Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 January 20



Category:Maltese-language writers from Malta

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  bibliomaniac  1  5  07:02, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: The general rule is that we dont categorise people by language if they use the language of their country. Rathfelder (talk) 18:18, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Maltese-language writers from Malta to Category:Maltese writers


 * Support in principle per nom, but just delete because the articles are already in the various subcategories of Category:Maltese writers. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:28, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Object the target should be Category:Maltese-language writers. English is a widely used language in Malta and I expect there are Maltese people who write in English or mainly so.  I doubt there will be many writers in that language elsewhere.  We should not merge writers in one language with those in another.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:28, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Not sure that is a good idea because it would remove these writers from the tree of Category:Writers by nationality. In addition, there is already a Category:English-language writers from Malta to keep English- en Maltese-language writers apart. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:19, 23 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom as amended by Marcocapelle. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:26, 6 March 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Beauty pageant films

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:22, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: For consistency with other "films about" categories. DonIago (talk) 17:05, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Beauty pageant films to Category:Films about beauty pageants


 * Comment Are there any "Beauty pageants on film"? At one time they were regularly on TV, so that the possibility of a non-fiction film exists.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:31, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * There's films that feature beauty pageants as part of the plot. DonIago (talk) 16:47, 23 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Support per nom, close to WP:C2C. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:59, 27 January 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Bol family

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:01, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT, this is unlikely to hold more than the two current articles for the foreseeable future. User:Namiba 13:51, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting bol family


 * Delete per nom. Rikster2 (talk) 10:33, 21 January 2022 (UTC)


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3rd millennium in Nepal provinces

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:06, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Not helpful for navigation, as they only contain one sub-category each (C21). There are no equivalent categories in Category:2nd millennium in Nepal, and most other countries in Category:3rd millennium by country do not have such sub-cats. – Fayenatic L ondon 08:32, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting 3rd millennium in bagmati province
 * Propose deleting 3rd millennium in gandaki province
 * Propose deleting 3rd millennium in karnali province
 * Propose deleting 3rd millennium in lumbini province
 * Propose deleting 3rd millennium in province no. 1
 * Propose deleting 3rd millennium in madhesh province
 * Propose deleting 3rd millennium in sudurpashchim province


 * Delete -- Millennium categories are rarely warranted. If the top periodic category is centuries, there will be few cases where there would even be 30 subcategories (back to 800 BC),  In a very few cases, we might go back another 20 centuries, but 50 subcats in a container is not too many.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:24, 23 January 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedians who use Wikiplus

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was: WP:SOFTDELETE. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:20, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Contains only Template:User Wikiplus and User:Kinosang. Note that User:镜音铃/Wikiplus (which I do not endorse and do not know whether it's safe) appears to be licensed with only the Apache License meaning we can't host a local copy. The instructions to load it from a non-Wikimedia domain (which is a bad idea anyway) will no longer work once the cross-origin resource sharing gets enabled here. (it's already enabled on beta cluster) — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 05:41, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians who use wikiplus

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 07:25, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep CfD should not be used to adjucate an content dispute than has little to do with categories. This category is no less useful than any of the others in Category:Wikipedians by Wikipedia-related software. If Template:User Wikiplus gets deleted, then this can be speedied as G8. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:58, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * , the related template could be kept, deleted or userfied. If the template gets deleted, the category could indeed be speedied. If the template is kept or userfied, I think the category should still be deleted as it contains only 1 user. And that number isn't expected to go up as CORS once enabled will prevent any convenient way of loading Wikiplus. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 22:24, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment' I'd recommend to delete it while/if there is no substance added. Del per SMALLCAT. --Just N. (talk) 20:40, 19 January 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Forced disappearances in Iran

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:21, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 07:10, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Now two, I added Saleh Kamrani. There are thousands of other cases, some of notable people, so this can be populated with more.-- Mvqr (talk) 12:06, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Mvqr, or perhaps merge into a new . GiantSnowman 12:12, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Unclear. Maybe there are a lot of cases to be added in some near future. Up to that we would have to merge. Maybe to a new category Enforced disappearances in Asia. --Just N. (talk) 20:32, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose and populate -- There are lots of people who have disappeared, sometimes being found murdered. We might rename to Category:Enforced disappearances in Iran.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:27, 23 January 2022 (UTC)


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Category:14th-century Azerbaijani poets

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:32, 6 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Propose deleting 14th-century azerbaijani poets
 * Propose deleting 14th-century azerbaijani people
 * Propose deleting 14th-century azerbaijani writers
 * Propose deleting 15th-century azerbaijani poets
 * Propose deleting 15th-century azerbaijani writers
 * Propose deleting 16th-century azerbaijani poets
 * Propose deleting 16th-century azerbaijani writers
 * Propose deleting 18th-century azerbaijani poets
 * Propose deleting 18th-century azerbaijani people by occupation
 * Propose deleting 18th-century azerbaijani historians
 * Propose deleting 18th-century azerbaijani writers

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT and WP:RS. As Azerbaijanis were barely an ethnic group prior to the late 19th/early 20th centuries according to peer-reviewed English-language WP:RS, and English-language sources make no mention (or barely ever) of individual Azerbaijanis predating this time period, these categories will never be populated. Same goes for these categories created by the same user ("Multituberculata") within the same time period.---- - LouisAragon (talk) 00:16, 20 January 2022 (UTC)


 * For the record: I just noticed that this IP is mimicking said users edits in relation to these categories throughout several other Wikipedia languages (e.g. -) The IP's operator, who I presume is the same as whoever operates ""Multituberculata", is doing this in all likelihood to create more audience/i.e. room in order to press such categories as "legitimate". - LouisAragon (talk) 00:18, 20 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete POV cats, intended to project a distinct Azerbaijani identity back in time before it existed. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  07:18, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment, Azerbaijani literature goes back in time quite a bit further than the 19th century, so perhaps writers and poets should be exempted. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:47, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Category:Azerbaijani-language writers Category:Azerbaijani-language poets and Category:14th-century Turkic people (etc.) would suffice in such circumstances. We can't resort to historic revisionism when WP:RS speak against it: "'The third major nation in South Caucasia, the Azerbaijanis, hardly existed as an ethnic group, let alone a nation, before the twentieth century . The inhabitants of the territory now occupied by Azerbaijan defined themselves as Muslims, members of the Muslim umma; or as Turks, members of a language group spread over a vast area of Central Asia; or as Persians (the founder of Azerbaijani literature, Mirza Fath’ Ali Akhundzadä, described himself as ‘almost Persian’). ‘Azerbaijani identity remained fluid and hybrid’ comments R. G. Suny (1999–2000: 160). As late as 1900, the Azerbaijanis remained divided into six tribal groups – the Airumy, Karapapakh, Pavlari, Shakhsereny, Karadagtsy and Afshavy. The key period of the formation of the Azerbaijani nation lies between the 1905 revolution and the establishment of the independent People’s Republic of Azerbaijan in 1918 (Altstadt, 1992: 95) .' -- Ben Fowkes (2002). Ethnicity and Conflict in the Post-Communist World. Palgrave Macmillan. p. 14"
 * - LouisAragon (talk) 14:26, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
 * That sounds reasonable. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:27, 20 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per LouisAragon and buidhe. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:56, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, as per LouisAragon and Buidhe this ethnicity was not formative in these eras.-- Mvqr (talk) 11:45, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Possibly repurpose as Category:14th-century Azerbaijani-language poets (or Azeri). As I understand it this is a Turkic language and thus unrelated to Persian/Iranian languages.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:32, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:56, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete The one article in the first category is on someone whose ethnicity is disputed between Azeri or Turkmen. We need to avoid ahistorical application of ethnicity markers in categories as we have here. We need to do a much better job of categorizing people based on the place they were subjects of. We see this as a huge problem with not categorizing people linked to Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union in those ways, and it only gets worse as you move back before 1918. We need to stop presentist impositions on the past in Wikipedia articles. I have seen way too many articles that describe the place someone was born using place designations of places that were not created until decades after the person was born. We need to stop this presentist revisionism of articles.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:00, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per buidhe and LouisAragon, seems extremely anachronistic. - Kevo3 <sup style="color:#0033a0">2 <sup style="color:#f2a800">7 (talk) 17:30, 21 February 2022 (UTC)


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