Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 September 25



Category:Magazines reestablished in 1795

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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:32, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting magazines reestablished in 1795
 * Nominator's rationale: Category with just one entry. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 23:53, 25 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Doubt that "year reestablished" is a defining characteristic either. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  00:41, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:Magazines established in 1795. While it is true that this was a re-establishment, the point is not worth the creation of a WP:SMALLCAT that will never be expanded. No Great Shaker (talk) 10:48, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:Magazines established in 1795. Oculi (talk) 22:20, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:Magazines established in 1795. I have previously argued that there is no category tree for reestablishments. Dimadick (talk) 08:14, 28 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:European LGBT rights case law

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:36, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting european lgbt rights case law
 * Nominator's rationale: This category confuses European Court of Justice with European Court of Human Rights. The courts have different jurisdictions (EU vs. Council of Europe) and apply different law (EU law vs. European Convention on Human Rights.) I created a separate category for ECHR cases and copied the two CJEU cases to parent cats as appropriate, so this category can and should be deleted. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  23:28, 25 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete. I confirm that all current members are in appropriate LGBT rights case law categories, so no merge is needed. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:20, 26 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Segments from Fantasia
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 October 3%23Category:Segments from Fantasia

Rulers of Bavaria

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename all. (non-admin closure) — Mikehawk10 (talk) 00:22, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:6th-century rulers of Bavaria to Category:6th-century dukes of Bavaria
 * Propose renaming Category:7th-century rulers of Bavaria to Category:7th-century dukes of Bavaria
 * Propose renaming Category:8th-century rulers of Bavaria to Category:8th-century dukes of Bavaria
 * Propose renaming Category:9th-century rulers of Bavaria to Category:9th-century dukes of Bavaria
 * Propose renaming Category:10th-century rulers of Bavaria to Category:10th-century dukes of Bavaria
 * Propose renaming Category:11th-century rulers of Bavaria to Category:11th-century dukes of Bavaria
 * Propose renaming Category:12th-century rulers of Bavaria to Category:12th-century dukes of Bavaria
 * Propose renaming Category:13th-century rulers of Bavaria to Category:13th-century dukes of Bavaria
 * Propose renaming Category:14th-century rulers of Bavaria to Category:14th-century dukes of Bavaria
 * Propose renaming Category:15th-century rulers of Bavaria to Category:15th-century dukes of Bavaria
 * Propose renaming Category:16th-century rulers of Bavaria to Category:16th-century dukes of Bavaria
 * Propose renaming Category:17th-century rulers of Bavaria to Category:17th-century prince-electors of Bavaria
 * Propose renaming Category:18th-century rulers of Bavaria to Category:18th-century prince-electors of Bavaria
 * Nominator's rationale: rename for three reasons: more accurate, WP:C2C per Category:Dukes of Bavaria and Category:Prince-electors of Bavaria, and per precedent in this previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:56, 25 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Rename all per nom and per precedent. This is similar to the Dukes of Württemberg one below and same principle applies. No Great Shaker (talk) 10:38, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename all per nom Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:49, 28 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Liberal Republican Party members of the United States House of Representatives from Arkansas

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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge to all three parents.  ✗  plicit  01:27, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting liberal republican party members of the united states house of representatives from arkansas
 * Propose deleting liberal republican party members of the united states house of representatives from louisiana
 * Propose deleting liberal republican party members of the united states house of representatives from missouri
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. Categories labeling United States politicians as liberal or conservative have been repeatedly deleted. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 20:29, 25 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Liberal Republican Party (United States) was an actual 19th century political party, but in this case I would argue that the contents should be upmerged to Category:Liberal Republican Party members of the United States House of Representatives for SMALLCAT reasons. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  05:49, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I took the liberty to add the two sibling categories for Louisiana and Missouri. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:58, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Triple upmerge to all parent categories per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:32, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Upmerge all per the above. SMALLCAT applies. No Great Shaker (talk) 10:40, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Upmerge for SMALLCAT reasons. As the criterion is membership of a political party, it is a legitimate category, but the three have two members each, so that a single category can cover all six.  Peterkingiron (talk) 20:30, 3 October 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Association football leagues in North America

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 * The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 21:01, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Association football leagues in North America to Category:Soccer leagues in the United States
 * Nominator's rationale: Association football and soccer are the same thing, Soccer is the more established category and is the more common name in the US Some2Guy (talk) 17:42, 25 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep - North America is not the same as the United States. Category:Association football leagues in North America by country shows clearly that the name is correct. Oculi (talk) 18:26, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * oh, wow, completely missed that... what's the correct procedure to close the merge request now? Some2Guy (talk) 18:52, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I think someone helpful will come along and close it. Oculi (talk) 18:56, 25 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Dukes of Württemberg

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 * The result of the discussion was: split to Category:Dukes of Württemberg (ruling) and Category:Dukes of Württemberg (titular).  ✗  plicit  01:27, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Dukes of Württemberg to Category:Dukes of Württemberg (rulers) and Category:Dukes of Württemberg (titular)
 * Nominator's rationale: In the 15th to 18th century the duke was the ruler of Württemberg, in the 19th century duke of Württemberg became a title for family members of the monarch of Württemberg. One category belongs in the rulers tree, the other category belongs in the nobility tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:11, 25 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Support. Definite change of status that should be reflected here. No Great Shaker (talk) 19:23, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Support But should it be Category:Dukes of Württemberg (ruling) ? Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:26, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * That is fine too. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:33, 5 October 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Conservative Party of Canada candidates in the 2004 Canadian federal election

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. Proposals to delete the target categories should be discussed in a separate nomination.  ✗  plicit  01:27, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Conservative Party of Canada candidates in the 2004 Canadian federal election to Category:Conservative Party of Canada candidates for the Canadian House of Commons
 * Propose merging Category:Conservative Party of Canada candidates in the 2006 Canadian federal election to Category:Conservative Party of Canada candidates for the Canadian House of Commons
 * Propose merging Category:Conservative Party of Canada candidates in the 2008 Canadian federal election to Category:Conservative Party of Canada candidates for the Canadian House of Commons
 * Propose merging Category:Conservative Party of Canada candidates in the 2011 Canadian federal election to Category:Conservative Party of Canada candidates for the Canadian House of Commons
 * Propose merging Category:Conservative Party of Canada candidates in the 2015 Canadian federal election to Category:Conservative Party of Canada candidates for the Canadian House of Commons
 * Propose merging Category:Conservative Party of Canada (1867–1942) candidates in the 1882 Canadian federal election to Category:Conservative Party of Canada (1867–1942) candidates for the Canadian House of Commons
 * Propose merging Category:Conservative Party of Canada (1867–1942) candidates in the 1887 Canadian federal election to Category:Conservative Party of Canada (1867–1942) candidates for the Canadian House of Commons
 * Propose merging Category:Conservative Party of Canada (1867–1942) candidates in the 1891 Canadian federal election to Category:Conservative Party of Canada (1867–1942) candidates for the Canadian House of Commons
 * Propose merging Category:Conservative Party of Canada (1867–1942) candidates in the 1896 Canadian federal election to Category:Conservative Party of Canada (1867–1942) candidates for the Canadian House of Commons
 * Propose merging Category:Conservative Party of Canada (1867–1942) candidates in the 1900 Canadian federal election to Category:Conservative Party of Canada (1867–1942) candidates for the Canadian House of Commons
 * Propose merging Category:Conservative Party of Canada (1867–1942) candidates in the 1904 Canadian federal election to Category:Conservative Party of Canada (1867–1942) candidates for the Canadian House of Commons
 * Propose merging Category:Conservative Party of Canada (1867–1942) candidates in the 1908 Canadian federal election to Category:Conservative Party of Canada (1867–1942) candidates for the Canadian House of Commons
 * Propose merging Category:Conservative Party of Canada (1867–1942) candidates in the 1911 Canadian federal election to Category:Conservative Party of Canada (1867–1942) candidates for the Canadian House of Commons
 * Propose merging Category:Conservative Party of Canada (1867–1942) candidates in the 1921 Canadian federal election to Category:Conservative Party of Canada (1867–1942) candidates for the Canadian House of Commons
 * Propose merging Category:Conservative Party of Canada (1867–1942) candidates in the 1925 Canadian federal election to Category:Conservative Party of Canada (1867–1942) candidates for the Canadian House of Commons
 * Propose merging Category:Conservative Party of Canada (1867–1942) candidates in the 1926 Canadian federal election to Category:Conservative Party of Canada (1867–1942) candidates for the Canadian House of Commons
 * Propose merging Category:Conservative Party of Canada (1867–1942) candidates in the 1930 Canadian federal election to Category:Conservative Party of Canada (1867–1942) candidates for the Canadian House of Commons
 * Propose merging Category:Conservative Party of Canada (1867–1942) candidates in the 1935 Canadian federal election to Category:Conservative Party of Canada (1867–1942) candidates for the Canadian House of Commons
 * Propose merging Category:National Government candidates in the 1940 Canadian federal election to Category:Conservative Party of Canada (1867–1942) candidates for the Canadian House of Commons
 * Nominator's rationale: Several past CFD's on similar categories for other political parties (e.g. 1, 2, 3) established a consensus that it is not desirable to categorize election candidates this specifically. Firstly, we don't even categorize sitting MPs for each individual session of Parliament they sat in, and there's no compelling reason to categorize non-winning candidates more specifically and narrowly than MPs. Secondly, unelected candidates for political office aren't notable for that at all, so a person will only have an article to file in any of these categories if they had preexisting notability for other reasons independently of a political candidacy (e.g. having previously served as a provincial MLA or mayor of a major city), meaning that they aren't defined by each individual election they may have run in and lost. Thirdly, since people often run for office more than just once, this results in significant category bloat since each individual candidacy occasions another new category. Simply put, candidacy isn't significant enough to warrant subcategorizing them this granularly. (And yes, similar categories do still exist for some other political parties as well — but getting rid of them is an extended process, because there are too many to just batch them all together in one go.) Bearcat (talk) 15:58, 25 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom, if only because even Canadian MPs are not categorized like this. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:03, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Certainly merge, rather than keep, BUT should we have these categories at all? Candidates who are elected should be in a MP category for each Parliament (which is what is done with UK MPs).  Those candidates not elected are by definition of WP:POLITICIAN NN (unless notable for other reasons) and should not have a category at all: thus delete?  Peterkingiron (talk) 20:36, 3 October 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Education in Celebration, Florida

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:51, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Education in Celebration, Florida to Category:Celebration, Florida
 * Nominator's rationale: No need to dual merge as the only article is already in the appropriate subcategory. User:Namiba 12:05, 25 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. No Great Shaker (talk) 14:56, 25 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Education in X, California

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge.  ✗  plicit  01:27, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Education in Gridley, California to Category:Gridley, California / Category:Education in Butte County, California
 * Propose merging Category:Education in Azusa, California to Category:Azusa, California / Category:Education in Los Angeles County, California
 * Propose merging Category:Education in Ontario, California to Category:Ontario, California / Category:Education in San Bernardino County, California
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT, these categories contain only 2 or 3 articles and no subcategories. User:Namiba 11:18, 25 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Merge all per nom. No Great Shaker (talk) 14:57, 25 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Modern Greek-language singers

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Modern Greek-language singers to Category:Greek-language singers
 * Nominator's rationale: We dont have any articles about Ancient Greek language singers. Rathfelder (talk) 09:12, 25 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep - subcat of Category:Modern Greek language. Oculi (talk) 09:38, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Oculi. I would support the nom but for the parent name. No Great Shaker (talk) 14:58, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the point about the article, but I think as a biographical category its a bit misleading. Rathfelder (talk) 22:25, 25 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Magic word templates

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge.  ✗  plicit  01:27, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Magic word templates to Category:Wikipedia magic word templates
 * Nominator's rationale: Category:Magic word templates says: This category contains templates that mimic magic words., Category:Wikipedia magic word templates says Templates that behave in a similar fashion to the MediaWiki variables used in Wikipedia., which is basically the same. See WP:MAGICWORD and WP:VAR. —⁠andrybak (talk) 07:16, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

There seems to have been a misunderstanding in previous discussion at Categories for discussion/Log/2021 September 11. Pinging editors, who participated in that discussion:,. —⁠andrybak (talk) 07:16, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:26, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * As well as merging the contents as nominated, the nominated category page might as well be redirected. I am willing to merge the duplicate categories that have been copied into other Wikipedias, see Wikidata items https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q18820183 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q8595191. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:25, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Support creating a category redirect. —⁠andrybak (talk) 12:04, 16 October 2021 (UTC)


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Category:Sandford Faulkner

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:06, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting sandford faulkner
 * Nominator's rationale: Delete per WP:OCEPON or possibly rename per scheme under Category:Compositions by composer or Category:Songs by songwriter, whichever is more appropriate. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 19:09, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 06:42, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. No Great Shaker (talk) 08:34, 25 September 2021 (UTC)


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Category:MISSION 33 Templates

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:12, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting mission 33
 * Propose deleting mission 33 templates
 * Nominator's rationale: New editor has set up personal categories for themselves. User categories are typically to group editors together based on commonalities, editing philosophy, etc., not for each editor to set up their own set of categories for themselves. Liz Read! Talk! 01:39, 25 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete. I am actually speechless that after all these years Wikipedia has existed, we don't have a speedy deletion rationale for obvious cases like this. The user can keep track of personal stuff on a sub-page. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:26, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete both per nom. Words fail me. No Great Shaker (talk) 08:33, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete This isn't so impressive that words fail me, as it's been done several times before (see Categories for discussion/User/Archive/Topical index), but there is clear precedent against this sort of thing. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 23:34, 26 September 2021 (UTC)


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