Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 December 12



Category:Short-lived governments and regimes
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Category:Hidden begin with depreciated parameters

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Hidden begin with deprecated parameters. This is on me for not paying attention to what I am typing. It doesn't require a discussion, "deprecated" is correct. (non-admin closure)  Terasail [✉️] 18:28, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Hidden begin with depreciated parameters to Category:Hidden begin with deprecated parameters
 * Nominator's rationale: The correct word is "deprecated" (meaning "no longer used"), not "depreciated" (meaning "the value has gone down"). ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 17:59, 12 December 2022 (UTC)


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Ancient Egyptian officials
Relisted, see Categories for discussion/Log/2022 December 20%23Ancient Egyptian officials

Lanka Premier League
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Category:Aghlabid governors of Sicily

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  09:55, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Aghlabid governors of Sicily to Category:9th-century people of Ifriqiya and Category:Rulers of Sicily
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, only one article in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:42, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  21:35, 4 December 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  16:04, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:SMALLCAT: "Avoid categories that, by their very definition, will never have more than a few members...a category which does have realistic potential for growth, such as a category for holders of a notable political office, may be kept even if only a small number of its articles actually exist at the present time". The former does not apply, but the latter definitely does. The Aghlabids ruled Sicily or parts of it for over 80 years, and sent many governors to the island. The article on the Muslim conquest of Sicily includes just the most prominent of them as redlinks. Constantine  ✍  11:08, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
 * It is questionable whether this is a notable office. The only article is there mainly because of the subject's role in the war against the Byzantines and as such already in Category:People of the Muslim conquest of Sicily. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:05, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
 * A governor of a major island like Sicily, which was the main non-metropolitan province of the Aghlabid emirate, is ipso facto notable. There were governors who were not active in the wars with the Byzantines, just as there were governors who were,just as there were people of the Muslim conquest of Sicily who were not governors. The categories are related, but patently not identical. Constantine   ✍  16:44, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Oppose I agree with Constantine, though I find "WP:SMALLCAT" to be nonsensical on its own. Small categories are not less useful than larger ones. Dimadick (talk) 00:29, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
 * It is not about usefulness (whatever that means) but about easy navigation. Small categories require you to scroll through the category tree to find more related articles. It is much easier when there are links directly in the article to well-populated categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:35, 14 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep: indicates that there were around 36 Aghlabid governors. It.wiki has articles for 7 of those and en.wiki has article for four of them. So, I think there is potential for growth. However, that list is uncited... and the articles on en.wiki don't specifically name these individuals as "governors". If it is decided to delete, then the category should be Merged to Category:Governors of Sicily (which would have to be created as a subcat of Category:Rulers of Sicily), since there is an important distinction between people who ruled Sicily in their own right, like the Norman kings, and governors who ruled on behalf of another. Furius (talk) 20:38, 14 December 2022 (UTC)


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Category:English-language education
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Category:Adult comics
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Category:Almoravid writers
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Category:Jewish fascists

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 * The result of the discussion was: split. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  10:00, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Jewish fascists to Category:Jewish fascists and Category:Neo-Nazis of Jewish descent
 * Nominator's rationale: There is an important distinction that needs to be made between Neo-Nazis who are of Jewish descent- which they oftentimes try to hide or deny, and fascists who are openly Jewish and incorporate Jewish identity with fascism. Both the Stern Gang and Frank Colin may be fascists, but a key difference is that the former are proudly Jewish and their Jewish heritage are key to their ideology, while the latter was openly antisemitic and tried to hide the fact that he came from a Jewish family.


 * Therefore, I suggest that this category should be split, with those that exhibit auto-antisemitism and Nazi sympathies belonging to the latter and the former for those that attempt to synthesize Jewish identity with fascism. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 03:06, 12 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Question, would Category:Neo-Nazis of Jewish descent consist of at least five articles? If not, better wait creating it. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:24, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I believe so. The articles I found that fit are:
 * Patrol 36
 * Dan Burros
 * Frank Collin
 * Davis Wolfgang Hawke
 * Joshua Ryne Goldberg
 * weev
 * Bobby Fischer (potentially) HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 14:07, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Then I support. You are right that they are quite different groups. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:00, 13 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. These are different defining characteristics. Dan Burros is the ideal member of "Neo-Nazis of Jewish descent", and he is entirely dissimilar to something like Brit HaBirionim. twsabin 14:47, 12 December 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Alphabetical musical instruments

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Obviously nonsensical category.  Vanjagenije   (talk)  23:29, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting alphabetical musical instruments
 * Nominator's rationale: Incorrect application of categories. There is a List of musical instruments for alphabetical sorting. twsabin 00:31, 12 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete: A very odd creation. Seasider53 (talk) 00:36, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. The name implies that, of the category of musical instruments, there is a subcategory that are considered alphabetical musical instruments. Categories, of course, already list their members alphabetically (providing DEFAULTSORTs are correctly set and various other tweaks are applied in the Category links in the respective articles). So this seems to serve no purpose. As the nominator notes, the creator (who is newly registered) may not have understood the differences between categories and lists, but we do already have the sortable table at List of musical instruments. Largoplazo (talk) 00:52, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: For the reasons listed above. Should be noted that the creator keeps removing the deletion tag from the category. Why? I Ask (talk) 01:35, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete nonsensical category. Binksternet (talk) 02:17, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete I have to confess that I don't even understand what this is for but I have found it annoying popping up all over and I am a bit baffled by its creator's behaviour. We should delete it then the editor should go to the Wikiproject and discuss their objectives. DBaK (talk) 10:35, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete and see Sockpuppet investigations/HollywoodREDIRECTOR. Fram (talk) 11:10, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - per above. Oculi (talk) 16:00, 12 December 2022 (UTC)


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