Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 September 13



Category:UEFA Pro Licence holders

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:07, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting uefa pro licence holders
 * Nominator's rationale: Recently, this article was deleted, with WP:INDISCRIMINATE and WP:LISTN being used as arguments. This category is similar to a former category (since deleted) called Category:Association football goalkeepers who have scored, which was turned into an article (List of goalscoring goalkeepers). The issue with this category is that it is incomplete, and that it would be an insanely huge category should it be correct to what is says it is. It's not an exclusive club or anything, as basically any professional football manager in Europe has this licence; Category:Football managers by nationality already exists, why should we need this? It's an indiscriminate category, I believe, and it is not notable to be a holder of the UEFA Pro Licence, as so many professonal football managers have it. My conclusion is that this category should be deleted. Thank you. Paul Vaurie (talk) 23:31, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. The licence is common to the occupation and has no notability per se. The occupation is sufficiently categorised already and so this is an unnecessary and pointless category which, as Paul rightly points out, will degenerate into something that breaches WP:IINFO. No Great Shaker (talk) 12:44, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 18:25, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete - non-defining category. GiantSnowman 18:26, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Western (genre) staples and terminology

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus.  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:08, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Convert Category:Western (genre) staples and terminology to article List of Western genre staples and terminology
 * Nominator's rationale: For the large majority of items in this category (if not all of them) this is not a defining feature. SpinningSpark 07:10, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Oppose This is misnamed as none of the articles are about terminology. These are about the genre's themes. It should be renamed to Category:Western (genre) themes and added as a subcategory to Category:Themes in works of fiction. Dimadick (talk) 08:09, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose This is not a list, and so should not be categorized as such. It is a category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:19, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename as Category:Western (genre) themes per above, and include in Category:Themes in works of fiction. I created the category when I was looking for somewhere to place Western stock characters and it grew from there. I have my own doubts about it but I think renaming it is probably the best option. I'll check the entries in due course when this discussion is complete. Thanks. No Great Shaker (talk) 08:06, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Dimadick- --Just N. (talk) 22:23, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NONDEF, hardly any of the articles is about western as a genre of of fiction. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:38, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment - I think this cat needs major cleanup if kept. For one thing, it's an overlap of several other cats like Category:Western wear and Category:American frontier; and seems to be trying to include a lot of things already linked in Western (genre). If Western (genre) didn't already exist, then I would lean towards Listify, but as it does, Delete. Note: these are not themes. These are genre elements. - jc37 13:11, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  bibliomaniac 1  5  18:42, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedia Contribution Team members

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:07, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikipedia contribution team members
 * Nominator's rationale: Contribution Team is marked as historical * Pppery * it has begun... 13:56, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Pointless category. No Great Shaker (talk) 12:46, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:WikiProject Senior Wikipedians supporters

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:07, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikiproject senior wikipedians supporters
 * Nominator's rationale: Inappropriate advocacy user category. * Pppery * it has begun... 13:47, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


 * As a Senior Wikipedian, I do not see a need for this. --Bduke (talk) 00:15, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Same here, ha! No Great Shaker (talk) 12:47, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete for now: This category will be recreated when we solicit supporters for Senior Wikipedians. See Categories for discussion/Log/2021 September 12. Yours aye, Buaidh  talk e-mail 15:22, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, WikiProjects do not have supporters, they have participants. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:55, 18 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:ProgRock Records albums

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:07, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting progrock records albums
 * Nominator's rationale: The article about ProgRock Records was deleted through AFD. Does not seem like a relevant categorization. Geschichte (talk) 10:43, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. No Great Shaker (talk) 12:31, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional characters by occupation and gender

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. Withdraw by nom, accidental nomination. (non-admin closure) ZXCVBNM (TALK) 07:44, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional characters by occupation and gender
 * Nominator's rationale: Delete as being an unnecessary cross-categorization. We already have Category:Fictional characters by gendered occupation for this. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 10:38, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:OVERCAT. No Great Shaker (talk) 12:32, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose, this is a container category, correctly grouping various subcategories about fictional characters by occupation and gender. If anything, Category:Fictional characters by gendered occupation should be dispersed between Category:Fictional females by occupation and Category:Fictional males by occupation. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:20, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Male superheroes
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 October 1%23Category:Male superheroes

Category:Powered exoskeletons in fiction

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:10, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting powered exoskeletons in fiction
 * Propose deleting powered exoskeletons in comics
 * Propose deleting powered exoskeletons in film
 * Propose deleting powered exoskeletons in television
 * Propose deleting powered exoskeletons in video games
 * Nominator's rationale: Delete per WP:NONDEF. None of the works in question are defined by their inclusion of powered armor. Even games like Halo are "about" the Halo ringworlds and Covenant invasion, not Master Chief's armor. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 07:55, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete all per nom and upmerge articles where necessary. No Great Shaker (talk) 12:37, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete all - this is not a defining element even in media where they are featured prominently.--AlexandraIDV 11:11, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Law in fiction

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 12:54, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Law in fiction to Category:Legal fiction
 * Nominator's rationale: Per categories like Category:Legal films. More clearly defining criteria for inclusion. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 07:41, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Support. Current title is poor English as legal is the accepted adjective. No Great Shaker (talk) 12:39, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Legal proceedings in fiction for clarity. - jc37 14:24, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Legal fiction has a distinctly different meaning. Far too ambiguous.  Rathfelder (talk) 22:09, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment See the main article legal fiction and its definition: "a fact assumed or created by courts, which is then used in order to help reach a decision or to apply a legal rule. The concept is used almost exclusively in common law jurisdictions, particularly in England." Dimadick (talk) 06:31, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Very strongly oppose -- "Legal fiction" has a definite meaning in law, which is completely unrelated to novels/films etc. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:56, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Peterkingiron. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 17:08, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:2021 in Scottish women's football
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:2021–22 in Scottish women's football.  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:10, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:2021 in Scottish women's football to Category:2021–22 in Scottish women's football
 * Nominator's rationale: Women's football in Scotland moved to a winter season format in autumn 2020, following the cancellation of the 2020 summer season. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 06:15, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Support. Also for compatibility with title of main article. No Great Shaker (talk) 12:42, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 18:26, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. GiantSnowman 18:27, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:High school football competitions in the United States
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 October 1%23Category:High school football competitions in the United States

Category:Protected areas of the Southern California area
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename but to Category:Protected areas of Southern California, WP:C2C with siblings in Category:Southern California. The discrepancy between the MOS and the usage within the article needs addressing, and has been raised on the article talk page. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:43, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Protected areas of the Southern California area to Category:Protected areas of southern California
 * Nominator's rationale: Having "area" twice in the name of a category sounds strange, especially since "southern California" is usually used as a stand-alone term, without "area" appended to it. Crossover1370  (talk &#124; contribs) 00:14, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. Probably a mistake that could be speedy corrected. No Great Shaker (talk) 12:47, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Question. We actually have a discrepancy between MOS:COMPASS, which says that Southern California is an example that's consistently capitalized, and the article, where local consensus currently does not capitalize "southern." Personally, I agree with the MOS, but that might be a discussion for another venue. Definitely support the elimination of the latter "area" for this cat though.  bibliomaniac 1  5  01:14, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Films set in Toulouse
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Films set in France.  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:10, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Films set in Toulouse to Category:Films set in France
 * Nominator's rationale: Category with just one entry. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 00:03, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. You snooze, you Toulouse...  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 07:15, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Doubt if it could ever be much expanded. No Great Shaker (talk) 12:50, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


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