Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 August 25



Category:Swati Wikipedians

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:08, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting swati wikipedians
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, apparently a too small ethnicity to categorize users by. The only user is already in the relevant parent categories too. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:12, 25 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. It's also unclear how the entire Category:Wikipedians by ethnicity and nationality tree has the capacity to facilitate coordination and collaboration between users for the improvement of the encyclopedia * Pppery * it has begun... 21:23, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Plus, we have the almost duplicate tree of Category:Wikipedians by location. I suppose both are supposed to be proxies of Category:Wikipedians by interest in a region. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:50, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:OC/U claims the purpose of location categories is to produce or understand certain material such as sources or images, presumably meaning the ability to take photographs of things near where one lives. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:56, 26 August 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Television stations in the Lehigh Valley

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep.  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:08, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting television stations in the lehigh valley
 * Nominator's rationale: Already covered in Category:Television stations in Philadelphia Mvcg66b3r (talk) 18:41, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep The Lehigh Valley is a stand-alone metropolitan statistical area and media market separate from Philadelphia and this category designates stations that should not be placed in the Philadelphia category and properly belong in this category and the broader Lehigh Valley category. These stations are not just based in the Lehigh Valley but serve that market alone and are not received in Philadelphia, so it is not a duplicate category in any respect; it is a necessary one. Keystone18 (talk) 18:46, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per Keystone18. The fact that notable stations exist in the Lehigh Valley that do not broadcast in Philadelphia shows that the categories are not redundant to one another. —  Red-tailed hawk (nest) 17:34, 28 August 2022 (UTC)


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Category:WikiProject RuPaul's Drag Race

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename all.  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:09, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:WikiProject RuPaul's Drag Race to Category:WikiProject Drag Race
 * Nominator's rationale: Per the WikiProject's recent name change. What about moving all of the subcategories without messing up the assessment framework? -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:23, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * In theory they should all be tagged, but this is a case for WP:IAR – an admin should just move them all under WP:G6. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:39, 30 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Rename per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:23, 25 August 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Funeral directors of the United Kingdom
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Template:Propionibacterineae-stub

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  12:26, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Template:Propionibacterineae-stub to Template:Propionibacteriales-stub
 * Propose renaming Category:Propionibacterineae stubs to Category:Propionibacteriales stubs
 * Nominator's rationale: The taxonomic term 'Propionibacterineae' has fallen into disuse. The term which is currently in use, Propionibacteriales, encompasses the same taxa as the former 'Propionibacterineae'. Ninjatacoshell (talk) 00:47, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

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 * Note: category tagged and added to nomination. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:56, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Rename per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:44, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Rename Same comments as I made below for the main, non-stub category. Uporządnicki (talk) 19:21, 26 August 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Propionibacterineae

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  12:26, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Propionibacterineae to Category:Propionibacteriales
 * Nominator's rationale: The taxonomic term 'Propionibacterineae' has fallen into disuse. The term which is currently in use, Propionibacteriales, encompasses the same taxa as the former 'Propionibacterineae'. Ninjatacoshell (talk) 00:47, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Rename per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:44, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Rename I'm not an expert, but it seems to me that the new name reflects more than just general usage in the field. Apparently, it's been raised from a suborder within some parent order to an order alongside others. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:17, 26 August 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Writing systems derived from the Phoenician
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Category:Abjad writing systems

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep.  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:13, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting abjad writing systems
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, largely overlaps with Category:Semitic writing systems. If kept, rename to Category:Abjads per main article title Abjad. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 17 August 2022 (UTC)


 * For easy reference, abjad = writing system representing only consonants. This category currently contains Egyptian hieroglyphs as well as Semitic scripts. Hieroglyphs are a mixture of consonants and other symbols e.g. whole words, so it is debatable whether that article belongs here. If not kept, a manual merge would be required, as e.g. Elymaic is not otherwise in the target category, but perhaps belongs in Category:Aramaic alphabet. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:51, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The latter is entirely reasonable. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:19, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

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 * Keep but rename per nom. It's probably true that most abjads are Semitic, but there are enough exceptions and the concept is sufficiently broad to warrant inclusion. I also think there's room for growth here. - CRGreathouse (t | c) 02:40, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep. Semitic writing systems are not the same as Abjadi writing systems, and examples like Maltese in the former and Pitman shorthand in the latter well demonstrate this. Semitic is a language family that due to the tri-consonantal root structure are very effectively written using abjads. Abjads are writing systems with a distinct form and function that can be used for writing many languages. VanIsaac, LLEcont<sub style="margin-left:-3.5ex"> WpWS 19:34, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep -- I did not know the term abjad, but it is clearly a defining characteristic. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:48, 28 August 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Video game nobility
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Category:Soldiers in science fiction
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  12:27, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Soldiers in science fiction to Category:Fictional soldiers
 * Nominator's rationale: Seems to be an unencyclopedic cross-categorization. Unless the soldier is a supersoldier (and there's already a category for that), the fact that they appear in a sci-fi setting isn't defining. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:23, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

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 * Support There is not much distinction by genre in the depictions of soldiers. Dimadick (talk) 06:19, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep -- SCience fiction and military fiction are quite distinct genres. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:17, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd assume "fictional soldiers" does not solely apply to military fiction, but all soldiers in all fiction, so this argument doesn't seem to make sense. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:28, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
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 * Merge I don't see why the genre matters here. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 17:44, 25 August 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Submerged bridges
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  12:27, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Submerged bridges to Category:Submerged buildings and structures
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, currently only one article in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:56, 25 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 17:44, 25 August 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Music videos shot in...
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  12:28, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting music videos shot in new york city
 * Propose deleting music videos shot in miami
 * Propose deleting music videos shot in hawaii
 * Propose deleting music videos shot in los angeles
 * Nominator's rationale: Not a defining characteristic. Does not tell you anything about what the music videos share in common as "being shot in X location" can also mean shot in a studio or generic set in said location and not necessarily featuring scenery from said location >> Lil-unique1  (  talk  ) — 20:26, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

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 * Oppose This seems to be an extension of Category:Films by shooting location and seems a useful way to demonstrate a city's impact in the industry. Dimadick (talk) 05:36, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * That is speculation. How is a music video being shot in a particular location demonstrating a city's impact in the industry? Almost every city will have scenery or studio sets that could be used in a music video. Where something is shot might have little or no input into the final content i.e. the content might not feature anything from the location. Music videos featuring New York City would be a different argument but its akin to having categories for Novels written in x location - it doesn't really have any bearing. Films by shooting location are different because films have a much bigger impact on the economy in terms of jobs etc and films are a much bigger production, take longer periods of team and quite often are filmed on location i.e. the location is integral to the story or feature extensively in the film. This can't be said for music videos universally. >> Lil-unique1  (  talk  ) — 16:49, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, these categories do not contain music videos, they contain songs. Location of the music video is not a defining characteristic of the song. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:23, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
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 * Delete - as Marcocapelle states, the contents are songs, not music videos. So an accurate title would be 'Songs with music videos shot in X', which would be deleted on sight. Oculi (talk) 16:59, 25 August 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Songs about Hawaii
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Category:Wikipedians who are neutral about becoming an administrator
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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy delete. CSD G7 Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 19:56, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians who are neutral about becoming an administrator
 * Nominator's rationale: This is effectively a not-based category, as it expresses the lack of an opinion. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 15:14, 25 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Did not realize this. Delete as the creator. — 3PPYB6  —  HAS  —  BEEN PICKLED!  — 15:19, 25 August 2022 (UTC)


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Pickle cabal
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Category:Bankers by ethnicity
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Bankers. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  12:32, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting bankers by ethnicity
 * Nominator's rationale: Only content is Category:Jewish bankers which is already in Category:Jews by occupation Rathfelder (talk) 07:54, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * It's a valid connecting boint for category:Bankers and Category:Businesspeople by ethnicity <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:01, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes the content should be kept within the parent trees so merge to Category:Bankers rather than straight delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:54, 25 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 15:14, 25 August 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Merchants by ethnicity
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Merchants. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  12:32, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting merchants by ethnicity
 * Nominator's rationale: Only content is Category:Jewish merchants which is already in Category:Jews by occupation. Rathfelder (talk) 07:53, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * It's a valid connecting boint for category:Merchants and Category:Businesspeople by ethnicity <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:01, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes the content should be kept within the parent trees so merge to Category:Merchants rather than straight delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:52, 25 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 15:14, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Merchants. There is a well-established "by nationality" tree to which this might have been treated as sibling, but that would be contrary to precedent.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:53, 28 August 2022 (UTC)


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Category:American Public Health Commissioners
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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy delete. CSD G7 Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:09, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting american public health commissioners
 * Nominator's rationale: I created it in error BostonMensa (talk) 00:38, 25 August 2022 (UTC)


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Category:People from Saigon
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus.  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:12, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Saigon to Category: People from Ho Chi Minh City
 * Nominator's rationale: Saigon is the former name of Ho Chi Minh City and previously was the capital of former South Vietnam from 1955 to 1975. Although "Saigon" is commonly used to refer to the present-day Ho Chi Minh City's central business districts, the subjects included in this category were born in Saigon during its time in South Vietnam and fled as refugees following the fall of Saigon in 1975. As per WP:SMALLCAT, there should not be separate categories for cities with their old names. Toadboy123 (talk) 01:42, 25 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment, normally we merge in cases like this. But we have rare exceptions, such as separate categories for Category:Ancient Byzantines, Category:People from Constantinople and Category:People from Istanbul. Arguably this could be such an exception too. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:59, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment -- If there was more content, I might have argued to keep. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:55, 28 August 2022 (UTC)


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