Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 January 17



Category:Songs about days
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 March 5%23Category:Songs about days

Category:Songs about nights

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: keep, but purge content for which the category is irrelevant or non-defining. It might be helpful to note the rationale(s) for at least some of such removals on the category talk page for future reference. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:41, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: WP:SHAREDNAME. Are all these songs really about nights besides some form of the word "night" being in the title? Seems like a bit of an obscure connection. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 22:51, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting songs about nights


 * Comment The category's creator, seems to have had a good idea, but it has recently been expanded. Many of the songs on my watchlist that have the word "night" or "tonight" in them have been added, and yet they are not  nights, they are simply discussing things that have or may occur on a given night. As long as the categories entries are duly vetted, I think it could be a good cat, otherwise, it makes no sense to keep it and will become fodder for edit wars. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:31, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: The songs refer to nights as a moment of loneliness, partying or a memorable romantic moment. In all cases it gives the protagonist in the song a certain perspective about these nights. They serve as mood pieces. The songs aren't just about his/her emotions alone, but also put them in a certain time frame. When the word "Tonight" is used, it provides the protagonist of the song with an anticipation about the upcoming night. In all cases the songs put a strong emphasis on nights and would make less sense if the lyrics didn't directly refer to it. User:Kjell Knudde 10:27, 18 January 2022 (UTC)}}.
 * Keep. Certainly some pruning is in order. However while Vincent (Don McLean song) ("Starry starry night" in the refrain) is not truly on the night, songs such as Star Light, Star Bright, Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star, or Lonely Nights are certainly centred around the concept of the night. Mvqr  (talk) 11:27, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep I'm going to repeat what I said above: The problem is not with the actual category but whether the pages in the category have supporting evidence to be included in said category, as per WP:CATV. This is only an issue if the editor adding the category is introducing original research or not at least skimming the article beforehand to learn about the song's true meaning, therefore adding an incorrect category. There are some cases where "night" is being used metaphorically, but this problem is not rooted within the category itself. ResPM  (T&#x1F508;&#x1F3B5;C) 13:50, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep -- Concur with related comments above. - JGabbard (talk) 15:07, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. How are redirects added to this category? It ignores everything that Categorization says. and the creator is already well aware of what the guidelines are and still he spends his days referring to song titles he can add into categories. I checked one song, A Rainy Night in Soho which is totally silent on what the lyrics are about, but doesn't stop it being in Songs about London, Songs about weather, Songs about nights. I am sure if I checked there will be an isntrumental in there - which is not a song either!!! These categories provide no assistance to navigation because the contents are not defining. --Richhoncho (talk) 19:00, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Purge articles about songs that aren't about a night about nights (as a noun). As a starter, purge all that are about "tonight". Marcocapelle (talk) 20:30, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Marcocapelle, this would be a good category for you to start what you preach. If more people would purge maybe I could change from delete to keep, or perhaps you might change to delete when you actually see how useless these categories have become? --Richhoncho (talk) 22:45, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete a living embodiment of everything categorisation is not supposed to be. These provide no help to readers interested in finding related articles, nor are they every, or maybe at the absolute best very rarely, a defining characteristic. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 03:01, 5 February 2022 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:ARPG MMO hybrid games

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Action role-playing video games. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:46, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Without a main article to base this on, this category feels like a case of WP:NARROWCAT. If this category is kept, it desperately needs a rename. The current name is completely made up and yields no google results other than Wikipedia. Axem Titanium (talk) 21:54, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting arpg mmo hybrid games


 * Please stop spreading misinformation. #1, #2 & #3. --Pek~enwiki (talk) 22:31, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * This search produces only Wikipedia and Wikipedia mirrors. At any rate, it's still a very narrow category. I would support merge per Marcocapelle. Axem Titanium (talk) 01:09, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * There is no well established abbreviation, but the terms I found in use are MMOARPG, Action-MMORPG, MMO Action-RPG and ARPG MMO. We could also use the term massively multiplayer online action role-playing video game, but its very long. --Pek~enwiki (talk) 22:31, 17 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Massively multiplayer online role-playing games aligning with article Massively multiplayer online role-playing game. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:40, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Question to is there a reason not to merge also to the other parent, Category:Action role-playing video games? – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:39, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
 * There doesn't appear to be any reason not to. FWIW, all 6 articles in this category are already also in the main MMORPG category. Axem Titanium (talk) 03:16, 5 March 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Fractional airlines
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 February 4%23Category:Fractional airlines

Category:Academics of the Helsinki University of Technology

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: reverse merge. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:21, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Seem to be the same thing Rathfelder (talk) 19:00, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Academics of the Helsinki University of Technology to Category:Helsinki University of Technology faculty


 * Reverse merge - the creator of the newer one (Rathfelder) should have noticed the existence of the earlier one. Regardless of the outcome of this cfd, terminology in Category:Faculty by university or college in Finland should be harmonised (one way or the other). Oculi (talk) 19:08, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Oculi is right on both counts.  I think the reason I missed the earlier category because it wasnt in the form I was expecting.  But I am afraid earlier efforts to agree the form of these categories have not got anywhere.  Is there any mechanism which might help?  Rathfelder (talk) 14:09, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Wait and relist nominating all Finnish siblings. I do not speak Finnish and have no idea whether the most appropriate translation is the Americanism of faculty (used for 9) or the British norm of academics (7 cases) in the parent.  Certainly all 16 should be harmonised one way or the other.  Is there a Finnish speaker who can advise?  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:48, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Reverse merge (or else merge), the two categories have the same scope. Merging does not have to wait for a broader renaming proposal: even when there is no consensus to rename any of the siblings, the merge should still go ahead. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:12, 23 January 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Smog (band) albums

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Bill Callahan (musician) albums. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:18, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Artist has a significant number of projects under both names (14 as Smog, 8 as Bill Callahan) and I think it would make sense to keep those names separate in this regard. QuietHere (talk) 12:19, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Smog (band) albums to Category:Smog (band) albums and Category:Bill Callahan albums


 * It seems like we could just rename to Category:Bill Callahan (musician) albums since Smog (band) redirects to the the Callahan article and convert Category:Smog (band) albums to a category redirect. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 23:10, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I can definitely support this solution. QuietHere (talk) 23:49, 17 January 2022 (UTC)


 * The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.