Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 October 5



Category:Roman Catholic churches in Nicosia

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Roman Catholic churches in Nicosia, Sicily.  ✗  plicit  05:01, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting roman catholic churches in nicosia
 * Nominator's rationale: Delete - WP:SMALLCAT. Despite the name, the category is for churches in Nicosia, Sicily, not Nicosia, the capital of Cyprus. Nicosia in Sicily is a town of about 13,000 people. We don't have even . Seems like a clear case of WP:SMALLCAT to me. - Darwinek (talk) 23:40, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I propose altering renaming this entry to Roman Catholic churches in Nicosia, Sicily. The website for Tourism in the region lists 19 churches in the town. Most of them over 300 years old. Rococo1700 (talk) 02:37, 6 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Upmerge both this and Category:Roman Catholic churches in Enna‎ (also a SMALLCAT) to the parent Category:Churches in the province of Enna. No Great Shaker (talk) 04:26, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment, four more articles have been added but they are all four dependent on a single source which may not meet reliability standards. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:44, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename to per Nicosia, Sicily. Five articles is usually enough to keep a category. There is now a parent category for this and  at . If consensus is to delete, then all articles should be upmerged into, , and . Grutness...  wha?   10:58, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename to . The churches are notable examples of baroque architecture. I'm sure it will not be a difficult matter to find additional sources. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:00, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I corrected your template link to a category link when I corrected my own post, - I hope you don't mind! Grutness...  wha?   11:10, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Actually I had in mind Noto, Sicily!. Nevertheless, they are very pretty churches. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:03, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename to per Nicosia, Sicily. Oculi (talk) 20:29, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Support renaming per Laurel. Dhawangupta (talk) 14:27, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. We don't need extra categories for small towns that not even have enough importance to have an own category. --Just N. (talk) 14:55, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * In all fairness, there is a Category:Nicosia, Sicily out there, so this is not a valid argument. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:01, 11 October 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Japanese people with non-standard romanized names

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  ✗  plicit  05:01, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting japanese people with non-standard romanized names
 * Nominator's rationale: Is this defining - or defined? Rathfelder (talk) 18:52, 5 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:SHAREDNAME - this is categorisation by a characteristic of the name, not the person. Oculi (talk) 21:02, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and Oculi. Strange idea which is non-defining. No Great Shaker (talk) 04:23, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Question -- Is this an administrative category, with some administrative use? Peterkingiron (talk) 15:41, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and Oculi. --Just N. (talk) 14:56, 11 October 2021 (UTC)


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Category:South Louisiana Pipeliners

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:19, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting south louisiana pipeliners
 * Nominator's rationale: Category for a long defunct sports team with just one entry and a subcategory. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 15:48, 5 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. WP:SMALLCAT applies. No Great Shaker (talk) 04:21, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. There are many other similar categories created by User:Spatms that could also be added here.--User:Namiba 13:51, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 14:56, 11 October 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Television shows set in West Covina, California

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:23, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Television shows set in West Covina, California to Category:Television shows set in Los Angeles County, California
 * Nominator's rationale: Category with just one entry. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 15:45, 5 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. SMALLCAT applies. No Great Shaker (talk) 04:20, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 14:57, 11 October 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Kingdoms and countries of Austria-Hungary

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  19:36, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Kingdoms and countries of Austria-Hungary to Category:Subdivisions of Austria-Hungary
 * Nominator's rationale: Ambiguous use of the word "countries". The category includes kingdoms, archduchies, duchies, margraviates, princely counties and free cities. They are all just subdivisions. Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:06, 5 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Misleading title. No Great Shaker (talk) 14:26, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom, they were crown lands. The subcategories may be removed, most of the content of e.g. Category:Duchy of Styria is medieval or early modern rather than of the 19th century. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:44, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Grutness... wha?   12:32, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 14:58, 11 October 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Sports teams in Morgan City, Louisiana

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:30, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Sports teams in Morgan City, Louisiana to Category:Morgan City, Louisiana
 * Nominator's rationale: Per SMALLCAT, this category contains only 1 article and an eponymously named category. Category:Sports in Morgan City, Louisiana has no articles of its own and can be deleted if this goes through. User:Namiba 13:47, 5 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. SMALLCAT applies. No Great Shaker (talk) 14:28, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Support, with no prejudice against recreation if and when (there are some defunct baseball teams from Morgan City). I went through all these "Sports by US cities" categories recently and populated them where I could. Some of them just couldn't be expanded - including this one. Grutness... wha?   00:33, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 14:58, 11 October 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Sports in Plymouth, Minnesota

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:39, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Sports in Plymouth, Minnesota to Category:Plymouth, Minnesota
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category contains only a single article. User:Namiba 13:45, 5 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. SMALLCAT applies. No Great Shaker (talk) 14:27, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Support, with no prejudice against recreation if and when. I went through all these "Sports by US cities" categories recently and populated them where I could. Some of them just couldn't be expanded - including this one. Grutness... wha?   00:33, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Support I agree the category is not that big. Dhawangupta (talk) 14:29, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 14:59, 11 October 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Multiplayer and single-player video games

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:44, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting multiplayer and single-player video games
 * Nominator's rationale: A majority of games with multiplayer elements also have single player elements. There are few games that only have multiplayer modes. This category is best under multiplayer games. (Oinkers42) (talk) 15:21, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Are you effectively saying that we should upmerge to Category:Multiplayer games? That category has only 366 entries compared with 3,885 in the single-player equivalent, but it appears that either of those categories would be suitable for the contents of this combined one. Taking Alien Rage as a random example, it is a member of the combined category but not in either of the other two. Do you think it should be added to both? No Great Shaker (talk) 15:47, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I realized halfway through that an upmerge to Category:Multiplayer games would be better. (Oinkers42) (talk) 15:56, 27 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Oppose There are multiplayer games without a single-player element. I.E. there is zero A.I. and the only thing you can fight against is other players, there is simply no way to play these games by yourself. Even modern ones like Battlefield 2042 fall into this category. While they could be upmerged to the categories for single and multiplayer games, there would then be no good way of figuring out which games share both categories, so it would be a net loss of information for no good reason.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 08:14, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
 * People tend to refer to games like Splatoon (video game) and Mario Kart 64, which have both multiplayer and single-player elements, as multiplayer games. The only cases where the inverse is true is cases where the multplayer takes up such a marginal usage that they are basically a single player game, ie. Super Mario Galaxy. Either way, there is no way to make this category without leaving Category:Multiplayer games almost empty, with only a few exceptions. (Oinkers42) (talk) 15:30, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think I'd refer to either Splatoon OR Mario Kart as a multiplayer game. I'd say they are singleplayer/multiplayer games. The fact is that whether to call them multiplayer or singleplayer when they have both is totally subjective and they should simply be sorted by having both modes. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 06:40, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete' per nom. Reasons given are IMHO convincing. --Just N. (talk) 15:00, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - There are a lot of multiplayer-only games, and a lot of modern mainstream popular ones (Overwatch, Fall Guys, Among Us, Team Fortress 2, Fortnite, etc). A category that differentiates videogames with both singleplayer and multiplayer from those with only multiplayer seems apt. There are comparatively much fewer games that have only multiplayer as compared to games with both modes, but the number of multiplayer-only games is not insignificant and I think justifies the distinction. Waxworker (talk) 18:14, 12 October 2021 (UTC)


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Counter categories depdendent on deleted/redirect categories

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:49, 13 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting monthly clean-up category (pages needing music examples) counter
 * Propose deleting monthly clean-up category (articles to be redirected) counter
 * Propose deleting monthly clean-up category (articles with excessive further reading sections) counter
 * Nominator's rationale Contested G8 (for the first two). Category:Pages needing music examples, Category:Articles to be redirected, and Category:Articles with excessive further reading sections (and their monthly subcategories) were deleted or redirected because the templates that populated them (Template:Stub-redirect, Template:Music-examples, and Template:Too much further reading were deleted or redirected at TfD), meaning these counter categories are no longer counting anything. * Pppery * it has begun...


 * If they are no longer counting anything and are simply left over shreds from a legitimate deletion, they can be deleted. However, it would be worth hearing from User: Liz as to why they have objected to deletion (or to the deletion process selected). If it was simply that the wording warns against deletion, then perhaps we can look into putting a note into the documentation of templates such as Template:Counter category that deletion is acceptable in certain circumstances, such as a G8. My assumption is that a legitimate G8 would always over-ride a warning that no longer applies (the warning in this case applies to a working category rather than a redundant one, so the warning is no longer valid as these categories have been made redundant by the deletion of their related templates); however, it would be worthwhile clarifying if that is the case - and putting a note into documentation (either way) to confirm what can or can't be done. SilkTork (talk) 11:12, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Could you please respond to this? * Pppery * it has begun... 04:22, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Completely pointless CfD. They should have researched or even talked with the nom before reverting it, regardless of the pointless "empty tag". Gonnym (talk) 20:52, 12 October 2021 (UTC)


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