Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 July 7



Category:Memory in fiction

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  12:08, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Memory in fiction to Category:Fiction about memory
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEF. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:47, 7 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support as a category name phrased more clearly as based on a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:45, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support as more proper choice.  killer bee    16:59, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. These are not the same thing. "Fiction about" implies only fiction that is specifically set in the genre. "In fiction", on the other hand, is a catch-all for any article that might be about fictional things vaguely connected to the subject. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:06, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support This category is only justifiable at all with the tighter scope. If it is not something that works under the heading "about" than it is too trivial to categorize by.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:20, 19 July 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Space warfare in fiction

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  12:08, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Space warfare in fiction to Category:Fiction about space warfare
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEF and subcategories. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:02, 7 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support as a category name phrased more clearly as based on a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:46, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, sounds more encyclopedic that way. --Koveras (talk) 08:11, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support as more proper choice.  killer bee    16:59, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. These are not the same thing. "Fiction about" implies only fiction that is specifically set in the genre. "In fiction", on the other hand, is a catch-all for any article that might be about fictional things vaguely connected to the subject. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:06, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * support If the coverage of the topic is not enough to use the word "about" than categorizing by it is categorizing by a trivial aspect which we should not do.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:22, 19 July 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Toys in fiction

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Fiction about toys. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 20:14, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Toys in fiction to Category:Fiction about toys
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEF ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:44, 7 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support the new category as more clear and defining. Jontesta (talk) 14:50, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support as a category name phrased more clearly as based on a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:46, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. These are not the same thing. "Fiction about" implies only fiction that is specifically set in the genre. "In fiction", on the other hand, is a catch-all for any article that might be about fictional things vaguely connected to the subject. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:06, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * support If the coverage of the topic is not enough to use the word "about" than categorizing by it is categorizing by a trivial aspect which we should not do.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:23, 19 July 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Hitchhiking in fiction

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  12:09, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Hitchhiking in fiction to Category:Fiction about hitchhiking
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEF. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:34, 7 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support to make this a clearer category. Current name is arbitrary and vague. Jontesta (talk) 14:49, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support; makes sense. Trivialist (talk) 21:10, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support as a category name phrased more clearly as based on a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:46, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. These are not the same thing. "Fiction about" implies only fiction that is specifically set in the genre. "In fiction", on the other hand, is a catch-all for any article that might be about fictional things vaguely connected to the subject. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:06, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * support If the coverage of the topic is not enough to use the word "about" than categorizing by it is categorizing by a trivial aspect which we should not do.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:23, 19 July 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Hoaxes in fiction

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  12:09, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Hoaxes in fiction to Category:Fiction about hoaxes
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEF. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:33, 7 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support as being more clear and defining. Jontesta (talk) 14:49, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support as a category name phrased more clearly as based on a defining characteristic. After the rename the category requires some purging. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:49, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. These are not the same thing. "Fiction about" implies only fiction that is specifically set in the genre. "In fiction", on the other hand, is a catch-all for any article that might be about fictional things vaguely connected to the subject. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:06, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Avoiding vague connections is exactly what the nomination is about. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:08, 12 July 2022 (UTC)


 * support If the coverage of the topic is not enough to use the word "about" than categorizing by it is categorizing by a trivial aspect which we should not do.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:23, 19 July 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Science in fiction

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  12:09, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Science in fiction to Category:Science in fiction by theme
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEF, although I suggest renaming the target to Category:Fiction by scientific theme immediately before the merge to remain consistent. A couple subcategories will have to be removed, namely "Fictional science" and "Fictional scientists", and all its articles should be sub-categorized as it will become a container category. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:21, 7 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support as an improvement in organization. Current category is far too vague. Jontesta (talk) 14:48, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Question: there are quite a few articles directly in this category, where would they go after merging to a "by" category? Marcocapelle (talk) 04:56, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd be happy to hear what you think of the above question. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:29, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Either placed in subcategories, or if a "in fiction" article, in the main category. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:22, 13 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment: although nominator suggests renaming the target it is neither listed nor tagged to be part of this nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:56, 8 July 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Locations in fiction
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 August 7%23Category:Locations in fiction

Category:Retailing in fiction

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  12:10, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Retailing in fiction to Category:Fiction about retailing
 * Nominator's rationale: Per parent category, Category:Works about retailing, and WP:NONDEF. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:16, 7 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support as a category name phrased more clearly as based on a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:02, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. These are not the same thing. "Fiction about" implies only fiction that is specifically set in the genre. "In fiction", on the other hand, is a catch-all for any article that might be about fictional things vaguely connected to the subject. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:06, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Avoiding vague connections is exactly what the nomination is about. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:10, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * So what do you plan to do about the subcats? -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:16, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * They should be renamed too. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:30, 13 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support If the coverage of the topic is not enough to use the word "about" than categorizing by it is categorizing by a trivial aspect which we should not do.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:23, 19 July 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Teens in fiction
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 August 7%23Category:Teens in fiction

Category:Space in fiction

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  12:11, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Space in fiction to Category:Fiction about outer space
 * Nominator's rationale: Per Category:Works about outer space, which it should become a subcategory of. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:10, 7 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support for consistency and clarity. Jontesta (talk) 14:45, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support as a category name phrased more clearly as based on a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:04, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. These are not the same thing. "Fiction about" implies only fiction that is specifically set in the genre. "In fiction", on the other hand, is a catch-all for any article that might be about fictional things vaguely connected to the subject. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:06, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Avoiding vague connections is exactly what the nomination is about. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:12, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * So what do you plan to do with all the many subcats? -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:15, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * They should be renamed too. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:32, 13 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support If the coverage of the topic is not enough to use the word "about" than categorizing by it is categorizing by a trivial aspect which we should not do.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:26, 19 July 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Military in fiction

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 * The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  12:12, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Military in fiction to Category:Military fiction
 * Nominator's rationale: This category is not defining and the other category is. There is an overlap and the categories should be merged. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:58, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Support as these cover the same articles. Hard to pull these apart without being arbitrary. Jontesta (talk) 14:44, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

 You are right, I must have been looking at the target category yesterday. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:21, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Alt split between Category:Military fiction and Category:Fiction by war in order not to overpopulate the parent category with subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:19, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * This split appears to have been proposed in this other nomination as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:04, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
 * None of the categories here seem to belong in Category:Fiction by war as I envisioned it in the other discussion. Of the subcategories, a bunch of them are already in Category:Military units and formations in popular culture (which probably needs a rename) and should be purged. Of the remaining categories, Category:Korean Demilitarized Zone in fiction can be deleted as a SMALLCAT, and most of the rest of the subcategories appear to fit nicely in Category:Military fiction * Pppery * it has begun... 16:52, 8 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support as the intention of the two categories is the same (or at least strongly overlaps) and the target is phrased more clearly as based on a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:23, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I see big differences here. Military fiction is a specific genre of fiction about the military. Military in fiction is a collection of articles that happen to be about someone or something fictional and vaguely military. The former is a genuine category for a genuine real-world thing. The latter is a catch-all for categories many of which should probably not even exist (although some could certainly be merged to the former category). I think merging them all does a big disservice to the military fiction category. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:02, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I would support a manual merge in order to avoid that articles are added to a category where they do not belong. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:13, 12 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Support If the coverage of the topic is not enough to use the word "about" than categorizing by it is categorizing by a trivial aspect which we should not do.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:26, 19 July 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Mass media in Dagestan

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Culture of Dagestan. (non-admin closure)  JBchrch   talk  13:43, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Mass media in Dagestan to Category:Culture of Dagestan
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Note that none of the other Russian federal subjects have a mass media category, which makes sense because Category:Mass media in Russia hardly contains any regional articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:06, 7 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Merge for Now With no objection to recreating if it ever gets up to 5 direct articles that clearly belong int he category. The current lack of contents adds a layer which hinders navigation. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:08, 11 July 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Danish Noir writers

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Nordic Noir writers. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 23:05, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Danish Noir writers to Category:Nordic Noir writers
 * Propose merging Category:Norwegian Noir writers to Category:Nordic Noir writers
 * Propose merging Category:Swedish Noir writers to Category:Nordic Noir writers
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, the genre is Nordic noir, not Danish noir or Norwegian Noir, and there is currently no reason to diffuse the tree by nationality. (That used to be different in the past, with lots of articles about detective writers added to the categories per WP:OR, see this earlier nomination.) Marcocapelle (talk) 03:39, 7 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Merge per Nordic noir. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:09, 11 July 2022 (UTC)


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