Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 December 25



Category:American football teams in Inglewood, California

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  07:02, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:American football teams in Inglewood, California to Category:Sports teams in Inglewood, California, Category:American football in Inglewood, California and Category:American football teams in California
 * Nominator's rationale: Small category. Merge to, , and . –Aidan721 (talk) 22:04, 25 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:27, 26 December 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Sports teams in Aurora, Illinois

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  07:03, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Sports teams in Aurora, Illinois to Category:Sports teams in Illinois and Category:Sports in Aurora, Illinois
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual merge to and . –Aidan721 (talk) 21:59, 25 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:28, 26 December 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Rugby union teams in New Orleans

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  07:03, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Rugby union teams in New Orleans to Category:Rugby union teams in Louisiana and Category:Sports teams in New Orleans
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual merge to, . –Aidan721 (talk) 21:39, 25 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:29, 26 December 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Rugby union teams in Baton Rouge, Louisiana

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  07:04, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Rugby union teams in Baton Rouge, Louisiana to Category:Rugby union teams in Louisiana and Category:Sports teams in Baton Rouge, Louisiana
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual merge to and . –Aidan721 (talk) 21:38, 25 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:32, 26 December 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Sports teams in Abbeville, Louisiana

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  07:04, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Sports teams in Abbeville, Louisiana to Category:Abbeville, Louisiana and Category:Professional baseball teams in Louisiana
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual merge to and . –Aidan721 (talk) 21:29, 25 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Abbeville, Louisiana. The two articles are already in the other category. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:36, 26 December 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Sports teams in Ruston, Louisiana

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  07:04, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Sports teams in Ruston, Louisiana to Category:Sports teams in Louisiana and Category:Sports in Ruston, Louisiana
 * Propose merging Category:Sports teams in Natchitoches, Louisiana to Category:Sports teams in Louisiana and Category:Sports in Natchitoches, Louisiana
 * Propose merging Category:Sports teams in Jeanerette, Louisiana to Category:Sports teams in Louisiana and Category:Sports in Jeanerette, Louisiana
 * Nominator's rationale: Dual merge to and Sports in CITY, Louisiana. –Aidan721 (talk) 21:22, 25 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:37, 26 December 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Romanians of Serbia

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  07:05, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Romanians of Serbia to Category:Romanians in Serbia
 * Nominator's rationale: See parent article Romanians in Serbia (recently moved from Romanians of Serbia). Super   Ψ   Dro  20:06, 25 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Support -- much clearer. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:02, 31 December 2022 (UTC)


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Ice hockey players by city
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Category:Ice hockey teams in Savannah, Georgia

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  07:07, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Ice hockey teams in Savannah, Georgia to Category:Sports teams in Savannah, Georgia and Category:Ice hockey teams in Georgia (U.S. state) and Category:Ice hockey in Savannah, Georgia
 * Nominator's rationale: One page. Merge to applicable parent categories. –Aidan721 (talk) 13:05, 25 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:37, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom except I would also suggest nominating Category:Ice hockey in Savannah, Georgia.--User:Namiba 16:39, 31 December 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Scholars under the Almoravid dynasty

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  08:24, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  07:08, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Scholars under the Almoravid dynasty to Category:People under the Almoravid dynasty
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:12, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * The Scholars layer in Category:Scholars of the medieval Islamic world by state is well-populated, so I don't think we should remove Almoravids from it. Would the sub-cat sit OK in that layer? In contrast, its other parent Category:Writers of the medieval Islamic world is not so well populated with sibling sub-cats by state. – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:50, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
 * That is an interesting point. It seems that scholars and writers are overlapping concepts: scholars is mostly used for categorization by state, writers is mostly used for categorization by topic or language, while articles are simultaneously in both trees. So, for consistency, Category:Almoravid writers Category:Writers under the Almoravid dynasty should be merged to Category:Scholars under the Almoravid dynasty. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:52, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

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 * Writers includes poets and religious leaders who may or may not have been scholars. I think I'd rather just keep the category layers as they are. I have moved a couple of people down from People to Scholars. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:43, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep per Fayenatic london; it seems like leaving a category with 3 entries is less messy than any other alternative. * Pppery * it has begun... 22:39, 26 December 2022 (UTC)


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Male YouTubers

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  07:10, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting Category:Male YouTubers
 * Propose deleting Category:American male YouTubers
 * Propose deleting Category:British male YouTubers
 * Propose deleting Category:English male YouTubers
 * Propose deleting Category:Canadian male YouTubers
 * Propose deleting Category:Japanese male YouTubers
 * Propose merging Category:Russian male YouTubers to Category:Russian YouTubers
 * Propose deleting Category:Swedish male YouTubers‎
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:OCEGRS, trivial intersection between occupation and gender. The Russian subcategory should be merged rather than deleted, it is not a non-diffusing category. This is entirely comparable to this other discussion which is still open. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:09, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Meanwhile the other discussion has been closed as "delete". Marcocapelle (talk) 19:28, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge/rename into a category that removes "male"—looking at, there are plenty of categories with the same criteria, though I think a combination category of ethnicity/gender is unneeded. For example, could be replaced by /; for this reason, I oppose deleting Category: Male YouTubers specifically. DecafPotato (talk) 19:29, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  08:25, 17 December 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  09:36, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete all as nominated. Do not think YouTubers should be classified by gender.  SnowFire (talk) 03:05, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment Curious why Category:Female YouTubers and all of its subcategories wasn't also nominated here. If there is a female/women category, there should be a male/men category. We learned that lesson years ago, the hard way. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 20:49, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
 * and disagree. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...  22:39, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @Pppery: Please see Male as norm for an encyclopedic description of the subject. Essentially, categorizing male YouTubers but not female YouTubers is like saying that male should be interpreted as "default" and female as "derivative", rather than both being equal—an example of gender bias on Wikipedia that people have been trying to correct for a long time now.
 * For the record, Categories Women by occupation and Men by occupation should be much closer in size to each other. DecafPotato (talk) 00:55, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
 * There is simply more literature about women in specific occupations than about men in specific occupations. Wikipedia just follows the real world. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:51, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Male is not the default—categorize both. This has historically been a large issue: see (paywalled) and . If we end up deleting the "male YouTubers" category, which it looks like we probably will, I cannot stress enough that we must delete Category:Female YouTubers as well. DecafPotato (talk) 22:10, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
 * That is not what WP:CATGENDER says. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:25, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
 * In regards to an example in which a balanced set of categories are not needed, it says:
 * As another example, a female heads of government category is valid as a topic of special encyclopedic interest, though it does not need to be balanced directly against a "Male heads of government" category, as historically the vast majority of political leaders have been male. Both male and female heads of government should continue to be filed in the appropriate gender-neutral role category (e.g. Presidents, Monarchs, Prime Ministers, Governors General). Do not create separate categories for male and female occupants of the same position, such as "Male Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom" vs. "Female Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom".
 * Is there any evidence suggesting the "vast majority" of content creators are male? DecafPotato (talk) 21:53, 29 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 22:39, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per SnowFire. Sergecross73   msg me  01:27, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge if not sufficiently done so, then delete.  Invading Invader  (userpage, talk) 17:00, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep all There is no valid basis for not categorizing YouTubers by gender, as we do with literary authors. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 14:00, 29 December 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Representatives of the Alba Iulia National Assembly
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  09:35, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  07:10, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Representatives of the Alba Iulia National Assembly to Category:Delegates of the Great National Assembly of Alba Iulia
 * Nominator's rationale: The members of the Great National Assembly of Alba Iulia were called "delegates", not "representatives", see the article for more info. Super   Ψ   Dro  13:04, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Rename per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 22:39, 26 December 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Q150
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  07:11, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting q150
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with just the main article and a subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:09, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

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 * Delete. I have added a link in the main article to the sub-cat. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:47, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * I have no idea why this needed to be relisted. Delete per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 22:39, 26 December 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Members of the Al-Mutairi tribe
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  07:12, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting members of the al-mutairi tribe
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, no evidence is provided that the two people in this category belong to this tribe. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:07, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  09:34, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Mutayr exists as an article on the tribe, and Al-Mutairi as a list of people with the name. Both member articles are now listed at the latter page. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:07, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 22:39, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete -- This comes close to categorisation by shared surname. Mutayr suggests that they all share a common male ancestor, but this is likely to be so long ago as not to provide a good basis for a category.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:09, 31 December 2022 (UTC)


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Scholars of Islam
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Category:Modes of production
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