Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 September 14



Category:Sports in X, California

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 17:34, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Sports in Fremont, California to Category:Fremont, California
 * Propose merging Category:Sports in Simi Valley, California to Category:Simi Valley, California
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Categories contain only 2-3 articles and aren't likely to significantly grow in the near future. No opposition to recreation if more articles exist. User:Namiba 13:33, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional female ninja

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. This is not "no consensus", because the rationale against the nomination seems to have persuaded the later participants. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:50, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Fictional female ninja to Category:Fictional kunoichi
 * Nominator's rationale: Per main article kunoichi and marking it as a specific gendered occupation. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 08:17, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom for correct term. No Great Shaker (talk) 12:48, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. To match the main article. Dimadick (talk) 16:14, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose renaming the common easily understood Category:Fictional female ninja into a name most won't recognize or be able to pronounce. This is why we don't call ninja by the more proper name of shinobi, we go by common easily understood by English speaking audience names. Ninja   D r e a m Focus  23:20, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Then please start an WP:RM on kunoichi asking for it to be changed to female ninja. If so, I will have no problem leaving the category as is. Of course, you and I both know that is heavily doubtful to succeed. If that is the case, why should the category be a different name than the main article? ZXCVBNM (TALK) 08:40, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Did you actually read that article? Calling these fictional characters kunoichi would be a very clear case of WP:OR. - jc37 15:20, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose per rationale provided by Dream Focus. Haleth (talk) 02:10, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment, most articles in this category about American fiction use "assassin" or "female ninja" while the few articles about Japanese fiction use "kunoichi". Marcocapelle (talk) 04:44, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose following the argumentation of Dream Focus. I think it's good that kunoichi is linked in the description (which could be expanded by a short explanation, if this is deemed helpful), but ninja as category name is much more helpful for persons like me. - I sure have seen ninjas featured in (American) pieces of fiction, but had never heard of that term before. Daranios (talk) 20:15, 26 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional sportspeople by gender

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:37, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional sportspeople by gender
 * Propose deleting fictional male sportspeople
 * Propose deleting fictional male martial artists
 * Propose deleting fictional female sportspeople
 * Propose deleting fictional female bodybuilders
 * Propose deleting fictional female martial artists
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEF, gender is not defining for fictional athletes unless the occupation is gendered (there is a category for that already). Category:Fictional female ninja should be renamed as Category:Fictional kunoichi, marking it as a specific gendered occupation, and thus it is defining and should not be deleted. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 08:10, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Upmerge articles into relevant gender-free categories. No Great Shaker (talk) 12:51, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose Aren't sports teams divided by gender anyway? Dimadick (talk) 16:16, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * We're talking about individuals, not sports teams. While they may be on an all-male or all-female team, their gender is not defining for the character. Anyway, not all bodybuilders or martial artists, or sportspeople in general are on a "team", so that does not broadly apply. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 16:29, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose - as people are divided into and  I don't see why fictional sportspeople should be treated differently. Oculi (talk) 18:57, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose As mentioned in AFDs the nominator started, Wikipedia divides a lot of people into gender. Category:Female bodybuilders Category:Female martial artists etc. The real ones are divided by gender, the fictional ones should be as well. Also oppose renaming the common easily understood Category:Fictional female ninja into a name most won't recognize or be able to pronounce.   D r e a m Focus  23:09, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete the Martial arts ones - not per nom - but as just waaaay too broad. For one thing this mixes combatants in with sports enthusiasts. For another, both fencing and Sumo wrestling are martial arts. This is really broad. I think this is broad enough to be considered WP:SHAREDNAME. Oppose the rest. (sportspeople cats should be tagged with Template:container / Template:Diffusion.) - jc37 16:21, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose Like Oculi, I think this should follow the division existing for real persons. Daranios (talk) 20:11, 26 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Psychiatric diagnosis: marginal or unestablished diagnostic categories

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Mental and behavioural disorders. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:35, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Psychiatric diagnosis: marginal or unestablished diagnostic categories to Category:Unestablished psychiatric diagnoses
 * Nominator's rationale: The current category name is in a strange subset format that I haven't seen elsewhere on here. ~ ฅ(ↀωↀ&#61;) neko-channyan 05:58, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. No Great Shaker (talk) 12:53, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Psychiatric diseases and disorders Category:Mental and behavioural disorders as a prime example of WP:OCMISC. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:30, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * They're not quite miscellaneous because their whole thing is how none of the disorders in this category are formally described ~ ฅ(ↀωↀ&#61;) neko-channyan 23:25, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Lots of articles in Category:Mental and behavioural disorders are about disorders with an unclear formal status. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:24, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per Marcocapelle  - jc37 16:25, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per Marcocapelle.Tom (LT) (talk) 23:15, 21 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Hindavi people

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. I checked the members and they are all Indo-Trinidadians, except for one who I re-categorised as being of that descent. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:19, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting hindavi people
 * Nominator's rationale: I've never really been sure what to make of this category, since there's no Hindavi or Hindavi people article to help understand. It is used as a category for Indo-Trinidadian people, and is a subcat of category:Trinidad and Tobago people of Indian descent. The first problem is that I've never heard us described that way. Hindavi redirects to a dab page, which lists Hindustani language as a possible target. But linguistically, Indo-Trinidadians were primarily Bhojpuri speakers; though commonly called "Hindi" in Trinidad and Tobago, Bhojpuri is an Eastern Indo-Aryan language while Hindustani is is classified as a Central Indo-Aryan language, so as I understand it, this category as applied is both incorrect and WP:OR. Guettarda (talk) 03:57, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Trinidad and Tobago people of Indian descent per WP:NONDEF, most articles do not use this term at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:09, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to category:Trinidad and Tobago people of Indian descent., you are right but it would be best to change nomination from delete to merge. Thanks. No Great Shaker (talk) 12:57, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * - I don't think an upmerge would be appropriate because "Hindavi people" shouldn't be an subcat of Indo-Trinidadian people. If it were to exist at all, cat:Hindavi people would subcat of Category:Indian people by ethnicity or Category:Indian people by period. Guettarda (talk) 14:30, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge, purging as necessary. All those I sampled were Indo-Trinidadian, except one Canadian politician who was of that descent.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:02, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


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