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Category:Song recordings produced by Richard Stannard (songwriter)
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Category:Songs written by Richard Stannard (songwriter)

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:50, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Songs written by Richard Stannard (songwriter) to Category:Songs written by Richard "Biff" Stannard
 * Nominator's rationale: The subject is often credited as "Biff Stannard" or Richard "Biff" Stannard. This is common name so makes sense to rename, rather than include a dab (there are other targets called Richard Stannard). Additionally, there's no evidence that Stannard is more prolific as a songwriter than producer (he does both), hence Songs written by Richard Stannard (record producer) and Songs written by Richard Stannard (musician) weren't suggested. >> Lil-unique1  (  talk  ) — 21:22, 21 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose. The suggested title is a composite name, being created from the name of the man and the name of his business and would be no assistance to navigation, taking us further away from any recognisable title. Biffco is also an umbrella term used by other songwriters/producers. The nomination is a bit like suggesting that “Richard “Virgin” Branson would be acceptable. There is a redirect for Richard Stannard (songwriter) and that should be acceptable. Given that the difference between songwriter and music producer is becoming closer, I doubt I would have objections along those lines, i.e. music producer. What is actually surprising that Stannard doesn’t have his own article, appear on TV once and you get an article, shape the British music industry and get ignored. --Richhoncho (talk) 22:23, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment, leaning oppose: Based on what I've read on liner notes, Stannard's real name is usually used for writing while his "Biff" nickname is often included when he's credited as a producer, although I have encountered several exceptions. All in all, I don't think this distinction matters as long as it's consistent across categories. ResPM  (T&#x1F508;&#x1F3B5;C) 12:24, 22 July 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Albums produced by Richard Stannard
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Category:Tuvan Buddhists

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JBchrch   talk  20:01, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: soft merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  15:48, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Tuvan Buddhists to Category:Tibetan Buddhists from Russia and Category:Tibetan Buddhism in Siberia
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory and one article. If merged, also add Kamby Lama of Tuva to Category:People from Tuva (or to Category:Tuvan people), the other articles are already in that tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:28, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


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Category:Corus Entertainment radio programs

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JBchrch   talk  20:00, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: soft delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:13, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting corus entertainment radio programs
 * Nominator's rationale: Category which is misrepresentative of its contents. The entries here are syndicated commercial radio programs which do happen (or did happen, because some of them are defunct) to originate on stations owned by Corus Entertainment -- but Corus is an ownership group, not a "network", and the programs here can or could in fact air on any commercial radio station that wants to buy them regardless of whether it's owned by Corus, Rogers, Bell Media, Pattison, Stingray, Cogeco, Rawlco, Golden West or Vista. So "Corus Entertainment" isn't really an important point of commonality here -- what's significant is that they're syndicated to multiple radio stations which are or were not necessarily all co-owned by Corus, not that Corus is or was the owner of their originating stations per se. Bearcat (talk) 17:30, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


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Category:Albums produced by Andres Torres

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:42, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Albums produced by Andres Torres to Category:Albums produced by Andrés Torres (producer)
 * Nominator's rationale: There are other targets called Andrés Torres and therefore DAB is needed. Also missed out the accent on the e. >> Lil-unique1  (  talk  ) — 18:33, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, should be speedied under C2D. --Richhoncho (talk) 22:27, 21 July 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Wikipedians from Odessa

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:50, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Wikipedians from Odessa to Category:Wikipedians from Odesa
 * Nominator's rationale: Move for consistency with Odesa and Odesa Oblast, renamed per talk:Odesa —Michael Z. 15:40, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Courtesy pinging category members @User:Anticop, @User:Seva Seva, and @User:Ykvach. —Michael Z. 15:42, 21 July 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Songs written by Johan Gustafson

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:02, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Songs written by Johan Gustafson to Category:Songs written by Johan Gustafson (record producer)
 * Nominator's rationale: There are other targets called Johan Gustafson therefore dab is needed >> Lil-unique1  (  talk  ) — 12:17, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. --Richhoncho (talk) 12:35, 21 July 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Songs written by Ollie Green

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:12, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Songs written by Ollie Green to Category:Songs written by Ollie Green (record producer)
 * Nominator's rationale: The original subject led to Ollie Green who is a female American film/TV producer. The subject of this category is a male British record producer for whom we don not have an article yet. >> Lil-unique1  (  talk  ) — 12:16, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. NB It was my error to create cat with this title. --Richhoncho (talk) 12:36, 21 July 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Dissolution of Syria

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  15:49, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting dissolution of syria
 * Nominator's rationale: Bullshit category — in fact, almost qualifies for G3. Syria has not been dissolved, and the contents are mostly about the Syrian civil war with the exception of Category:Separatism in Syria. –LaundryPizza03</b> ( d c̄ ) 09:51, 21 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:42, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support -- The present name results from wishful thinking. Peterkingiron (talk) 20:58, 21 July 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Hama in the Syrian civil war
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Category:Cities and towns during the Syrian civil war
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  15:50, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Cities and towns during the Syrian civil war to Category:Syrian civil war by city
 * Nominator's rationale: Option 1: rename to same format as Category:Syrian civil war by governorate. Option 2: delete as the subcategories are in the tree of Category:Syrian civil war by governorate anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:46, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, a duplication of the war by governate capital just by a diff name. >> Lil-unique1  (  talk  ) — 18:26, 21 July 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Major phases of the Syrian civil war
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (equivalent to a merge). (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  15:52, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting major phases of the syrian civil war
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, arbitrary inclusion criterion, what is "major"? Marcocapelle (talk) 04:43, 21 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep. we do need this category. the very nature of this specific conflict makes it necessary. --Sm8900 (talk) 16:31, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * That does not answer the question what is "major". Marcocapelle (talk) 19:26, 21 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Merge to Category:Syrian civil war. Alternatively rename to Category:Phases of the Syrian civil war, but I fail to see how the two are distinct.  Peterkingiron (talk) 21:02, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * ok, I agree, with the rename that you suggest. Sm8900 (talk) 21:58, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge to Category:Syrian civil war. The terminology "major" is incredibly subjective, and different people will see different things as major. Sourcing might not clear this up. >> Lil-unique1  (  talk  ) — 21:25, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * In theory I agree with merging, in practice all articles are already in other subcategories of Category:Syrian civil war which makes a merge redundant. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:16, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * guys, the problem is that the articles on the Syrian Civil War form a rather dense thicket. there are articles on literally every military engagement and every faction, and also on many conflcts between factions, which are not even pat of the main conflict itself. that is why these articles on contemporary events need to be grouped in this manner.


 * "major phases" is self-explanatory. there are numerous categories which have a clear meaning, which is self-evident in their title. the question of what constitutes "major phases" is best answered by reading the content of the articles themselves, on this specific conflict, and set of events.


 * Forget about the word "major"; just focus upon the word "phases". the word "phases itself refers to a significant time period within the conflict itself, so based upon that, i would suggest we simply rename this category. perhapos someone a few years from now will be able to consolidate the many articles in this topical area. however, for this categoy does indeed serve a specific and valid purpose. Sm8900 (talk) 14:16, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Even if we would ignore "major", there is also a problem with "phases". The category mainly consists of articles about military operations (rather than "phases") and thus overlaps with Category:Military operations of the Syrian civil war. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:46, 22 July 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Dissolution of Iraq
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  15:52, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Dissolution of Iraq to Category:Separatism in Iraq
 * Nominator's rationale: downmerge, Iraq has not been dissolved and nearly all category content is about separatism. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:35, 21 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Merge as bullshit. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 09:47, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:40, 22 July 2022 (UTC)


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