Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 August 7



Category:Tetrazines

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  08:48, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Tetrazines to Category:Azines
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only the main article and a subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:44, 17 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Procedural comment, the target has been nominated for renaming, see this discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:46, 17 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Category:Tetrazines to Category:Azines – C2F: Contains only the main article, Tetrazine. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 22:28, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose, I added a sub-cat . – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:53, 10 July 2022 (UTC)


 * pinging the contributors to the speedy discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support; it's not a Speedy case per WP:C2, but this will remove a layer that adds little navigational benefit, especially as it has only one parent. The interwiki links will be lost, but other-language articles can still be reached through the article Tetrazine. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:05, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Contra
 * commons:Category:Tetrazines exists since 2008.
 * This is a question reserved to the chemists WikiProject Chemistry
 * @Marcocapelle, @Fayenatic london: You haven't made contributions in chemistry, so let the chemists do these jobs.
 * Regards JWBE (talk) 13:21, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The commons category is now linked from the main article Tetrazine, so navigation to it will not be lost.– Fayenatic  L ondon 21:48, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
 * this nomination will be listed at WikiProject Chemistry so chemists will have the opportunity to provide input in this discussion. By the way the category structure here and in commons do not have to be identical. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:51, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  21:20, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Sharouser (talk) 17:17, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


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Category:American monuments and memorials removed during the George Floyd protests

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Monuments and memorials in the United States removed during the George Floyd protests (and rename subcat). (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  08:51, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:American monuments and memorials removed during the George Floyd protests to Category:Monuments and memorials removed during the George Floyd protests in the United States
 * Nominator's rationale: Perhaps the subcategory should also use "in Virginia" instead of "Virginian..." (?) -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:23, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JBchrch   talk  14:16, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Neutral - I only named the categories that way because I feared it would be too long and wordy otherwise. But if there's a consensus to change them to the suggested titles, then I won't mind. Love of Corey (talk) 23:26, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment, perhaps Category:Monuments and memorials in the United States removed during the George Floyd protests would be slightly better. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:27, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
 * At least keep the name of this category and the subcategory consistent with each other. To that end I have tagged the subcategory as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:31, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: Agree on changing to "United States" and "Virginia", as with other subcats of Category:Monuments and memorials in the United States and Category:Monuments and memorials in Virginia. Marcocapelle's suggestion sounds the most precise. Ham II (talk) 16:30, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  21:15, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Alt Rename to Category:Monuments and memorials in the United States removed during the George Floyd protests/Category:Monuments and memorials in Virginia removed during the George Floyd protests seem the most intuitive but the original proposal is still better than the current name. (Virginia subcat should follow whatever the consensus is.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:28, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Alt rename to Category:Monuments and memorials in the United States removed during the George Floyd protests and Category:Monuments and memorials in Virginia removed during the George Floyd protests per Marcocapelle, RevelationDirect, and consistency with other category names – in case my previous comment wasn't clear enough. Ham II (talk) 14:27, 8 August 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Animated characters in film
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Category:Taoist pilgrimages
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Category:Dune (franchise) materials

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  ✗  plicit  01:23, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Dune (franchise) materials to Category:Dune (franchise)
 * Nominator's rationale: Most of the items in this category are merely redirects, with only one being its own article. Per WP:SMALLCAT, this category can be removed and the one article upmerged with no real consequence. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:09, 7 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, after adding Melange (fictional drug) to the parent. Most of the redirects go to Glossary of Dune (franchise) terminology, except for Ajidamal and Ultraspice which go to Melange (fictional drug). –LaundryPizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 01:49, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and LaundryPizza03.— TAnthonyTalk 00:23, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
 * And FYI, all of the redirects are already placed in Category:Dune (franchise) element redirects to lists via the template R from fictional element, so maintenance-wise they just need to be removed from this category after its deletion.— TAnthonyTalk 23:39, 9 August 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Depictions of people
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. The target's name can be discussed in a separate discussion. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:07, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Depictions of people to Category:Works based on real people
 * Nominator's rationale: downmerge, it is unclear why we need to find paintings and sculptures based on people at a different location than e.g. songs or videogames based on people. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:20, 11 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment: The huge tree of Category:Cultural depictions of people is currently nominated for merging to the nominated category, see Categories for discussion/Log/2022 June 12, with the apparent goal of renaming everything to "Works about". – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:36, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Indeed, since what are non-cultural depictions (of people or anything?). <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:31, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * See also previous discussion Categories for discussion/Log/2022 May 23 where merger to another target was rejected, but without prejudice to something like this nomination. Pinging as a courtesy to participants there. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:59, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the ping! I think I prefer "about" to "based on". Perhaps the two discussions should be merged. I agree some big countainer category is needed. Johnbod (talk) 21:37, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * (as nominator) I will happily nominate Category:Works based on real people for renaming but that will involve a different discussion (with subcats included in the nomination). Marcocapelle (talk) 04:18, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, obviously, although like Johnbod I do prefer 'about' than 'based on'. Note this is (for me) a result of this discussion the participants are welcome to read and engage with: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Culture <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 07:53, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  13:34, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment -- We seem to be coming round to the idea of merging both to Category:Works about real people. This covers paintings, film, books, etc.  We need to draw a distinction between history and fiction.  Inevitably, a painting of a historical event will be composed by the artist (not a photo) and a historical novel may involve real historical people, as well as people invented by the author for the purposes of his story.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:41, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge Category:Depictions of people to Category:Works based on people. No need to use "real". If they were not "real", they would be characters, or "fictional", etc.  Oppose using "about". We use "based on", for WP:PRECISION reasons.  To give an example, We Didn't Start the Fire could be grouped in a "works about people" category, but not in a "works based upon people" category. And consider Garden Party (Rick Nelson song), it's known to be based upon an event, but could also be said to be "about" people - clearly it should not be categorised this way. We focus on the specific over the all-too-broad. - jc37 10:30, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
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 * (as nom) Several suggestions have been done to rename the target, which is not what this nomination is about. My conclusion is that the proposed merge is so obvious that it does not even have to be discussed. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:16, 7 August 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Attempted coups in the Soviet Union and Russia
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Category:Thameslink railway stations
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Category:Faculty by university or college in the Philippines
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Category:Transracial people
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Category:Library and information science
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Category:Topics in literature
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Category:Regency in fiction
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Monarchy in fiction. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  19:59, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Regency in fiction to Category:Fiction about regents
 * Nominator's rationale: In line with renaming of surrounding categories, but with a slight change of scope. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:28, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  13:15, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * No objection to renaming, but both articles in the category might be purged. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:34, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete the fact that in the film Ella Enchanted there is a regent who controls the country is not defining to it in any meaningful way. I was expecting this to include works set in the Regency Period of England, but since many of those works never include the regent as a character that would be even more non-defining.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:38, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
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 * as nominator, do you have any further reaction to the above? Marcocapelle (talk) 14:33, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the ping. I would not oppose deletion. I think there were more articles in this category when I nominated it, but am not sure of that. Perhaps more could be added from Category:Cultural depictions of George IV, e.g. Prince Regent (TV series). I've noted the current contents at Talk:Regent in case there is scope to usefully make a list or a future category. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:40, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Monarchy in fiction per WP:SMALLCAT. This seems to be an example of overcategorization; a regency is a form of monarchy. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:48, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * As the plots do concern royal succession i.e. who will be the next king/empress, the topic of monarchy would be WP:DEFINING for the two current member articles, so I have no objection to merging. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:40, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is the better solution. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:10, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment in any case, it can't remain at its current name, since it engenders confusion with the Regency Period of Britain -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 02:15, 9 August 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Mosby's Operations in Northern Virginia
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Timelines by year
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Category:Local political office-holders by country
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Category:Canadian lawyers admitted to the practice of law by reading law
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Category:Judges educated at Eton College
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Category:Teens in fiction
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Category:Locations in fiction
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Category:Songs about Lagos
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  ✗  plicit  01:17, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Songs about Lagos to Category:Songs about Nigeria
 * Nominator's rationale: Single member category so not a useful navigation aid. Merging to parent category seems an obvious solution. Richhoncho (talk) 09:04, 7 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete, it only contains an autobiographical song of a Nigerian singer. If not deleted, by all means merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:40, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment. As nominator I would be more than happy with delete as per Marcocapelle.--Richhoncho (talk) 10:01, 8 August 2022 (UTC)


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