Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 August 13



Category:Feminist television

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:50, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting feminist television
 * Nominator's rationale: No clear rationale, does having female main characters make the show feminist. Sahaib (talk) 19:56, 13 August 2022 (UTC)


 * If kept it should become something like Category:Television series with women-only lead characters. Characterizing them as feminist is a matter of WP:OR. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:31, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Immoral Morally dubious speculation. –LaundryPizza03 ( d  c̄ ) 12:17, 16 August 2022 (UTC)  15:09, 16 August 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Star Wars CGI characters

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:50, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Star Wars CGI characters to Category:Star Wars animated characters
 * Nominator's rationale: For the same reason as the merge of Category:CGI characters, WP:NONDEF. A name change would expand the scope more. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:08, 13 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Support per precedent in this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:35, 14 August 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Disney CGI characters

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:51, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Disney CGI characters to Category:Disney animated characters
 * Nominator's rationale: For the same reason as the merge of Category:CGI characters, WP:NONDEF. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:07, 13 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Support per precedent in this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:35, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per above. ― Kaleeb18TalkCaleb 01:02, 15 August 2022 (UTC)


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Category:1600 establishments in Africa

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 * The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:52, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:1600 establishments in Africa to Category:17th-century establishments in Africa
 * Nominator's rationale: Manual merge, only the article, not the subcat. Dahomey was established as a kingdom in the early C17; 1600 is spurious precision. The Ottoman subcat contains only Europe content, so should not be merged. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:16, 13 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Support, apparently we do not have any articles with establishments in Africa exactly in the year 1600. Siblings e.g. 1602 and 1608 may be nominated for deletion as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:31, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment the year 1600 is part of the 16th century, while the year 1601 is part of the 17th century. (just as 2000 is part of the 20th century while 2001 is the first year of the new millennium) -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 00:07, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Support -- The status of Dahomey (the sole article) was discussed the other day. Its foundation was c.1600 and it certainly existed by c.1620.  The category thus has a spurious precision, when we do not know any precise date.  Peterkingiron (talk) 19:33, 14 August 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Suicide in film

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 * The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:53, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Suicide in film to Category:Films about suicide
 * Nominator's rationale: Manual merge, checking first that suicide is WP:DEFINING for all the contents. There was no consensus to delete at the recent discussion Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_December_10. These two categories are now siblings following the merge of Topics in film to . – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:02, 13 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Support, it is not helpful to have the two categories exist next to each other and Category:Films about suicide is the preferable name per WP:DEFINING. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:37, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose That the films depict one or more suicides does not mean that their main topic is suicide. Dimadick (talk) 05:28, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * That is exactly the reason why a manual merge is proposed, in order to purge films that do not have it as a main topic. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 18 August 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Siverskyi Donets

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:54, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Siverskyi Donets to Category:Donets
 * Nominator's rationale: Per parent article Donets and also for neutrality, the river passes through both Russia and Ukraine but Siverskyi Donets is the Ukrainian form. Super   Ψ   Dro  08:43, 13 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Support, seems a straightforward case of WP:C2D. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:40, 13 August 2022 (UTC)


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American businesspeople by ethnicity
Relisted, see Categories for discussion/Log/2022 August 21%23American businesspeople by ethnicity

Category:19th century in La Paz
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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge as WP:SOFTDELETE. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:47, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:19th century in La Paz to Category:History of La Paz
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only one article in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:03, 13 August 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Marcos Administration cabinet members
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Ferdinand Marcos administration cabinet members. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:14, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Marcos Administration cabinet members to Category:Ferdinand Marcos Administration cabinet members
 * Nominator's rationale: Now that Ferdinand Marcos Sr.'s son was elected as President in 2022... Category name move for this page is due. See Category:Corazon Aquino cabinet members‎ and Benigno Aquino III cabinet members‎.

Not renaming this category may cause confusion with Category:Bongbong Marcos cabinet members‎ Hariboneagle927 (talk) 04:51, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Besides I think it should be "administration" rather than "Administration" but that obviously applies to all siblings too. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:22, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, but use sentence case (small letter a). — hueman1 ( talk •  contributions ) 04:54, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom and sentence case recommendations stated above. –Sanglahi86 (talk) 08:03, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:48, 18 August 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Marcos Administration personnel
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Ferdinand Marcos administration personnel. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:59, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Marcos Administration personnel to Category:Ferdinand Marcos Administration personnel
 * Nominator's rationale: Now that Ferdinand Marcos Sr.'s son was elected as President in 2022... Category name move for this page is due. See Category:Corazon Aquino Administration personnel‎ and Benigno Aquino III Administration personnel‎ Hariboneagle927 (talk) 04:50, 13 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Besides I wonder whether we should categorize non-cabinet members by afministration but that obviously applies to all siblings too. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:25, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom, but move to Category:Ferdinand Marcos administration personnel (sentence case). — hueman1 ( talk •  contributions ) 04:33, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom and sentence case recommendations stated above. –Sanglahi86 (talk) 08:05, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:48, 18 August 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Aircraft manufacturers of Austria-Hungary
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename and delete as per Fayenatic London. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:57, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Aircraft manufacturers of Austria-Hungary to Category:Manufacturing companies of Austria-Hungary and Category:Aircraft manufacturers of Hungary
 * Propose merging Category:Defunct aircraft manufacturers of Austria-Hungary to Category:Defunct manufacturing companies of Austria-Hungary, Category:Aircraft manufacturers of Hungary and Category:Defunct aircraft manufacturers
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, only two articles, and we do not have a developed tree of aircraft manufacturers by former country. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:34, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Additional thoughts? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  01:45, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Suggest merge as above and also to Category:Aviation in Austria-Hungary. Nothing that the nomination will empty Category:History of transport in Austria-Hungary, Category:Aviation history of Austria-Hungary, Category:Aviation organizations based in Austria-Hungary, Category:Aerospace companies of Austria-Hungary; and that the two articles will be the only ones held directly in Category:Defunct aircraft manufacturers. – Fayenatic  L ondon 06:43, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * One way round the latter would be to rename to Category: Defunct aircraft manufacturers of Hungary and Austria-Hungary, following Category:Defunct aircraft manufacturers of the Czech Republic and Czechoslovakia, and adding Hungarian General Machine Factory and Manfréd Weiss Steel and Metal Works. – Fayenatic  L ondon 06:50, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I think that would make it needlessly complicated. Hungary kept a status as a semi-independent kingdom within the composite state of Austria-Hungary, much more so than e.g. Bohemia, so there would not be much harm in having them added to Hungarian categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:49, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * In that case, rename the Defunct one to Category: Defunct aircraft manufacturers of Hungary, and copy to the other parents per nom? – Fayenatic  L ondon 06:45, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:34, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Then let's rename  Category:Defunct aircraft manufacturers of Austria-Hungary to Category:Defunct aircraft manufacturers of Hungary and copy its contents (2 pages) into Category:Defunct manufacturing companies of Austria-Hungary. Delete vacated parents Category:Aircraft manufacturers of Austria-Hungary, Category:Aviation history of Austria-Hungary, Category:History of transport in Austria-Hungary, Category:Aviation organizations based in Austria-Hungary, Category:Aviation in Austria-Hungary, Category:Transport organizations based in Austria-Hungary, Category:Aerospace companies of Austria-Hungary, Category:Engineering companies of Austria-Hungary and Category:Technology companies of Austria-Hungary. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:09, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, those Austrian-Hungarian parent categories are wholly redundant and will naturally become empty by this proposal. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:42, 13 August 2022 (UTC)


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Ryerson University
Relisted, see Categories for discussion/Log/2022 August 21%23Ryerson University

Category:User pages with short description
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:20, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting user pages with short description
 * Nominator's rationale: Since there is no requirement that user pages have descriptions of any size, there is absolutely no purpose to this category, which does not help in the maintenance of Wikipedia in any way. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:36, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  00:19, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Actually, it does pick up user drafts, which may well not be tagged & categorised as such (i.e. with user draft). Many of these could be blanked, redirected or deleted as WP:COPYARTICLE. So this category could be useful for that. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:55, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * This category was appearing on pages that transcluded User page. I have put "noinclude" codes around short description in that template, which may remove a lot of the current 66,409 pages. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:55, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The template change has indeed removed more than half of the category contents. The remainder are worth checking – some are old copy articles with edits still worth making live; others are eligible for speedy deletion under WP:CSD. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:06, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * See also discussion about that template at Template talk:User page. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:05, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The nomination appears to be a misunderstanding of the purpose of the category, since a short description is a specific thing, and has nothing to do with the length of the description. Delete anyway, as "pages in namespace X using template Y" categories are redundant to Special:WhatLinksHere. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 14:43, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * That seems a fair comment. For convenience, the full link is – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:33, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * @Fayenatic london, @Pppery, on that basis, what's the point of any of the Category:Pages with short description subcats (apart from lower-case pages)? &#8213; <span id="Qwerfjkl:1660164639625:WikipediaFTTCLNCategories_for_discussion/Log/2022_August_1" class="FTTCmt"> Qwerfjkl talk  20:50, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Category:Articles with short description is at least non-redundant since it excludes disambiguation pages and possibly a few other cases I've forgotten. The rest are equally redundant. That aside, the original purpose of Category:Articles with short description was to show the WMF that there were 2 million articles with short descriptions so they could finally turn off displaying Wikidata descriptions here, and it doesn't seem to have a clear function now that that goal has been met. This would need another CfD. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 20:59, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete. I agree that there's no apparent purpose for this category: user pages don't require shortdescs, so a list of the pages that have them isn't useful. Some of the other non-mainspace categories can probably go as well, but I don't support deleting Category:Articles with short description: the WhatLinksHere approaches misses the hundreds of thousands of articles that have a short description specified via the infobox template, so the category is the only good way to determine which articles still need a shortdesc. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 07:58, 18 August 2022 (UTC)


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