Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 September 17



Category:Athletics Asian Indoor champions templates

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:23, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Athletics Asian Indoor champions templates to Category:Asian Indoor Athletics Championships navigational boxes
 * Nominator's rationale: Upmerge since the parent only has this category in it. Alternatively, it could be renamed to Category:Asian Indoor Athletics Championships winners navigational boxes if the current structure is to be maintained for growth of the parent cat. -- 2pou (talk) 23:00, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Category:Athletics Asian Indoor champions templates to Category:Athletics Asian Indoor champions navigational boxes – C2C. 2pou (talk) 07:38, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Top category is "Asian Indoor Athletics Championships". --Gonnym (talk) 08:31, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Better to go to a full upmerge discussion to Category:Asian Indoor Athletics Championships navigational boxes? (Though some of these others have event-based navboxes in the parent category, this one does not.) Else Category:Asian Indoor Athletics Championships winners suggests Category:Asian Indoor Athletics Championships winners navigational boxes -2pou (talk) 11:03, 10 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Support as C2C, I oppose upmerge to the parent as there is a fully developed tree at Category:Athletics champions navigational boxes. SFB 16:50, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Support rename per nom. Gonnym (talk) 18:23, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Support rename per nom. --Just N. (talk) 15:00, 24 September 2021 (UTC)


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"Athletics Champions" templates/navboxes

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:28, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:African Champions in Athletics templates to Category:African Championships in Athletics winners navigational boxes
 * Propose renaming Category:Asian Athletics Champions templates to Category:Asian Athletics Championships winners navigational boxes
 * Propose renaming Category:Athletics European champions templates to Category:European Athletics Championships winners navigational templates
 * Nominator's rationale: Contested C2C speedy due to another parent category difference. Both discrepancies should be aligned with parents now. -- 2pou (talk) 22:29, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Gonnym (talk) 18:21, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Athletics European Indoor champions templates to Category:European Athletics Indoor Championships winners navigational boxes
 * Nominator's rationale: Contested C2C speedy due to a second parent category difference. The proposed rename is now updated.  I'm not sure why the words were ordered the way they are in the existing name, it doesn't look like the parent article (European Athletics Indoor Championships) had a move/name change behind it. -- 2pou (talk) 22:23, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Category:African Champions in Athletics templates to Category:African Champions in Athletics navigational boxes – C2C. 2pou (talk) 07:43, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Top category is "African Championships in Athletics". --Gonnym (talk) 08:31, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Appears the intent was to use "Champions" to indicate people vice event, though it would no longer be a proper noun. Category:African Championships in Athletics winners navigational boxes is supported by Category:African Championships in Athletics winners (assuming "winners" is excluding silver/bronze). -2pou (talk) 11:03, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Category:Asian Athletics Champions templates to Category:Asian Athletics Champions navigational boxes – C2C. 2pou (talk) 07:40, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Top category is "Asian Athletics Championships". --Gonnym (talk) 08:31, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Category:Asian Athletics Championships winners navigational boxes a la Category:Asian Athletics Championships winners? -2pou (talk) 11:03, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Category:Athletics European champions templates to Category:Athletics European champions navigational boxes – C2C. 2pou (talk) 07:34, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Top category is "European Athletics Championships". --Gonnym (talk) 08:31, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Verbose, but Category:European Athletics Championships winners navigational templates is in line with Category:European Athletics Championships winners. -2pou (talk) 10:37, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Category:Athletics European Indoor champions templates to Category:Athletics European Indoor champions navigational boxes Category:European Athletics Indoor Championships winners navigational boxes – C2C. 2pou (talk) 07:31, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Top category is "European Athletics Indoor Championships". --Gonnym (talk) 08:31, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Verbose, but Category:European Athletics Indoor Championships winners navigational boxes is in line with Category:European Athletics Indoor Championships winners -2pou (talk) 10:37, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Updated per above. -2pou (talk) 20:35, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Support I oppose upmerge to the parent as there is a fully developed tree at Category:Athletics champions navigational boxes. SFB 16:50, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Gonnym (talk) 18:22, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. --Just N. (talk) 15:01, 24 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Gongsun Du and associates
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Category:Disasters in fiction

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Fiction about disasters. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:25, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Disasters in fiction to Category:Disaster fiction
 * Nominator's rationale: The "in" is not necessary, per articles like disaster film. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 19:58, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Oppose This would limit the scope to a single genre. Dimadick (talk) 09:28, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Per WP:NONDEF, if it is not explicitly about disasters, and only contains a disaster as a plot point, it should not be there. That automatically reduces the scope to disaster fiction only. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 10:17, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose Dimadick is right, nominator is once again far from understanding fictional media contents. And his very narrow interpretation of NONDEF is a disaster. --Just N. (talk) 18:11, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Support, the proposed title makes it more clear that only films about disasters should be categorized, not films in which a disaster plays an incidental role. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:21, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Fiction about disasters, per other subcats of Category:Works about disasters. I think "disaster fiction" is less clear without context. - jc37 13:28, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  bibliomaniac 1  5  18:26, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I would also be fine with Category:Fiction about disasters, per Jc37. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:13, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Fiction about disasters per Jc37. No Great Shaker (talk) 09:39, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Fiction about disasters per Jc37. This describes the subject better.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:04, 19 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Sports in X, Louisiana

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:15, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Sports in Opelousas, Louisiana to Category:Opelousas, Louisiana
 * Propose merging Category:Sports teams in Opelousas, Louisiana to Category:Opelousas, Louisiana
 * Propose merging Category:Sports teams in Rayne, Louisiana to Category:Rayne, Louisiana
 * Propose deleting Category:Sports in Rayne, Louisiana to Category:Rayne, Louisiana
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Opelousas is small town which has only 3 articles on sports-related subjects and no active notable team since 1941. Rayne is even smaller and has only 2 related articles. User:Namiba 17:50, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Support with no prejudice against re-creation if and when... I've recently gone through all the small US "sport by town" categories expanding where I could. Some of them just couldn't be expanded at present. Grutness... wha?   04:04, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge all per nom. WP:SMALLCAT applies. No Great Shaker (talk) 09:36, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge all per nom. --Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 13:05, 20 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Athletics World Indoor champions templates

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename as nominated. There are various siblings in Category:Athletics champions navigational boxes that drop "Championships", "Games" etc before "champions"/"winners". – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:46, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Athletics World Indoor champions templates to Category:World Athletics indoor champions navigational boxes
 * Nominator's rationale: Original Speedy discussion: (signing up here to fix timestamp issues) 2pou (talk) 17:29, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Looking for feedback on if the category should follow the exact parent conventions or if changing the name to reflect individuals vice the larger event is ever used. 2pou (talk) 17:27, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Category:Athletics World Indoor champions templates to Category:Athletics World Indoor champions navigational boxes – C2C. 2pou (talk) 07:23, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Top category is "World Athletics Indoor Championships". --Gonnym (talk) 08:31, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I lazily just changed the last word. Looks like the deeper cat was never renamed in 2019, and this unfortunately leads to something verbose (e.g. Category:World Athletics Indoor Championships champions navigational boxes) or slightly unconventional (e.g. Category:World Athletics Indoor Champions navigational boxes / Category:World Athletics indoor champions navigational boxes).  I probably favor the last as World Athletics is at least correctly used as a proper noun. Perhaps not so speedy? -2pou (talk) 10:37, 10 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Rename to match the parent if the intent of the category is to hold templates related to that entity. Gonnym (talk) 18:25, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Question to does that mean you are opining for the "verbose" option listed above? – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:41, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Category:World Athletics Indoor Championships navigational boxes. Gonnym (talk) 17:39, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Earlier you said Rename. Why now do you want instead to merge this separate category for winners templates? – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:00, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I meant that the parent I was referring to was Category:World Athletics Indoor Championships navigational boxes. Anything that derives from it is fine by me. Gonnym (talk) 09:57, 29 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Upcoming car models scheduled for 2022

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 * The result of the discussion was: procedural close. The categories were speedily deleted by the creator's request per G7.  bibliomaniac  1  5  17:30, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting upcoming car models scheduled for 2021
 * Propose deleting upcoming car models scheduled for 2022
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:NOTCRYSTAL, production/sales start dates can and often do change. No merge needed since articles are still in original Upcoming car models category. Vossanova o&lt; 17:16, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep COI because I made these, but these categories were created being split from Category:Cars introduced in 2021 and Category:Cars introduced in 2022, in the same sense that categories such as Category:Upcoming video games scheduled for 2021 exist. Of course a car release date can change, but the release date of any product or media piece can. The cars in the categories are also non-rumored ones, but ones with confirmed dates and I made sure not to add ones that were just pure speculation. Waddles 🗩 🖉 17:21, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - "scheduled for release" is accurate at the present moment, so it's not really crystal balling the way that, say "2022 car models" would be. Grutness... wha?   04:03, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete both per nom. If the cars are produced they will be listed in Category:Cars introduced in 2021 and future years. There is no need for any category that involves speculation of this kind. No Great Shaker (talk) 09:35, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Just going to point out that these were created via discussion at Talk:IM L7, with "Cars introduced in YYYY" is past tense and should not be used for cars that have not yet been introduced. Waddles <b style="color:white">🗩</b> <b style="color:white">🖉</b> 01:30, 19 September 2021 (UTC)


 * If not kept, merge to Category:Upcoming car models, the articles should not be removed from that tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:14, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 15:14, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * If not kept, merge also back to Category:Cars introduced in 2021 and Category:Cars introduced in 2022. This category is a valid part of Category:2022 introductions, within Category:2022 beginnings, and other parts e.g. Category:Buildings and structures completed in 2022 also use anachronistic tenses. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:28, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Even though I created these, I would like them deleted per . Apparently other categories can past-tense names, so these are unnecessary. <b style="color:white">Waddles</b> <b style="color:white">🗩</b> <b style="color:white">🖉</b> 17:33, 30 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Athletics World Cup champions templates
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:16, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Athletics World Cup champions templates to Category:IAAF Continental Cup winners navigational boxes
 * Nominator's rationale: Originally tagged as a speedy C2C rename, but pointed out that there was some additional confusion.  Looks like Atheletics World Cup was rebranded in 2019, and after the page moved, this particular subcat did not follow.  Secondarily, placing into the navbox category tree per the original speedy. 2pou (talk) 17:13, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Category:Athletics World Cup champions templates to Category:Athletics World Cup champions navigational boxes – C2C. 2pou (talk) 07:21, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Per IAAF Continental Cup the name is "IAAF World Cup". Also, Athletics World Cup is something else. --Gonnym (talk) 08:31, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Lots of name changes in here. So perhaps Category:IAAF Continental Cup winners navigational boxes in line with Category:IAAF Continental Cup winners. -2pou (talk) 10:37, 10 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Gonnym (talk) 09:23, 21 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Shopping malls
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Category:Shopping malls by type
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Category:Arab prophets of Islam
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:00, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Arab prophets of Islam to Category:Arab prophets according to Islam
 * Nominator's rationale: option A: rename to clarify that the Arab ethnicity is POV categorization. This option withdrawn after Asmodea Oaktree's comment below. Option B: purge and remove Abraham, Ishmael and Job from the category. In this case the category name can stay as is. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:10, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Purge Abraham, Ishmael and Job. Category:Arab prophets according to Islam is confusing to me. I read it as the POV marker pointig to Prophets not Arab ethnicity. --Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 12:03, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete and move all content to either Category:Prophets of the Quran or Category:Hebrew Bible prophets of the Quran as appropriate. No Great Shaker (talk) 09:13, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * (as nom) This is an even better solution than option B because if Category:Arab prophets of Islam is kept with three articles there is a SMALLCAT issue. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:39, 18 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Marcocapelle: You yourself have suggested this category with the same name in the Category:Prophets of the Qur'an's entry and now you have problem with the category. Hth-Oguz Han (talk) 15:23, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * True. If I had known in advance that the category would also be populated with Abraham, Ishmael and Job I would not have come up with the suggestion. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:39, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * What is wrong in it? Abraham and Ishmael are the ancestor of the Arabs, Arabia includes Maqam Ibrahim and Hijr Ismail, Northern Arabs calls themselves "The people of Abraham and sanctuary of Ishmael", However, Yeah Job is disputed because Edomites are very sometimes considered Arabs, but the prophet Muhammad is the direct descendant of Ishmael s/o Abraham, who is clearly accepted as an Arab, Abraham is considered as the father of both Arabs and Hebrews, thus adding Category:Arab prophets of Islam and Category:Israelite prophets of Islam in Abraham is clearly alright. Hth-Oguz Han (talk)
 * As mentioned in the stricken part of the nomination, this is POV categorization. Abraham and Ishmael are not referred to as Arabs in the Hebrew Bible. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:12, 19 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Abraham is directly or indirectly refered to as the father of Arabs, through his first-born son Ishmael. (Genesis 21:11–13) However, it is not to discuss about Hebrew Bible version, this category is about the Islamic doctrine, in case According to Islam and Judaism, Abraham is the father of Adnanite Arabs and Israelites, in Islam, he rebuilt Kaaba in present day Mecca, and preached the Arabs along with his son Ishmael, further the pre-Islamic Adnanites followed the Hanif monotheistic faith (The Arab Abrahamism). Hth-Oguz Han (talk)


 * Merge Category:Arab prophets of Islam and Category:Israelite prophets of Islam into Category:Prophets of Islam. There are not enough to need two categories.  This avoids the difficulty of how to categorise Abraham ethnically.   Peterkingiron (talk) 16:11, 19 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Agree I also suggest Category:Prophets of Islam, sub-category of Category:Prophecy in Islam, as all the Islamic prophets of each ethnicity will be included. Hth-Oguz Han (talk) 04:41, 20 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I have emptied both categories Category:Arab prophets of Islam and Category:Israelite prophets of Islam and shifted the articles to a new Category:Prophets of Islam now I would suggest to speedy delete the categories. Hth-Oguz Han (talk) 16:06, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Just commenting that, yes, this category is now empty. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:30, 21 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Israelite prophets of Islam
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Hebrew Bible prophets of the Quran. However, where the nominated category contains e.g. David and the target already contains David in Islam, I'm assuming that it is not necessary to merge such corresponding pages about the same character; there are already sufficient other links to navigate between the articles. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:36, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting israelite prophets of islam
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, overlaps with Category:Hebrew Bible prophets of the Quran. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:57, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

a related new discussion can be found here. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:38, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom --Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 12:05, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete and move all content to either Category:Prophets of the Quran or Category:Hebrew Bible prophets of the Quran as appropriate (changed wording to match my suggestion in the case above). No Great Shaker (talk) 09:05, 18 September 2021 (UTC) No Great Shaker (talk) 08:55, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Prophets of Islam as argued in item above. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:12, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Prophets of Islam. --Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 13:20, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment This category has been emptied. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:28, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, it's not empty now. These recent Islam-category discussions are very familiar, there was similar discussions not too long ago. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:49, 22 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Safavid governors of Bitlis
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:41, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Safavid governors of Bitlis to Category:Safavid governors and Category:History of Bitlis
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only one article. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:26, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Upmerge per nom. No Great Shaker (talk) 07:30, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Upmerge per nom. --Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 12:05, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Upmerge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 15:17, 24 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Impact of the Columbine High School massacre on cinema
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:30, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting impact of the columbine high school massacre on cinema
 * Nominator's rationale: Oddly titled WP:NONDEF category containing a smattering of films that had to be tweaked because of then-current events (which was minor in nearly every instance). The nearly identical Category:Media affected by the Columbine High School Massacre was previously deleted for being trivial. Nohomersryan (talk) 07:03, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. No Great Shaker (talk) 07:21, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 12:06, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 15:19, 24 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Impact of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:38, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting impact of the sandy hook elementary school shooting
 * Nominator's rationale: In this category, we have two TV episodes that were delayed, two movies that had postponed premieres, and three songs that were briefly taken off the radio. That's about as WP:NONDEFINING as it gets; all of these works were made or in production well before the shooting even happened and the "impact" is completely forgettable all these years later. The main Sandy Hook category is already pretty small and contains all the "serious" pages that could potentially go here. Nohomersryan (talk) 06:46, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. No Great Shaker (talk) 07:21, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Bduke (talk) 10:40, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 12:06, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting. while in theory there may be enough content for this subcat, the parent is not so overpopulated as to need splitting.  Possibly the headnote of the target needs expanding to explain the extended content.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:15, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. No point in merging, as all of the current members should be purged anyway. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:55, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, don't merge: the parent is equally WP:NOTDEFINING for all these articles. UnitedStatesian (talk) 16:09, 21 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:People from Manitoba by ethnic or national origin
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 * The result of the discussion was: manual merge, to Canadian parent, only where needed. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:13, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting people from manitoba by ethnic or national origin
 * Propose deleting people of asian descent from manitoba
 * Propose deleting filipino people from manitoba
 * Propose deleting canadian people of indian descent from manitoba
 * Propose deleting black canadian people from manitoba
 * Propose deleting people of european descent from manitoba
 * Propose deleting people of eastern european descent from manitoba
 * Propose deleting people of russian descent from manitoba
 * Propose deleting ukrainian people from manitoba
 * Propose deleting icelandic people from manitoba
 * Propose deleting people of irish descent from manitoba
 * Propose deleting scottish people from manitoba
 * Propose deleting people of indigenous peoples descent from manitoba
 * Propose deleting first nations people from manitoba
 * Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization by triple intersection of nationality, ethnicity and individual province of residence. Wikipedia does not have an existing practice of subdividing "[Nationality] people of [ethnicity] descent" into separate subcategories for each individual province or state within a country; no other US state or Canadian province has categories like this, and Manitoba does not need special treatment that the others aren't getting. The same person who recently created these has also, in some instances, concurrently started other provincial groupings for a couple, but not all, of these ethnicities, which still isn't warranted and will be batched separately. Bearcat (talk) 18:43, 29 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Support in principle, per nom, but it should be a merge rather than a straight deletion, e.g. merge Category:Ukrainian people from Manitoba to Category:Canadian people of Ukrainian descent. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:44, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Potentially keep Booian people of fooian descent is common in WP and these are examples. If not kept merge to Canadian parent.  Some of these are small categories, but many have at least 5 members which is enough to keep.  I assume "First Nations" and "indigenous" are in fact identical and these should be merged.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:05, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * We have Booian-Fooian categories at the national level for many countries, yes. We do not subdivide them into categories at the state or provincial level. Bearcat (talk) 15:12, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

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 * Upmerge to relevant Canadian people categories where appropriate, per Marcocapelle. No Great Shaker (talk) 07:18, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Upmerge per the above (though I note nearly all are already in the appropriate parent category). UnitedStatesian (talk) 16:08, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to relevant Canadian people categories where appropriate, per Marcocapelle. --Just N. (talk) 15:22, 24 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:People with migraine
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:25, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting people with migraine
 * Nominator's rationale: Hardly defining. Many, many people have migraine without it being a defying characteristic no more than having toothache or acne. Egghead06 (talk) 12:23, 29 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:39, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete as verifiable yet non-defining per WP:COPDEF. Even in people with really bad migraines, and/or to whom fans have devoted large sections, this condition is not defining. I would eventually like to see heavy scrutiny and purging, if not outright deletion, of many health conditions at Category:People by medical or psychological condition. But for now the most trivial, lowest hanging fruit should be picked. --Animalparty! (talk) 00:15, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Defining for migraine advocates like Jo Beckwith. Certainly defining in the case of Anne Conway (philosopher) who was well documented as a sort of medical experiment and whose philosophy is influenced by her experience with migraine pain (the latter not cited in the article but is in "A Philosopher and Her Headaches: The Tribulations of Anne Conway" and "The Central Role of Suffering in Anne Conway's Philosophy"). Basic google news search demonstrates migraine is defining (at least for the past year or two) for Nolan Patrick. As well, Lewis Carroll has an entire section dedicated to his migraine and epilepsy which suggests its at least somewhat defining. It may not be defining for everyone who has experienced a migraine but for wikinotables who have chronic migraine, it is often very much defining (can provide more examples but trying to keep it brief). If kept, there should be a note added at the top of the category that it's about migraine as a chronic condition and not just having a bad headache. (In the interest of transparency, I did create the category.) Samsmachado (talk) 00:03, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Jo Beckwith is in Category:Disability rights activists from the United States which suffices. No objection to a section in the Migraine article listing these people. That will also allow a further elaboration of how Anne Conway's philosophy was influenced by her disease. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:30, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

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 * Delete. I don't think this is a defining trait. Close to 40 million people in the United States alone have migraines. While surely a nuisance, it doesn't seem like an important fact related to the bulk of the people in this category. Nohomersryan (talk) 06:03, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. NONDEF applies. No Great Shaker (talk) 07:20, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 12:08, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 15:22, 24 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Jewish families
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename per option A and hyphenate.  bibliomaniac  1  5  22:13, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Italian Jewish families to Category:Jewish Italian families

or alternatively:
 * Propose renaming Category:Jewish Hungarian families to Category:Hungarian Jewish families
 * Propose renaming Category:Jewish-German families to Category:German Jewish families (added 7 Oct 2021)

Can we agree a pattern one way or the other? Then we could speedily nominate whichever of the dozen similar categories dont fit.
 * Nominator's rationale: Rathfelder (talk) 18:54, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

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 * A comparable tree of Category:Jewish diaspora uses option B with dash, so then it would become Category:Hungarian-Jewish families. Ultimately I am neutral, as long as it is implemented consistently. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:25, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

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 * Support. Don't know about the convention in North America and elsewhere but in GB it is usual to hyphenate per Marcocapelle's example. The main thing here is consistency. No Great Shaker (talk) 07:24, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I dont detect much enthusiasm here. Shall we leave things as they are?  Rathfelder (talk) 18:20, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Not at all, so far there is clear consensus for alignment one way or the other. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:39, 19 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Support I believe the more common pattern is ethnicity before nationality, such as "Italian American". I'm agnostic about hyphenation. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:27, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Support first option as Roger (Dodger 67) says, but hyphenate as compound adjectives per WP:HYPHEN, so keep Category:Jewish-German families, like Category:Jewish-American history and many of its subcats. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:21, 30 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Big Talk Productions films
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep and rescope to be films only. (non-admin closure) 2pou (talk) 17:01, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Big Talk Productions films to Category:Big Talk Productions
 * Nominator's rationale: The scope note says films and TV series. Fuddle (talk) 04:31, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Oppose, TV series already are in a different Category:Television series by Big Talk Productions. Just remove the note. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:57, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. The TV wing already has its own category and film production needs one too. The scope is incorrect. No Great Shaker (talk) 07:28, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Rescope: with a see also to the TV category. Fuddle (talk) 14:23, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * A "see also" note is a good idea, . Marcocapelle (talk) 16:13, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Just create Category:Big Talk Productions as a parent for both. Gonnym (talk) 18:26, 21 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Rescope Television production should be moved to another category. Dimadick (talk) 21:54, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per No Great Shaker| and Marco. --Just N. (talk) 15:29, 24 September 2021 (UTC)


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