Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 December 9



Category:Wheelchair users

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  08:23, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Wheelchair users into Category:Politicians with paraplegia, Category:People with paraplegia, and Category:People with tetraplegia since people in this category always use wheelchairs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidgoodheart (talk • contribs)


 * but is the reverse also true: do all wheelchair users have paraplegia? If not, a reverse merge might be more appropriate. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:11, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I am not yet sure about this. First lets see what other people think about this. Now I see that this doesn't apply to every case. Davidgoodheart (talk) 08:19, 10 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose  Comment  What about people with paraplegia who use other assistive tech? Or people before wheelchairs were invented? I'd need a much more compelling rationale to support this Mason (talk) 23:10, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm changing my recommendation from comment to Oppose 22:30, 16 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose Not all wheelchair users have paraplegia or tetraplegia. Several current members of this category do not (Helen Anne Henderson - MS, Ruth Madeley - spina bifida, Beryl Potter - triple amputee, to name just the first three I could think of off the top of my head). Marcocapelle's suggestion of a reverse merge may be more appropriate, but I am inclined to agree with Mason that such a merge would have its own issues. Samsmachado (talk) 20:34, 12 December 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Global Alliance for Banking on Values

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 * The result of the discussion was: manual merge to Category:Community development financial institutions or appropriate subcats. (I also made a list in the main article.) – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:56, 31 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting global alliance for banking on values
 * Nominator's rationale: Big corporations like banks are members of hundreds if not thousands of trade bodies. If the trade body is notable (which in this case I highly doubt—Wikipedia's page on it is a pseudoarticle sourced only to their own website), then it's reasonable to have a list page for people to see the members. Having a standalone category for something this tangential to the pages within it is nonsensical, though; if followed through, some articles would be in literally thousands of categories. &#8209; Iridescent 06:50, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  17:39, 1 December 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  22:06, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, just a membership is hardly ever a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:42, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * repurpose -- This is an association of credit unions and other micro-finance providers. The main article uses the term "values-based banking".  I assume that these banks etc conform to a standard defined by the alliance, making them a genuine category of banks.  We can thus make this into a category for such institutions.  Peterkingiron (talk) 19:17, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * That is an interesting point. I am still not in favor of keeping the category, but at least the content should be upmerged to Category:Community development financial institutions which reflects this particular type of institutions. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:41, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:32, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to parent Category:Community development financial institutions and diffuse to sibling Category:Credit unions as suggested.


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William Allen Simpson (talk) 18:31, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
 * is it perhaps possible to re-open this discussion? Looking at it with a fresh eye it seems that the other parent Category:Ethical banking is a much better merge target. Or in other words, Category:Community development financial institutions is too specific as a merge target. By the way, the outcome of the discussion was not implemented yet pending manual checking. That is why I returned here in the first place. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:10, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
 * then there should be a split. I'm a credit union member, my parents were credit union members, I liked the merge to credit unions. As to whether each member is "ethical" or "community development" should be deterimined on a case by case basis.
 * (as closer) By all means merge to better targets in the other parent hierarchy where appropriate. – Fayenatic  L ondon 19:35, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
 * if an individual article is about a credit union then of course it should be added to the credit union category too, but that can be done irrespective of this discussion. The discussion is about where the Global Alliance for Banking on Values as a whole belongs, and that is in ethical banking (if only, the word Values implies it is about ethics). Marcocapelle (talk) 20:41, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

American women activists

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  17:39, 1 December 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  22:06, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: Containerise / Merge per nomination. – Fayenatic  L ondon 12:20, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose containerizing Category:American women activists
 * Propose merging Category:Kentucky women activists to Category:Activists from Kentucky
 * Propose containerizing Category:Puerto Rican women activists and manually merge to Category:Puerto Rican activists if needed
 * Nominator's rationale: merge/containerize per WP:EGRS, activists in general need not be diffused by gender. Of course there are specific women's rights activists categories that should stay, but they are based on issue, not on gender per se. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:17, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

William Allen Simpson (talk) 09:27, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. — Qwerfjkl  talk  08:27, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge — Manually as necessary. This is obviously needed, but helping hands are scarce this time of year, so I'll volunteer non-administratively.


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Category:Members of the Al-Mutairi tribe
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 December 17%23Category:Members of the Al-Mutairi tribe

Category:Men by behavior
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 December 17%23Category:Men by behavior

Category:Scholars under the Almoravid dynasty
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 December 17%23Category:Scholars under the Almoravid dynasty

Male YouTubers
Relisted, see Categories for discussion/Log/2022 December 17%23Male YouTubers

Category:WikiProject Rugby league (State of Origin) members

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  08:26, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikiproject rugby league (state of origin) members
 * Nominator's rationale: category for members of a project task force which doesn't exist. Nthep (talk) 12:42, 9 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:41, 10 December 2022 (UTC)


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Category:WikiProject Rugby league (State of Origin)

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  08:26, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikiproject rugby league (state of origin)
 * Nominator's rationale: category for a project task force that doesn't exist. Nthep (talk) 12:41, 9 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:42, 10 December 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Video games about X

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. Withdrawn. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:26, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting
 * video games about pirates
 * video games about robots
 * video games about skeletons
 * video games about cyborgs
 * video games about birthdays
 * video games about cats
 * video games about time loops
 * video games about food and drink
 * video games about zombies
 * video games about magic
 * video games about alien visitations
 * video games about terrorism
 * video games about death
 * video games about animals
 * video games about the illegal drug trade
 * video games about mecha
 * video games about cults
 * video games about mental disorders
 * video games about viral outbreaks
 * video games about vampires
 * video games about demons
 * video games about mental health
 * video games about firefighting
 * video games about video games
 * video games about children
 * video games about dragons
 * video games about samurai
 * video games about raccoons
 * video games about dogs
 * video games about urban legends
 * video games about religion
 * video games about foxes
 * video games about spirit possession
 * video games about wolves
 * video games about legendary creatures
 * video games about technology
 * video games about time travel
 * video games about ghosts
 * video games about microbes
 * video games about nuclear war and weapons
 * video games about spiders
 * video games about the afterlife
 * video games about police officers
 * video games about virtual reality
 * video games about angels
 * video games about primates
 * video games about jack the ripper
 * video games about slavery
 * video games about genies
 * video games about nightmares
 * video games about psychic powers
 * video games about death games
 * video games about mice and rats
 * video games about the united states marine corps
 * video games about nuclear technology
 * video games about curses
 * video games about the paranormal
 * video games about witchcraft
 * video games about delta force
 * video games about dreams
 * video games about bomb disposal
 * video games about toys
 * video games about bears
 * video games about extraterrestrial life
 * video games about exorcism
 * video games about nazi germany
 * video games about evolution
 * video games about ants
 * video games about reptiles
 * video games about mass surveillance
 * video games about the united states navy seals
 * video games about telekinesis
 * video games about cloning
 * video games about amnesia
 * video games about rabbits and hares
 * video games about plants
 * video games about taxis
 * video games about amphibians
 * video games about suicide
 * video games about birds
 * video games about ninja
 * video games about security and surveillance
 * video games about world war ii alternate histories
 * video games about pigs
 * video games about clowns
 * video games about nazis
 * video games about the special air service
 * video games about artificial intelligence
 * video games about insects
 * video games about ancient astronauts
 * video games about disasters
 * video games about multiple time paths
 * video games about size change
 * video games about god
 * video games about revenge
 * video games about the american revolution
 * video games about cannibalism
 * video games about the battle of the bulge
 * video games about parallel universes
 * video games about impact events
 * video games about crime
 * video games about genetic engineering
 * video games about siblings
 * video games about gladiatorial combat
 * video games about families
 * video games about influenza outbreaks
 * video games about kangaroos and wallabies
 * video games about chemical war and weapons
 * video games about satanism
 * video games about shapeshifting
 * video games about old age
 * video games about telepathy
 * video games about space warfare
 * video games about valkyries
 * video games about diseases
 * Nominator's rationale: Not WP:CATDEF; as a followup to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 November 5. Qwerfjkl  talk  11:38, 9 December 2022 (UTC)


 * By this logic, shouldn't the Films about X categories be deleted as well? HarmonyBunny00 (talk) 13:47, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. We are seriously throwing out the baby with the bathwater here. Whether or not the categories are over-applied is one discussion, but deleting the whole set outright is another entirely. We're deleting the category about time travel? We're deleting the category about the American Revolution? About Nazi Germany? About ninjas? Are we really arguing here that ninjas are not a defining feature of any game? I can easily point to Ninja Gaiden, Shinobi, or Mark of the Ninja, where being a ninja is the entire point of the game. Here are some reliable source lists specifically about ninja games, which I found easily in the first page of a Google search. The premise of this nomination -- that playing as a ninja is inherently not a defining feature per WP:CATDEF -- appears false to me on its face. Let's take a look at some other categories, too. What about the time loop category; are time loops not a defining feature of, say, Deathloop or The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask? Is being a police officer not a defining feature of the Police Quest series? Are the Navy SEALs not a defining feature of SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs? Is being a samurai not a defining feature of Ghost of Tsushima? Is being a cat not the defining feature of Stray? This nomination is painting way too broad of a brush here. Lastly, as observed above, such a sweeping deletion would put the equivalent categories for film and literature in jeopardy too. Phediuk (talk) 15:53, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Phediuk, who says it all. Perhaps there are some categories here that could go, but the mass nomination is an overreach. BD2412  T 03:25, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Phediuk. Waxworker (talk) 09:55, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above. Mass nominations, destroying hundreds of users work in one easy place, should not be "a thing" on such a renowned project. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:23, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose Being a video game about a pirate or disasters is absolutely defining (see Assassins Creed: Black Flag and Disaster Report, respectively). You might have an argument for some of the categories here, but certainly not all of them at once. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:00, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, we've had contact before about some categories and while I absolutely believe several of these can go (Video games about curses, Video games about birthdays) and some other just too similar (Video games about influenza outbreaks, Video games about diseases) I think this is an overzealous nomination. Like Phediuk pointed out, several of these categories do make sense. I have to oppose as well. soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 13:18, 11 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Strong oppose per Pheduik. Perhaps it's best if we don't remove all of these categories that focuses on a central theme of the game(s) which they are included in. We might remove some of them yes, but certainly not all of the categories the OP nominated in the first place. HarmonyBunny00 (talk) 14:32, 11 December 2022 (UTC)


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