Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 January 11



Former baseball leagues

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge multiple categories per the proposal. (non-admin closure) (t &#183; c)  buidhe  21:43, 5 February 2022 (UTC)


 * 'Merge per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:19, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge as per nom, every team is now a former team. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:41, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. I would also suggest Category:Baseball teams in the United States by former league be retained, and Category:Baseball teams in the United States by league be removed. Note that corresponding categories of all leagues that were replaced as part of the 2021 MiLB Reorganization should be merged – not just those of the recently disambiguated ones. Waz8:T-C-E 04:44, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
 * 'Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 19:53, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Marge per nom. BRMo (talk) 21:42, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge since the leagues no longer exist. Even if the leagues did exist I would question the need at the category level to distinguish former and current teams, but it is clearly not needed here.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:34, 26 January 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Religion-related WikiProjects

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 03:57, 19 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep There's a meaningful distinction between "WikiProjects related to Religion" and "Pages that are part of WikiProject Religion". * Pppery * it has begun... 04:19, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose "Category:WikiProject Religion" is for WP:WikiProject Religion, a specific wikiproject for religion. While "Category:Religion-related WikiProjects" is a categorization of wikiprojects, and is not about WikiProject Religion. -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 05:24, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment I see no point in merging every single Wikiproject on any religious topic into WikiProject Religion, as a workgroup, taskforce, or invisible element -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 05:35, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * 'Keep per Pppery. --Just N. (talk) 19:54, 16 January 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Christianity WikiProjects

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:00, 19 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep per above. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:19, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose "Category:WikiProject Christianity" is for WP:WikiProject Christianity, a specific wikiproject for Christianity. While "Category:Christianity WikiProjects" is a categorization of wikiprojects, and is not about WikiProject Christianity in particular. -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 05:29, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment if you want to merge all these wikiproject together as workgroups or nonexistant elements, into WikiProject Christianity, this is not the way to do it -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 05:33, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose -- The subject is parenting half a dozen projects on different aspects of Christianity, which are much netter kept separate. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:46, 12 January 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Jewish-related WikiProjects

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:01, 19 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep per above. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:19, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose "Category:WikiProject Judaism" is for WP:WikiProject Judaism, a specific wikiproject for Judaism. While "Jewish-related WikiProjects" is a categorization of wikiprojects, and is not about WikiProject Judaism. -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 05:33, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment if you want to merge all these wikiproject together as workgroups or nonexistant elements, into WikiProject Judaism, this is not the way to do it -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 05:33, 12 January 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Types of fire
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Category:Works about race and ethnicity

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 * The result of the discussion was: purge certain sub-cats as discussed. E.g. Category:Jewish American novels should not be in Category:Novels about race and ethnicity; it belongs rather in Category:American novels by ethnic background (and is in that one already). – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:58, 2 March 2022 (UTC)


 * It seems that articles directly contained in categories like Category:Jewish American novels and Category:Jewish American plays do properly belong with a parent cat like Category:Books about race and ethnicity, in that they are about Jewish culture or themes, not merely written by Jewish authors (in fact, it seems some of the works in these categories were authored by gentiles). The problem is that this is not consistent with the subcategories contained in these cats, such as Category:Novels by Isaac Asimov. I would suggest removing these by-author subcats, and making it clear in the category descriptions that the category criteria are based on the content of the work, not the identity of the author. We could even rename the original categories to something like "Plays with Jewish themes", or "Plays about Jewish culture", if that clarifies the scope. Additionally, if it's seen as a useful categorization, we could split off separate categories for works by the race/ethnicity of their creators, like Category:Novels by Jewish Americans (compare, e.g. Category:Literature by African-American women). Colin M (talk) 21:17, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * That makes sense. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:27, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Why are works that portray the culture or themes of groups classified as "minorities" in the US about "race and ethnicity"? If these works explicitly address question of inter-community relations, that's fine, but a work e.g. about Jewish life in the US is per se just as "race and ethnicity"-related as works by majority descendants from the first settlers from the British Isles portaying "white" American life. Does The Catcher in the Rye appear in a subcategory of Category:Works about race and ethnicity? –Austronesier (talk) 18:55, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * One good reason for this apparent inconsistency is WP:CATVER. I doubt you'll find reliable sources that refer to Catcher in the Rye as a "white novel" or a novel about "white culture", whereas there are lots of RS that will refer to works as belonging to the corpus of Jewish-American literature or African-American literature or whatever. Colin M (talk) 18:04, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Again, why are "works [...] belonging to the corpus of Jewish-American literature or African-American literature" "works about race and ethnicity"? –Austronesier (talk) 20:24, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * They aren't necessarily. The fact that a phrase like "Jewish-American literature" is ambiguous (possibly referring to writing by Jewish-Americans, or about them) is the central issue at hand here. Colin M (talk) 21:17, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The central issue is whether works about Jewish-Americans etc. are a priori about "race and ethnicity" at all. A work about "race and ethnicity" is a work that topicalizes race/ethnicity-related themes such as identity, discrimination, segregation, assimilation, inter-communal relations etc. A work that simply covers people from an individual group does not automatically do that. The category discussed here is not Category:Works by artists from U.S. minority groups nor Category:Works covering themes about U.S. minority groups, or whatever they may be called. –Austronesier (talk) 11:02, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Come to think of it, in the fiction subsections, where do you draw the line? Fantasy often has all kinds of races running around, sometimes with a real-world analogy on purpose. Some of Asimovs novels have Earth-humans being oppressed by not-Earth-humans, and then there's the sentient robots. Is The Churkendoose about race and ethnicity? Then again, following WP:CATVER will probably help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:17, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, inclusion in Category:Works about race and ethnicity should be based on WP:CATVER. If an RS says that a work by a writer of whatever ethnic background is about race and/or ethnicity, then it can be included in the main category (or in a subcategory grouped by artistic genre). For the parent category of Category:Jewish American novels etc., if understood to be about the ethnicity of the author, we should better follow the naming convention of Category:American culture by ethnicity. The question of sorting by topic or author however is tricky; just look at African American literature and Jewish American literature. While the former is conceptualized based on authors, the latter strongly goes by topic. –Austronesier (talk) 13:07, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Purge subcategories per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:25, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
 * which subcategories are you referring to? I see two possible solutions to the problem presented in the nom depending on what you see as the appropriate semantics for categories such as Category:African-American novels. We could either remove such categories from parent cats such as Category:Novels about race and ethnicity (if we think membership should be based on the background of the author), or we could remove subcats like Category:Novels by Octavia Butler (if we think membership should be based on the content of the works). Colin M (talk) 18:11, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Background of author/content of work is indeed a good question (or make different 2 cats for them), and "the answer" is not obvious to me. Off the top of my head, background of author seems easier. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:26, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I had in mind purging e.g. Category:Novels by Isaac Asimov from Category:Jewish American novels, assuming the latter is a category for a genre. If the latter is meant for ethnicity of the writer, then the category would collect completely unrelated novels. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:13, 15 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Remove subcategories per nom. Category:Jewish American novels etc. do not belong here. If individual works in Category:Jewish American novels etc. are actually about "race and ethnicity", they can be directly assigned to the main cat. –Austronesier (talk) 20:27, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Purge subcategories per nom and above discussions. IF you're from say, Pakistan, you don't have to write about being from Pakistan; you may much more likely write about life, love and everything else. Place Clichy (talk) 22:27, 11 February 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Films based on works by John Green (author)

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:23, 19 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose - it is quite amazing that Talk:John_Green succeeded in elevating this John Green amongst all others listed on John Green (disambiguation). Also the category is not tagged. Oculi (talk) 20:05, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. --Just N. (talk) 20:03, 16 January 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Novels by John Green (author)

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:26, 19 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose - it is quite amazing that Talk:John Green succeeded in elevating this John Green amongst all others listed on John Green (disambiguation). Also the category is not tagged. Oculi (talk) 20:05, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose the rename move reeks of presentism. Wikipedia should not have done it. There is no reason to follow the flawed logic there here.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:14, 13 January 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedians who use VSCodium
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 19 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Speedy if possible. --Just N. (talk) 20:05, 16 January 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Cosmology articles needing infoboxes
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:37, 19 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment Just another case of some Wikipedian got lost and his installations remain unused. Take it with a smile. --Just N. (talk) 20:08, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 20:08, 16 January 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Buried in Bydgoszcz
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:47, 2 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete - per previous discussion 2021 July 3#Category:Burials in Bydgoszcz under the more usual name. Oculi (talk) 16:14, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Bydgoszcz to prevent Category:Burials in Nowofarny cemetery in Bydgoszcz being orphaned from the place. This should have been done on closure of the previous CfD, but apparently was not.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:32, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete and relocate the subcategory just like I said in the previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:59, 11 January 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Public Utilities Commission elections
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 * The result of the discussion was: Speedy delete per author request (non-admin closure) * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 04:19, 12 January 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Non-English Teams in the FA Cup
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:45, 2 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete I was going to say listfy, then spotted the list in the category, which does a much better job. An interesting attribute, but not a defining one, and probably WP:OVERCAT by performance too.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 18:19, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment -- This is largely a historic category, apparently going back to a period when there was not a separate league in Wales, so that Welsh clubs were eligible for the FA Cup. It also seems to list a few Scottish and Channel Islands clubs.  This is a somewhat misleading category, as they are non-English clubs that have played in the cup, not ones that currently do so.  I would have suggested listifying, but this is unnecessary, as the existing list does the job much better.  If I had prepared the list, I would have placed the two Channel islands sections together.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:46, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 17:41, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - not needed. GiantSnowman 17:42, 12 January 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Rugby union players from Kidderminster
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:39, 19 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Merge -- also the Redditch category, which only has three articles. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:47, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge per nominator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:11, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge Happy with a merge here, although has anybody checked that there aren't any other Kidderminster born rugby players, as the category creator didn't always add all players to categories. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 19:49, 12 January 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Lists of honors and awards received by presidents of the United States
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:43, 2 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Support - seems to be the format used in Category:Lists of awards received by person. Oculi (talk) 16:37, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. --Just N. (talk) 20:11, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Support makes it streamlined and alphabetical. --Woko Sapien (talk) 16:51, 31 January 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Naturalised soccer players by nationality
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Naturalised association football players by nationality. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:40, 2 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Support 'z' version, per the global Category:Naturalized citizens. Oculi (talk) 16:29, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The main category Category:Naturalized citizens by nation has multiple subcategories that used "naturalised". We shouldn't be defaulting to US spelling, especially when it's other parent category uses "s": Category:Naturalised sports competitors. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 15:06, 12 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Support but with s. We have two subcategories, Australia and Hong Kong, in both of which the usual spelling is British English.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:56, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Which should be retained (although the Hong Kong one uses 'z'). Local categories follow local rules, global ones do not. Oculi (talk) 20:09, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Support with s we shouldn't default to US terminology and spellings, so use naturalised (as we would do for other countries that use that ENGVAR). Also, it's consistent with parent category Category:Naturalised sports competitors. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 00:25, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Seeing a little more in detail, the article Naturalization should be renamed Naturalisation to make consistent with the 's' option.--MonFrontieres (talk) 14:53, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 17:41, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * support 'Naturalized association football players by nationality' as above - although I would prefer to delete this and the sub-categories, not defining OVERCAT, and not a standard category in this sport (hence why there are only two entries). GiantSnowman 17:44, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * you might want to nominate the subcategories for deletion in a separate fresh discussion, as this discussion focused primarily on renaming. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:29, 13 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Support but with s. --Just N. (talk) 20:13, 16 January 2022 (UTC)


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