Category:Video games about mental illness to Category:Video games about mental disorders
 * Nominator's rationale: rename per WP:C2D, Mental illness redirects to Mental disorders. An incomplete version of the nomination was opposed at WP:CFDS. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:11, 30 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Category:Mental illness in fiction to Category:Mental disorders in fiction, C2D per Mental disorders in fiction, renamed per RM. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:12, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Category:Novels about mental illnesses to Category:Novels about mental disorders, C2D: Mental illness redirects to Mental disorder. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:04, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
 * These are not simple. I think a full discussion would be desirable. There are subcats using "mental illness". "Mental health" might be better, or keeping the current name. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:11, 24 October 2021 (UTC)


 * courtesy ping to contributor to speedy discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:11, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Support The main article is mental disorder. Dimadick (talk) 05:09, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. However, conditionally to change Category:Mental illness in fiction to Category:Fiction about mental disorders and Category:Mental illness in television to Category:Television about mental disorders as otherwise they do not match the rest.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 14:30, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * (as nom) Yes that will be a further improvement. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:54, 31 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Support per nom Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:41, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Split Category:Mental illness in fiction to Category:Mental disorders in fiction (as nominated, for the disorder-related sub-cats) and the parent Category:Mental health in fiction (for the articles and the medium-related sub-cats), since fictional treatments may not be about specific mental disorders. Perhaps Category:Mental health in fiction should be nominated for renaming (or splitting?) to Category:Fiction about mental health. For the nominated sub-cats, ALT rename to "mental health" rather than "mental disorders", e.g. Category:Mental illness in television to Category:Television about mental health. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:23, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
 * This should probably be a separate proposal after this one is complete. We don't want a WP:TRAINWRECK debating over a proposal that will stop the original proposal from going through. I think it's clear that "mental disorders" is better than "mental illness" but whether it should be further changed is a matter of debate. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 21:46, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The first part of the alt proposal coincides is still very much in line with the nominated proposal but adds "if an article or subcategory clearly does not belong in Category:Fiction about mental disorders (or Category:Mental disorders in fiction) then let's move it to the parent". That is obviously no problem. I agree with Zxcvbnm that the second part of the alt proposal is more something for a fresh discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:36, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * If this discussion is closed per nomination, but without ruling out further discussion of the sub-cats, I have no objection. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:00, 11 November 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedians who have received a Co-op invitation

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:03, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Co-op is marked as historical * Pppery * it has begun... 03:14, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians who have received a co-op invitation
 * Delete oer nom. --Just N. (talk) 15:47, 5 November 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedians who like Marvel Comics

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:49, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Single-user category, questionable collaborative value, the appropriately-named Category:Wikipedians who read Marvel Comics already exists. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:50, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians who like marvel comics
 * Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 15:48, 5 November 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Tennis players of Lebanese descent

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:08, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary category, can be merged. Nehme1499 02:33, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Tennis players of Lebanese descent to Category:Sportspeople of Lebanese descent
 * Support per WP:TRIVIAL, per nom. That said this category is somewhat well populated, and I would be open to reconsidering my !vote if some article came up making a link between Lebanese ancestry and playing tennis. As of now however I can find no such thing. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 19:08, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:EGRS Unlike nationality, being of Lebanese ethnicity is not a defining characteristic of tennis players (or practitioners of any other sport for that matter). Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:48, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 15:48, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Alternative nomination
 * Propose deleting Category:Tennis players of Lebanese descent
 * Propose deleting Category:Sportspeople of Lebanese descent
 * So this includes the parent category. I have tagged that category too. courtesy ping to earlier participants in the discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:00, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment there are very few occupations where a practitioner's ethnicity is even significant, nevermind defining. In sport a person's nationality is often clearly a defining characteristic, but ethnicity is only rarely worth a mention. In the US the first black/African-American person (or sometimes the first Jewish person) to do something or hold a certain position might be significant, but that's pretty much all there is to the intersection of occupation and ethnicity. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:01, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, as Category:Sportspeople of Lebanese descent is one of the most populated categories of Category:Sportspeople by ethnicity, which also includes similar categories for Afghanistan, India, China, Vietnam, Tajikistan, etc... Nehme</b><b style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:80%;color:#27B382">1499</b> 13:37, 7 November 2021 (UTC)


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