Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 June 25



Category:Theaters in Dagestan
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 July 31%23Category:Theaters in Dagestan

Category:Pakistani wedding traditions
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 July 31%23Category:Pakistani wedding traditions

Category:Macedonian Orthodox Church – Ohrid Archbishopric
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 July 31%23Category:Macedonian Orthodox Church – Ohrid Archbishopric

Category:Judeo-Tat theatre
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 July 3%23Category:Judeo-Tat theatre

Category:Judeo-Tat literature

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Judeo-Tat. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:50, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Judeo-Tat literature to Category:Judeo-Tat
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with one article and one subcat. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:50, 25 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Support, makes sense given size.-- Mvqr (talk) 15:45, 29 June 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Newspapers in Judeo-Tat

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge & delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:52, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Newspapers in Judeo-Tat to Category:Judeo-Tat and Category:Newspapers of Dagestan
 * Propose deleting Category:Judeo-Tat-language mass media (added 4 July)
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only one article. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:45, 25 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Support, one article and no scope of growth apparent.-- Mvqr (talk) 15:47, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: I have added the consequential deletion of Category:Judeo-Tat-language mass media. Looking around the parent categories, I noticed that (i) this nomination will remove the member page from Category:Mass media by language of Russia, and (ii) that grandparent has several similar sub-cats (Buryat, Lak, Lezgin and Veps) containing only a Newspapers sub-cat for a single article. Perhaps this nomination should be relisted with all of those. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:42, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Re (i) that is correct, as Category:Mass media by language of Russia is a container category. Re (ii) if this discussion closes as 'merge' or 'no consensus' I will proceed with the suggested batch nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:30, 5 July 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Dagestani awards

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:53, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Dagestani awards to Category:Russian awards and Category:Culture of Dagestan
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only one article. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:39, 25 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Merge for Now per WP:SMALLCAT; no objection to recreating later of it ever reaches 5+ articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:11, 1 July 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Russian cultural heritage sites in Dagestan

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure)  JBchrch   talk  17:45, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Russian cultural heritage sites in Dagestan to Category:Culture of Dagestan
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcat and one article. The other heritage sites in Russia are diffused by city rather than by federal subject. If merged, article Datuna Church should also be added to Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Russia. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:34, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep and populate. A starting point to develop Category:Objects of cultural heritage in Russia by federal subject along the lines of the Russian ru:Категория:Объекты культурного наследия по субъектам Российской Федерации. ru:Категория:Объекты культурного наследия России в Дагестане has 29 articles, a number of which are not in cities, or are in cities that would fail smallcat if their heritage sites were attempted to be combined in city categories. By federal subject is the more inclusive approach, split it out by cities as a subcat of federal subject cats where the number of articles makes it appropriate. Spokoyni (talk) 08:08, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. I populated this category with seven articles. At this point in time there is no more English article that could link to this category. Boxes12 (talk) 00:02, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The added 6 articles are already in the subcategory of Derbent. As mentioned before, the category tree is organized by city and that appears to suffice. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:12, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 * You created Category:Russian cultural heritage sites in Derbent and emptied the Dagestan one of all but one of its articles. This is clearly suboptimal, as the parent category of "cultural heritage sites in Derbent" is the "cultural heritage sites in Dagestan" one, and articles like Datuna Church don't fit in the "Derbent" one, and are left to float in the grandparent cat of "Russia". Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Rostov Oblast shows how this category tree should really work, with large numbers of these sites not being able to be diffused to 'city' categories since they aren't in cities. Spokoyni (talk) 08:09, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: Rename Category:Russian cultural heritage sites in Dagestan to Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Dagestan, and Category:Russian cultural heritage sites in Derbent to Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Derbent, as per Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Russia and Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Russia by city. Spokoyni (talk) 08:09, 29 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep, from looking at the Russian Wikipedia category there is ample space for growth on the English Wikipedia.-- Mvqr (talk) 15:46, 29 June 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Objects of cultural heritage of Russia of regional significance

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:55, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting objects of cultural heritage of russia of regional significance
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, "regional significance" seems not a defining characteristic, neither of the articles in this category mention it. The articles are already together in another category namely Category:Russian cultural heritage sites in Derbent. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:53, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep and populate. "Regional significance" (регионального значения) is one of the two tiers of listing on the Russian cultural heritage register, along with those of "federal significance" (федерального значения), equivalent to the National Register of Historic Places, the Grades of Listed buildings in the UK, and the many other List of heritage registers maintained by countries worldwide. That they don't mention it in the articles in the category (your use of "neither" implies there are two, there are currently six, though several are miscategorised and are listed as "federal significance" on the register) is a failure of the articles, which have been copied over from ru wiki.  The register is enshrined by law, is monitored by a federal agency (Rosokhrankultura) and confers a degree of legal protection on the objects listed. It's concerning that cfd nominations are made with the rationale of "seems not a defining characteristic" based on a read of wikipedia articles which are often incomplete and are not reliable sources, without research or knowledge into what that characteristic actually is. Spokoyni (talk) 07:52, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * It would be helpful if you would update the articles if only by removing wrong category assignments. It is worrying though that even the Russian articles do not mention this properly. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:33, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * That's an issue for those articles, and those who write them there and here. It's not an issue for the categorisation scheme. I'd be prepared to take on this categorisation project, including the creation and population of the companion Category:Objects of cultural heritage of Russia of federal significance, but since it involves some 1,500 articles at least currently on the Russian wikipedia, it's a lot of work and I don't want to take it on without an understanding that this does constitute a defining characteristic of these subjects. Spokoyni (talk) 12:46, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * This is a discussion about en.wp only and there are currently max 6 articles about which you have raised doubt whether they belong in this category. That is not a lot to check. If you intend to write more articles in English, by all means go ahead, but then you presumably will not include categorization mistakes to begin with. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:58, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Four of the six are listed as federal rather than regional significance, I've removed them. I've added as a sample the articles we have on sites listed as 'regional significance' from Rostov-on-Don, which has taken the category to 75 articles. Many of those do make specific mention of their listing status in their articles. If this is acceptable, perhaps the nomination can be withdrawn and I'll proceed along these lines to populate this category and a 'federal significance' one. Spokoyni (talk) 13:37, 26 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep -- The category is now well populated. What is missing is a headnote to explain its scope - that it is sites on the Russian cultural heritage register in that tier.  No doubt Spokoyni, who clearly knows about the subject can write the requisite sentence.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:35, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * The fact that it is well populated is not relevant. It was not a smallcat nomination to begin with. It is also not relevant that Spokoyni knows about the subject, that argument would amount to OR. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:21, 29 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep. The Russian category] has 876 entires without counting subcategory contents. Being a listed building, or "object of cultural significance" in Russian parlance, is significant for the object or building. For parallels, see Category:Grade II* listed buildings in England by county and Category:Grade II listed buildings in England by county.-- Mvqr (talk) 16:01, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep and populate.Boxes12 (talk) 17:35, 7 July 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Western visual novels

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge.  ✗  plicit  11:39, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Western visual novels to Category:Visual novels
 * Nominator's rationale: I think it is time for this category to be merged. The idea of a "western visual novel" has not been discussed indepth by reliable sources, and does not indicate a significant genre shift, as JRPG does, especially due to how often even western VNs mimic those of Japan (see also: Doki Doki Literature Club). ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:00, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 07:15, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: Let it be separate. If it has problem, merge it. Mahesh Sty (talk) 05:43, 18 June 2022 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE – Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:25, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * OOjs UI icon add-constructive.svg Support per nom. &#8213;  Qwerfjkl talk  18:57, 31 July 2022 (UTC)


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