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Category:People from Alford, Massachusetts

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  07:18, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Alford, Massachusetts to Category:People from Berkshire County, Massachusetts and Category:Alford, Massachusetts
 * Propose merging Category:People from Hancock, Massachusetts to Category:People from Berkshire County, Massachusetts and Category:Hancock, Massachusetts
 * Propose merging Category:People from Lanesboro, Massachusetts to Category:People from Berkshire County, Massachusetts and Category:Lanesborough, Massachusetts
 * Propose merging Category:People from Lanesborough, Massachusetts to Category:People from Berkshire County, Massachusetts and Category:Lanesborough, Massachusetts
 * Propose merging Category:People from Monterey, Massachusetts to Category:People from Berkshire County, Massachusetts and Category:Monterey, Massachusetts
 * Propose merging Category:People from New Marlborough, Massachusetts to Category:People from Berkshire County, Massachusetts and Category:New Marlborough, Massachusetts
 * Propose merging Category:People from Otis, Massachusetts to Category:People from Berkshire County, Massachusetts and Category:Otis, Massachusetts
 * Propose merging Category:People from Boxborough, Massachusetts to Category:People from Middlesex County, Massachusetts and Category:Boxborough, Massachusetts
 * Propose merging Category:People from Chester, Massachusetts to Category:People from Hampden County, Massachusetts and Category:Chester, Massachusetts
 * Propose merging Category:People from Avon, Massachusetts to Category:People from Norfolk County, Massachusetts and Category:Avon, Massachusetts
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. More appropriate to merge to county-level and town cat. –Aidan721 (talk) 19:14, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 08:53, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:COPSEP, unless the place category is merged too. For example Category:Alford, Massachusetts may well be merged to Category:Berkshire County, Massachusetts and in that case Category:People from Alford, Massachusetts may be merged to Category:People from Berkshire County, Massachusetts simultaneously. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:00, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Eliminated "town, Massachusetts" aspect of nomination per linked guideline. –Aidan721 (talk) 21:06, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Support as modified — still smarting after the long debate over every tiny hamlet and crossroads in Greece. Really should raise WP:SMALLCAT to at least 20.


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Category:Sportspeople from Newburyport, Massachusetts
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Category:Imperialist works

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  07:21, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting imperialist works
 * Nominator's rationale: Unlike Category:Works about imperialism, I cannot see a common thread joining these works, ranging from Left Behind to "What Russia Should Do with Ukraine". –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 14:29, 29 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete by lack of clear inclusion criteria. Surely this is not for works by advocates of imperialism. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:54, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per the arguments by the nominator and Marcocapelle. Also, it might violate NPOV, as it looks like the person was using it to say the literature in the category was done by imperialists, where imperialists are bad (not disagreeing that may were, such as Hitler since Mein Kampf is listed, but that becomes a judgment). Aboutmovies (talk) 22:16, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:12, 30 December 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Institutions run by Maharashtra Education Society

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William Allen Simpson (talk) 11:33, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  07:21, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Institutions run by Maharashtra Education Society to Category:Maharashtra Education Society
 * Nominator's rationale: Match below, as well as others such as Category:Deccan Education Society. This is the only remaining "Institutions run by" category.


 * Rename to avoid unusual "run by" expression. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:56, 29 December 2022 (UTC)


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Category:People educated at Ysgol Calon Cymru

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  07:22, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting people educated at ysgol calon cymru
 * Nominator's rationale: Single-entry alumni category for a high school. As always, this would be fine if there were five or ten people to file here, but it's not warranted as a WP:SMALLCAT for just one person. Bearcat (talk) 03:31, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Now has 3 members Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  08:56, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - I agree with this nomination. I am not able to find anyone else on Wikipedia that has this school on their page. Threevian (talk) 03:49, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:49, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep per the 'unless' clause of WP:SMALLCAT. I found another 2 from earlier versions of the school. It's not clear why this one has been singled out from Category:People educated by school in Wales, where several have only 1. Oculi (talk) 02:26, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Because I found this while working from the list of uncategorized categories, not from a category. Bearcat (talk) 14:58, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

William Allen Simpson (talk) 10:24, 29 December 2022 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 18:12, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep — with great reluctance. Looking at the category tree, there was a WP:SNOW keep for secondary schools in Wales. This would not be defining nor interesting navigation for more educated egalitarian parts of the world, but apparently the secondary school is important to the class system in the UK.
 * Ones in the US were kept long ago: 2008 April 21#High school alumni (United States). A recent snow keep was in fact addressed globally although only about 2100 UK alumni categories were tagged: 2021 December 5#Category:Alumni by educational institution. Several in Category:Alumni by high school in California (say) have 3 articles. 2019 April 5#Category:Paramus Catholic High School alumni is another US one. Oculi (talk) 14:06, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * But not listing every bloody HS in California, let alone states with similar populations to Wales. Except in very few cases of prestigious schools, simply not defining.
 * Weak keep -- now has three articles. We usually do allow alumni categories for high schools.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:23, 31 December 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Institutions run by Mata Amritanandamayi Math

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  07:25, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting institutions run by mata amritanandamayi math
 * Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization by association with an individual person. Bearcat (talk) 04:17, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  08:54, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Mata Amritanandamayi Math is a non-profit organization, not a person. "Run by" is an odd expression, the category should at least be renamed, possibly to Category:Mata Amritanandamayi Math. We also have Category:Universities and colleges affiliated with the Mata Amritanandamayi Math which should probably be merged. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:58, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

William Allen Simpson (talk) 11:19, 29 December 2022 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 17:57, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Category:Institutions run by Mata Amritanandamayi Math, but Keep Category:Universities and colleges affiliated with the Mata Amritanandamayi Math that is part of a well developed "affiliated with" tree. The only existing sub-Category:Amrita Hospital has aleady been handled due to a previous discussion.
 * Comment, the category has been emptied out of process. Presumably all content has been moved to Category:Mata Amritanandamayi Math as suggested in the discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:01, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd done the 2 in subcategory this morning after its discussion closed, then found more where the article was in both parent and (university) child categories. Since there were only a few to start, that effectively emptied it.


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Category:Major League Soccer MVP award winners

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  07:27, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting major league soccer mvp award winners
 * Nominator's rationale: Redundant to Category:Major League Soccer MVPs‎, an existing category.  Sounder Bruce  09:16, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
 * That's right. Category:Major League Soccer MVP award winners and Category:Major League Soccer MVPs are same category about MLS MVP winners.
 * Category name of Category:Major League Soccer MVPs is little bit vague, especially non English native speaker.
 * For a clarity and consistency with other title of sports MVP categories, I want to change the category name to Category:Major League Soccer MVP award winners like Category:Major League Baseball MVP award winners
 * What do you think of my opinion?
 * Footwiks (talk) Footwiks (talk) 11:00, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  08:47, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment This category has been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 01:27, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
 * If you agree name change of category title - Category:Major League Soccer MVP award winners, I'll move articles to new Category:Major League Soccer MVP award winners.Footwiks (talk) 12:38, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't understand, Footwiks. What articles are you going to move? As I said, the category has been emptied. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:08, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I mean, MLS award winners such as Guillermo Barros Schelotto, Landon Donovan, Currentely these players are classified as Category:Major League Soccer MVPs‎
 * For a clarity and consistency with other title of sports MVP categories, I want to classify MLS award winners as Category:Major League Soccer MVP award winners‎.Footwiks (talk) 02:39, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
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 * Delete per WP:OCAWARD, award winners categories are routinely deleted with rare exception (e.g. the Nobel prize is an exception). Marcocapelle (talk) 17:03, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 12:59, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per Marcocapelle. GiantSnowman 13:01, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Listify (if necessary) then Delete as we usually do with AWARD categories. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:25, 31 December 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Resonant trans-Neptunian objects
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  08:35, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  07:28, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:1:3 resonance to Category:Trans-Neptunian objects in a 1:3 resonance
 * Propose renaming Category:1:4 resonance to Category:Trans-Neptunian objects in a 1:4 resonance
 * Propose renaming Category:1:6 resonance to Category:Trans-Neptunian objects in a 1:6 resonance
 * Propose renaming Category:1:9 resonance to Category:Trans-Neptunian objects in a 1:9 resonance
 * Propose renaming Category:2:5 resonance to Category:Trans-Neptunian objects in a 2:5 resonance
 * Propose renaming Category:2:7 resonance to Category:Trans-Neptunian objects in a 2:7 resonance
 * Propose renaming Category:2:9 resonance to Category:Trans-Neptunian objects in a 2:9 resonance
 * Propose renaming Category:3:4 resonance to Category:Trans-Neptunian objects in a 3:4 resonance
 * Propose renaming Category:3:5 resonance to Category:Trans-Neptunian objects in a 3:5 resonance
 * Propose renaming Category:3:7 resonance to Category:Trans-Neptunian objects in a 3:7 resonance
 * Propose renaming Category:3:8 resonance to Category:Trans-Neptunian objects in a 3:8 resonance
 * Propose renaming Category:3:10 resonance to Category:Trans-Neptunian objects in a 3:10 resonance
 * Propose renaming Category:3:11 resonance to Category:Trans-Neptunian objects in a 3:11 resonance
 * Propose renaming Category:4:5 resonance to Category:Trans-Neptunian objects in a 4:5 resonance
 * Propose renaming Category:4:7 resonance to Category:Trans-Neptunian objects in a 4:7 resonance
 * Propose renaming Category:4:9 resonance to Category:Trans-Neptunian objects in a 4:9 resonance
 * Propose renaming Category:4:11 resonance to Category:Trans-Neptunian objects in a 4:11 resonance
 * Propose renaming Category:5:8 resonance to Category:Trans-Neptunian objects in a 5:8 resonance
 * Propose renaming Category:5:9 resonance to Category:Trans-Neptunian objects in a 5:9 resonance
 * Propose renaming Category:5:12 resonance to Category:Trans-Neptunian objects in a 5:12 resonance
 * Propose renaming Category:5:21 resonance to Category:Trans-Neptunian objects in a 5:21 resonance
 * Propose renaming Category:6:11 resonance to Category:Trans-Neptunian objects in a 6:11 resonance
 * Propose renaming Category:7:11 resonance to Category:Trans-Neptunian objects in a 7:11 resonance
 * Nominator's rationale: Not precise enough to understand the purpose of these categories, which are about trans-Neptunian object in various orbital resonances with Neptune. By convention, it is not necessary to specify Neptune for resonant TNOs. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 12:42, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
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William Allen Simpson (talk) 22:06, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Rename — The parent is Category:Resonant trans-Neptunian objects. The proposed names seem a bit long, but keep the current semantics. The sort tags should probably be the digits to keep the same sorting. Always fun to learn something new.


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20th-century sportsmen
Relisted, see Categories for discussion/Log/2023 January 6%2320th-century sportsmen

Category:Violence against Aboriginal Australians
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  07:33, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Violence against Aboriginal Australians to Category:Violence against Indigenous Australians
 * Nominator's rationale: For consistency with the parent and sub-category. Mitch Ames (talk) 04:27, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

William Allen Simpson (talk) 11:45, 29 December 2022 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 03:44, 30 December 2022 (UTC) William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:05, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * There is not one consistently used format, we also have e.g. Category:Australian Aboriginal cultural history and Category:Films about Aboriginal Australians. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:28, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * It's true that we don't have consistency everywhere, and it would be better if we did. In the meantime, we can fix individual categories where it is reasonable. For my specific proposal, note that "Aboriginal" is a subset of "Indigenous" (the latter also includes Torres Strait Islanders), so the current "Massacres of Indigenous Australians" as a subcat of "Violence against Aboriginal Australians" is not just inconsistent, it is incorrect. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:08, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Rename — for consistency here, and to encourage future consistency. The main article is Indigenous Australians.
 * Strong oppose until the wider array of naming is standardised at the larger project, piecemeal and random changes such as these do not help going toward any reasonable process of commonly agreed determination of what acceptable usage actually is. Consistency at this point is of no help to anyone, and is not 'reasonable'. JarrahTree 02:10, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:IDLI, WP:CITINGGREATERPROBLEMS. It's already been "standardised at the larger project". The nominator has already pointed to the existing parent and children. I've already showed the main article. We generally don't do dozens or hundreds of categories (waste of tagging and processing time), we do them piecemeal as exemplars. After discussion here is closed, others are handled speedily.
 * — Please provide a link to the relevant discussions about addressing this problem - I look forward to reading your positive suggestions and contributions about how to address the matter. Mitch Ames (talk) 04:17, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * — As I previously mentioned, independently of consistency, the current category structure is factually wrong - Indigenous Australians‎ are not a subset of Aboriginal Australians, so Massacres of Indigenous Australians‎ cannot be a subcategory of Violence against Aboriginal Australians. However I'm happy consider your alternative proposal for fixing the factual error. Mitch Ames (talk) 04:17, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * This could be easily fixed by inserting Category:Violence against Indigenous Australians as the parent of Category:Violence against Aboriginal Australians. But then we'd have potentially hundreds of wrapper categories that contain only one subcategory. Your nomination is better.


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Category:Present empires
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William Allen Simpson (talk) 04:26, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  07:34, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting present empires
 * Propose deleting american empire
 * Propose deleting chinese empire
 * Propose deleting new russian empire
 * Nominator's rationale: These do not actually exist, and are not common usage. Very recent creation that interferes with well established naming conventions. May require MANUAL REVERT to previous categories.


 * Delete per WP:NONDEF. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:20, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Unlike Category:History of United States expansionism, etc., this is attempting to establish a neologism and a POV. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 14:17, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:13, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Mellk (talk) 02:17, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom - Jjpachano (talk)


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