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Category:Historyproject.org.uk interviewee

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:02, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting historyproject.org.uk interviewee
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERCATEGORISATION, not WP:DEFINING Le Deluge (talk) 23:35, 26 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete -- This is essentially a Performance category. Possibly listify.  Peterkingiron (talk) 12:27, 27 April 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Sellwood, Portland, Oregon
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Category:Vegan bodybuilders

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JBchrch   talk  23:32, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:12, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Vegan bodybuilders to Category:Vegan sportspeople
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, currently two articles in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:35, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  19:54, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment -- Is bodybuilding a sport? Is the intersection of Vegan and bodybuilder a notable one?  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:51, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
 * One is a professional bodybuilder so he is surely is a sportsman. The other is not so much a professional. But both are already in Category:Vegan sportspeople so merging is equivalent to deleting in this case. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:39, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete I am unconvinced this intersection is notable so it should be deleted. That they are already both in the target as well means that functionally even the nominator is supporting deletion.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:27, 4 May 2022 (UTC)


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Category:People who opposed the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Russian activists against the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. It's clear the current title is too ambiguous, and a few users argued that the current scope is too wide, and it should more clearly be limited to activists. Any user can boldly purge the category of non-activists. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:44, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting people who opposed the 2022 russian invasion of ukraine
 * Nominator's rationale: Is it ok to categorize people by their views? Wikisaurus (talk) 19:45, 20 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Well, we have categories like Category:Anti–Iraq War activists and Category:Anti–Vietnam War activists. --HPfan4 (talk) 02:21, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it can be renamed to be "Anti—2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine activists"? MrMeAndMrMe  Let's talk 04:11, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The name needs to capture the point of the category which is that these are Russian people. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:55, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
 * It needs to be renamed, I would suggest Russian anti—2022 invasion of Ukraine activists. Inclusion should be significant activism, not merely stating opposition.-- Mvqr (talk) 11:21, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * One can create Category:Anti–Russian invasion of Ukraine activists and move the activists there (although almost all of the people in the category are not anti-war activists, they are just celebrities who occasionally opposed the invasion). Wikisaurus (talk) 13:08, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:Russian people who opposed the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. Opposing Putin is a brave act for a Russian, so that the normal rule against categories on people's political POV should not apply.   Peterkingiron (talk) 19:02, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Peterkingiron got it right, it should concern Russian people. Maybe a bit shorter: Category:Russian opponents of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:34, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Support move to Category:Russian opponents of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. It's by far the best name suggestion. Charles Essie (talk) 02:17, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I second renaming the category to, and to narrow the inclusion criteria to significant activism. I can understand how standing up to this invasion is a very huge risk due to all the repression. -- Minoa (talk) 00:37, 2 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete Even with the Russian category, just because something is brave does not mean it is defining. Mere opposition to something is rarely if ever defining. With biographies this is just an invitation to category clutter, and we already have too much of that.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:16, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Rename to 92.113.168.56 (talk) 22:34, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Rename to, it would be good to have a category about Russians against the war. -- 2804:248:f677:f300:4b3:a2a4:dec6:1482 (talk) 00:58, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: Not needed. -Koppapa (talk) 14:22, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
 * @Koppapa do you have a reason for this rational? MrMeAndMrMe  Let's talk 14:58, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak delete. Comment. People well known as anti-war activists would be a reasonable category. But that one is artificially constructed. To be against this war is not a defining feature of these people. Any sane and informed person would be against this war. Something opposite like Category:Promoters the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine might be more reasonable, but we already have Category:Russian propagandists. My very best wishes (talk) 17:55, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * @My very best wishes Do you have anything against Russian people who opposed the 2022 invasion of Ukraine? MrMeAndMrMe  Let's talk 23:11, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Let's see. Who is in this category? Natalia Poklonskaya. How come? She personally put to prison a lot of Ukrainian activists in the Russia-occupied Crimea. Who else? Alex Konanykhin. Yes, of course, that guy created a company for paid editing in WP. Do you think his announcement of the "bounty" was an act of bravery? No, that was an advertisement. As about others, they are great people, but again, any sane and informed person is against this war; this is hardly anything significant. Being Russian citizens does not make them special. My very best wishes (talk) 01:20, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * In addition, many Russians just object to the war in general, but do not really condemn the invasion. A typical view can be found here . "no problem can be solved by war" The issue here is not the war. This is just war by Ukraine. "the terrible and bloody decision that none of us could influence and predict."  This is not true and denial of responsibility because there was already a military aggression by Russia against Georgia in 2008, against Ukraine in 2014 and Second Chechen war in 2000. My very best wishes (talk) 15:49, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree that the category should be limited to activists. Just expressing an opinion may be dangerous but is not a reason why people are notable. Perhaps something like Category:Russian activists against the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:54, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree, that would be a little more reasonable category, but still very artificial. But whatever. I do not think that keeping such category would be hugely problematic. My very best wishes (talk) 22:05, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I generally believe that there is no harm in keeping any categories, unless they are outright misleading. That one is not. For example, Natalia Poklonskaya does belong to the category. One just does not need to conclude that she is a supporter of Ukrainian people, a good person or brave. My very best wishes (talk) 22:54, 30 April 2022 (UTC)


 * I still think Category:Russian opponents of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine is the best title because not all Russian opponents of the war are necessarily activists. Charles Essie (talk) 04:32, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
 * (added after relisting) But it should only contain activists, therefore the category needs to be purged too. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:11, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Why? Them simply being Russian is what makes this noteworthy. Charles Essie (talk) 18:52, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Delete. This category shouldn't exist. Having this category will only promote and encourage more superfluous politically charged categories on Wikipedia. Er nesto (talk) 14:09, 19 May 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  19:42, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


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Category:18th-century bishops in the United Kingdom

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:18th-century bishops in Great Britain. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:49, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:18th-century bishops in the United Kingdom to Category:18th-century bishops in the Kingdom of Great Britain
 * Nominator's rationale: UK came into being in 1801. Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:59, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * This doesnt seem very helpful unless we are going to rename the whole of Category:18th-century British people Rathfelder (talk) 11:13, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * "British" also describes citizens of the Kingdom of Great Britain. The UK as a state did not exist in the 18th century. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:20, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

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 * We have some other occupational categories "....of Great Britain‎". I dont think we need the century or the Kingdom. Rathfelder (talk) 09:39, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Anachronistic in the current title. Also, there is a different geographic scope. The Kingdom of Great Britain never covered any areas in Ireland, which would mean Irish bishops have to be excluded from the category. Dimadick (talk) 04:06, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:18th-century British bishops At worst Category:18th-century bishops in Great Britain. There is no need to include "kingdom", as GB (and British) are unambiguous.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:44, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I have struck out my vote, because I have voted again below. Sorry.  Peterkingiron (talk) 12:24, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Rename per Peterkingiron above. --Just N. (talk) 11:01, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment I cannot support suggestion as it would change the scope from "by country" to "by nationality". Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:25, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Rename to Category:18th-century bishops in the Kingdom of Great Britain or Category:18th-century bishops in Great Britain or Category:Bishops in the Kingdom of Great Britain, per nom. This is a tree by country, not by nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:08, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Not many editors appreciate the distinction between "by country" and "by nationality". Rathfelder (talk) 16:46, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Reply The nomination is unconcerned with nationalities; it concerns two states that existed in different periods of time - GB & UK. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:40, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * REname but to Category:18th-century British bishops or Category:18th-century bishops in Great Britain. The content is such that it is a container for England, Wales, and Scotland with a Catholic subcat.  There is no need to include "Kingdom of", which is mere verbosity.  My first target might be about nationality, rather than the location of the see, which would mean that an English bishop serving an Irish diocese would belong, which might be undesirable, as the object is to show where they ministered, rather than where they were from.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:50, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I think overall there is the least opposition against Category:18th-century bishops in Great Britain. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:38, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I think that while there might be merit in having geographic entities in the island of GB, there is no case for non-geographic entities not to have the full name of the state. What's a few bytes between friends? Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:25, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
 * It makes no difference whether GB means the island with off-islands or the kingdom of GB. They are essentially the same thing.  Category names should be kept brief to limit category clutter.  I do not support LL's policy of making category names long for spurious precision in their scope.  Where further precision is needed, the appropriate place for it is in a headnote.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:24, 1 May 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Senators of the LXIV Legislature of Mexico

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.  ✗  plicit  12:55, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Senators of the LXIV Legislature of Mexico to Category:Senators of the LXIV and LXV Legislatures of Mexico
 * Nominator's rationale: In Mexico, Senate terms are six years in length and span two three-year legislatures, so by-legislature categories in the Senate should cover two legislatures at a time. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 00:23, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, I started this category and support the proposed renaming User:Moondragon21 00:25, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

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 * Oppose Roman numerals are for historians use. Wikipedia is for the usability for normal people/users. --Just N. (talk) 10:21, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename for consistency. However the category and its siblings should ultimately be merged. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:42, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete All these members of legislature by specific meeting of the legislature are just invitations to category clutter and we should rid ourselves of everyone of them. I have seen way too many articles with 5 plus such categories to see them as justified.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:06, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Rename per nom. As for the general principle  of having subcats by term, see Category talk:Legislators by term for precedents in both directions. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:41, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Rename per nom. &#8213;  Qwerfjkl talk  10:22, 1 June 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Senators of the 60th and 61st legislature of Mexico

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename.  ✗  plicit  12:55, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Senators of the 60th and 61st legislature of Mexico to Category:Senators of the LX and LXI Legislatures of Mexico
 * Nominator's rationale: Use Roman numerals to be consistent with other categories and pages of this type in Mexico. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 00:23, 14 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose Roman numerals are for historians use. Wikipedia is for the usability for normal people/users. --Just N. (talk) 10:20, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The parent articles are numbered in Roman numerals here, e.g. LX Legislature of the Mexican Congress, so if that's your concern, I'd take it to RM for a total of 16 pages. I also recognize I inadvertently...created the other cat because I'm working with HotCat and was missing the old one. Oops! Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 07:01, 24 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Speedy rename for consistency. However the category and its siblings should ultimately be merged. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:42, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * This is part of an effort to diffuse the parent category, Category:Members of the Senate of the Republic (Mexico), by state represented (not applicable for all senators thanks to proportional representation) and by legislature served. Similar work is being done on the Chamber of Deputies side, where the main members category had 2,600 titles. Furthermore, we have many stubs not maintained in years in this field and in some cases the politicians have gone on to further offices. Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 07:01, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  17:19, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete All these members of legislature by specific meeting of the legislature are just invitations to category clutter and we should rid ourselves of everyone of them. I have seen way too many articles with 5 plus such categories to see them as justified.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:05, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Rename and redirect, following the article name for the legislature. Move the old page over the new page at the target name. As for the general principle raised by User:Johnpacklambert, see Category talk:Legislators by term for precedents in both directions.– Fayenatic  L ondon 10:13, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Rename per main article, for consistency. &#8213;  Qwerfjkl talk  10:25, 1 June 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Megamind video games

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 01:58, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting megamind video games
 * Nominator's rationale: Only one entry and no potential for further Indagate (talk) 16:19, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Megamind per nom. Only one of the games appears independently notable. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:56, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge to the Megamind category per rationale. Cat&#39;s Tuxedo (talk) 16:08, 29 April 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Burial sites of the House of Burke
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Category:Counts Palatine of Germany
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename as proposed. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 00:08, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Counts Palatine of Germany to Category:Counts Palatine of the Holy Roman Empire
 * Propose renaming Category:Countesses Palatine of Germany to Category:Countesses Palatine of the Holy Roman Empire
 * Nominator's rationale: rename, "Germany" is anachronistic, this all refers to the Holy Roman Empire before 1806. For example the territory of the Palatinate of Lotharingia is not part of current Germany but was part of the Holy Roman Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:17, 26 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Support We seem to be moving most early Germany categories to HRE, though German would still be the appropriate demonym in most cases. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:02, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Per nom. Atchom (talk) 17:27, 28 April 2022 (UTC)


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