Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 October 9



Category:AFC U-16 Championship qualification

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep.  ✗  plicit  00:51, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:AFC U-16 Championship qualification to Category:AFC U-16 Championship qualifications
 * Nominator's rationale: More than one qualification Gjs238 (talk) 17:51, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 13:43, 10 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Oppose per and subcats. GiantSnowman 13:45, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose per GS above. Need to retain consistency in naming. No Great Shaker (talk) 13:50, 10 October 2021 (UTC)


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Category:A.C. Pisa 1909

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.  ✗  plicit  00:51, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:A.C. Pisa 1909 to Category:Pisa S.C.
 * Propose renaming Category:A.C. Pisa 1909 players to Category:Pisa S.C. players
 * Propose renaming Category:A.C. Pisa 1909 managers to Category:Pisa S.C. managers
 * Nominator's rationale: The club changed its name to Pisa S.C. in August 2021. I think it makes sense to rename the categories so they fit the name of the club (just like the page has been moved to its new name). Bocanegra (talk) 15:28, 9 October 2021 (UTC)


 * . Something seems to have gone wrong here. You appear to have mixed rename of American reggaeton artists with renaming the three A.C. Pisa 1909 categories. No Great Shaker (talk) 16:10, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * . Whoops - sorry! Corrected it now Bocanegra (talk) 16:13, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Ha, no problem. No Great Shaker (talk) 16:17, 9 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Rename all per nom to comply with name of club article. No Great Shaker (talk) 16:18, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 13:44, 10 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Support per CFDS C2D, match parent article name. GiantSnowman 13:46, 10 October 2021 (UTC)


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Category:European Court of Human Rights case law by involved country

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep.  ✗  plicit  00:51, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights case law by involved country to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases by respondent state
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving Armenia‎ to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases against Armenia‎
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving Austria‎ to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases against Austria‎
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving Azerbaijan‎ to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases against Azerbaijan‎
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving Belgium‎ to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases against Belgium‎
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving Bosnia and Herzegovina‎ to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases against Bosnia and Herzegovina‎
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving Bulgaria‎ to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases against Bulgaria‎
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving Croatia‎ to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases against Croatia‎
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving Cyprus‎ to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases against Cyprus‎
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving the Czech Republic‎ to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases against the Czech Republic‎
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving Denmark‎ to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases against Denmark‎
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving Estonia‎ to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases against Estonia‎
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving France‎ to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases against France‎
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving Georgia (country)‎ to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases against Georgia (country)‎
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving Germany‎ to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases against Germany‎
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving Greece‎ to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases against Greece‎
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving Ireland‎ to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases against Ireland‎
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving Italy‎ to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases against Italy‎
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving Latvia‎ to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases against Latvia‎
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving Lithuania‎ to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases against Lithuania‎
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving Moldova‎ to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases against Moldova‎
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving the Netherlands‎ to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases against the Netherlands‎
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving North Macedonia‎ to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases against North Macedonia‎
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving Norway‎ to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases against Norway‎
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving Poland‎ to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases against Poland‎
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving Romania‎ to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases against Romania‎
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving Russia‎ to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases against Russia‎
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving San Marino‎ to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases against San Marino‎
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving Slovakia‎ to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases against Slovakia‎
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving Slovenia‎ to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases against Slovenia‎
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving Spain‎ to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases against Spain‎
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving Sweden‎ to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases against Sweden‎
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving Switzerland‎ to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases against Switzerland‎
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving Turkey‎ to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases against Turkey‎
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving Ukraine‎ to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases against Ukraine‎
 * Propose renaming Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving the United Kingdom‎ to Category:European Court of Human Rights cases against the United Kingdom‎
 * Nominator's rationale: The language "involving" is too vague here. It is possible for a state to be involved in a case in a number of ways. Most of the cases in these categories mean that the case was filed against the state in question, or "respondent state" is the most commonly used term in reliable sources. But it's also possible for a state to file a case against another state, e.g. Greek case or Cyprus v. Turkey. In addition, a state can intervene as a third party in a case, which would not be defining for the case (imo). Furthermore, the word "country" introduces needless confusion when all cases are filed against sovereign states. Scotland is a country, but if the Scottish Government violates your human rights, you have to file a case against the UK. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  09:11, 27 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Question, are all articles in these categories a case of "against"? If that is not the case the nomination will also require purging. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:24, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I don't think the current names need amendment as exceptions will be inevitable if we use "against". For example, have there been any international cases (country v country)? As regards Scotland and Wales, they are part of the UK and the UK as a whole has ultimate responsibility for the actions of the devolved governments. I don't see a problem with Category:European Court of Human Rights case law by involved country but perhaps it could be changed to Category:European Court of Human Rights case law by sovereign state to be strictly correct? No Great Shaker (talk) 10:42, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * exceptions will be inevitable if we use "against" I'm not sure what you mean here? The point is to have an unambiguous scope, classifying the cases by the state(s) they were filed against. The current category names don't make it clear what cases the state is "involved" in, which can mean a lot of different things as mentioned above. have there been any international cases (country v country)?  Yes, there have been, I mentioned them in the nomination. I don't agree with Category:European Court of Human Rights case law by sovereign state because it is as vague as "involved" which cases are classified by which state.
 * Re, The categories are in serious need of purging due to containing articles that are not ECHR cases. There may be a few that are misclassified based on not being against the state in question, but not very many. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  21:17, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * My question has probably become moot while the nomination is opposed. Hoever articles that are not ECHR cases should be purged irrespective of the nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:43, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I've just tagged all the categories, so I am relisting
 * Oppose It's not broken. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:24, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  15:10, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The nominator's rationale clearly identifies the problem with this CfD: currently, Cyprus v. Turkey is correctly in the Cyprus and Turkey categories. On what basis is that "too vague"? It serves a curious reader for it to be so categorised, unless a reason can be identified why a reader should not find out that Cyprus was involved in Cyprus v. Turkey. They'll know from the case title itself that they weren't the respondent state. Absent such a reason, it seems a perfectly reasonable categorisation. The non-ECHR cases should obviously be removed regardless of the outcome of the CfD nomination. (On the matter of 'country' vs. 'state' for the parent category, I am completely indifferent.) —Tom Morris (talk) 19:04, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose. As the former writer observed, and as implicitly noted already in the nomination, not all the articles now correctly belonging to the 'involved' categories should be kept in the proposed 'against' categories. What is it that you do not understand about the exceptions, such as the aforementioned Cyprus v Turkey now listed (also) in Category:European Court of Human Rights cases involving Cyprus‎? As far as I can see, there are three ways to handle this problem, in case the 'against' categories are created: 1: The problem may be ignored, leaving the exceptions in categories with wildly inappropriate names; 2: The exeptional articles are removed from the categories, decreasing the use of the categories as search instruments; and 3: The 'against' categories are created, but placed as subcategories of the 'involving' categories, which are retained. In the third alternative, the article Cyprus v Turkey would be moved from 'cases involving Turkey' to 'cases against Turkey', but be retained directly in the 'cases involving Cyprus' category. This alternative certainly is possible, and does not imply introducing grave misnomers or loss of categorisation; but this is not Buidhe's suggestion, and it does seem to introduce a number of categories with no or very few immediate members.  I'm sure you would not accept a move of all members in Category:General elections to the Scottish Parliament to a new-named category Category:General elections to the Scottish Parliament won by the Scottish Nationalist Party, with the argument that this title is more precise, and true for a majority of these elections (in the sense that in four of the six elections the SNP became or remained the largest party in the Parliament, and its leader became/remained prime minister)? IMHO, a more precise category title, which is a clear misnomer for some of its members, is far worse than a more general but correct title. JoergenB (talk) 15:27, 17 October 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Diseases characterized by inflammation

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  ✗  plicit  00:51, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting diseases characterized by inflammation
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, if populated this would create a category of widely varying diseases that have nothing in common with each other but a very frequently occurring symptom. If the category is kept, creator (and maybe other editors) should take the effort populating the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:44, 9 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. The scope of the category is enormous in medical terms. The lone article (a list) is adequately categorised elsewhere. No Great Shaker (talk) 12:18, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Too common, and too diverse in terms of cause, location, and severity, to be a defining trait; the sole member is a list article that is already in Category:Inflammations. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 20:34, 11 October 2021 (UTC)


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