Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 March 17



Category:Historic public gardens

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Urban public parks. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:33, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Historic public gardens to Category:Urban public parks
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, there is little difference between public gardens and public parks, as illustrated by the fact that the category contains several parks. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:08, 17 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment. It's possible that some public gardens are not urban. On the other hand, the target category is a parent category of the nominated one. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:13, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to the indicated parent category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:10, 4 April 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Anglican Liturgical book

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Anglican liturgical books. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 19:57, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Anglican Liturgical book to Category:Anglican liturgical books
 * Nominator's rationale: rename, liturgical does not require capitalization and as it is a set category "books" should be in plural. Thus was opposed for speedy renaming. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:38, 17 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Category:Anglican Liturgical book to Category:Anglican Liturgical book – C2A: I do not see why "liturgical" should take a capital letter; compare with Category:Catholic liturgical books Veverve (talk) 16:24, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Duh! Should clearly be "books", like the Catholic example given. Arguably not all these books are actually "liturgical" for that matter - the prayer books for example. A better name would be nice. Johnbod (talk) 16:29, 14 March 2022 (UTC)


 * pinging contributors to speedy discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:44, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, it should be "books", my bad! Veverve (talk) 23:13, 17 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Support: I made a mistake by not seeing the "s" was missing. Veverve (talk) 09:39, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Support -- Standard capitalisation and syntax. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:53, 19 March 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Catholic priests convicted of child sexual abuse

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 20:04, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Catholic priests convicted of child sexual abuse to Category:Roman Catholic priests convicted of child sexual abuse
 * Propose renaming Category:Catholic priests convicted of sexual abuse to Category:Roman Catholic priests convicted of sexual abuse
 * Propose renaming Category:Catholic priests convicted of murder to Category:Roman Catholic priests convicted of murder
 * Propose renaming Category:Catholic priests convicted of crimes against humanity to Category:Roman Catholic priests convicted of crimes against humanity
 * Propose renaming Category:Catholic priests convicted of crimes to Category:Roman Catholic priests convicted of crimes
 * Nominator's rationale: All the articles seem to be about Roman Catholics. Rathfelder (talk) 16:33, 17 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose, unnecessary split of priests of the same Catholic Church. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:38, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The Eastern Catholic Churches are organizationally quite distinct and there are no articles that I can see about abuse there.  If there were to be any it would be sensible to separate them. Category:Child sexual abuse scandals in Anglicanism and Mormonism are already separated.  Rathfelder (talk) 23:37, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * No they aren't, they just always have used a different language and they may have slightly different practices in liturgy. Organizationally, the Catholic Church is divided in 24 particular churches, of which the Latin Church is one, and these have very limited autonomy. Eastern Catholic is a catch-all term for the other 23 but that has nothing to do with organizational structure. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The article says "They are distinct theologically, liturgically, and historically from the Latin Church". That does seem relevant to these categories.Rathfelder (talk) 08:48, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
 * "Roman Catholic (term)" is synonymous with "Catholic", i.e. both expressions designate at the same time Latin and Eastern Catholics.
 * If you want to precise the person's church sui iuris to split the category, you should propose a renaming along the lines of "Catholic priests of the Latin Church convicted of crimes". However, I do not think such a split is necessary between Latin and Eastern priests. Veverve (talk) 09:44, 18 March 2022 (UTC)


 * They are clearly seen as significantly different. That's what we have Category:Converts to Eastern Catholicism from Roman Catholicism.  But the real point of this nomination is that these articles about criminals are all about Roman Catholics, and by implication the reaction, or lack of it, by the Roman Catholic church.  The governance of the Eastern Catholic churches is clearly distinct and if we get articles about crimes there they should be seperate. Rathfelder (talk) 08:40, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Category:Converts to Eastern Catholicism from Roman Catholicism is totally weird, that is not a conversion. This becomes very clear when reading the church career of Manuel Nin who is in this category. The governance of every of the 24 particular churches is distinct (i.e. they have a little bit of autonomy) while there is no common governance for the 23 Eastern Catholic particular churches together. Besides it escapes me why this would be relevant for criminal offenses. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:55, 19 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose -- The distinction Eastern/Roman was (I believe) formerly the language in which worship took place. Now Catholics normally worship in their vernacular, the distinction is meaningless.  I am dubious of the category, whose headnote says there is "no conversion".  It thus consists of those who began worshipping in another language, a NN districntion.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:57, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Nah, the Eastern Catholic Churches, e.g. the Maronites, are actually quite distinct, although in communion with the Latin Church. It is not just a question of language, they have distinct liturgies. But that does not matter here. Place Clichy (talk) 01:31, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose as completely unnecessary. Eastern Catholic clergy are probably no more exempt from sin or crime that their Roman Catholic brethren. However you may find less such cases being recorded in Wikipedia for 2 obvious systemic bias reasons: 1°) there are much fewer of them and 2°) they mostly live in countries far from the eyes of most of the English-speaking media. Now, if there were such articles, should they be in a separate category? Probably not, because the Eastern vs. Latin liturgies would in most cases be completely unrelated to their potential crimes. Place Clichy (talk) 01:31, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per everybody above. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:20, 22 March 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Quotations from law

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Latin legal terminology. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:38, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Quotations from law to Category:Latin legal terminology
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT, nearly all quotations inside are Latin, although there's parent Category:Quotations. Brandmeistertalk  10:26, 17 March 2022 (UTC)


 * If merged, a few non-Latin articles should be manually moved to Category:Legal terminology. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:49, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree. - jc37 03:54, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Veverve (talk) 09:44, 18 March 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Filipino priests
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 3%23Category:Filipino priests

Category:Persibom Bolaang Mongondow
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 14%23Category:Persibom Bolaang Mongondow

Category:Black-and-white music videos

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting black-and-white music videos
 * Nominator's rationale: Not sure why this is necessary or why it is of significance. Should we have categories for music videos that have different coloured filters too etc.? Seems superfluous and fancrufty ≫  Lil- Unique1  -{ Talk  }- 08:47, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. Unlike different color schemes, any kind of modern-day film-making in black-and-white gets critical notice for the specific fact that it is black-and-white. This is something that gets commented on in secondary sources and is often WP:DEFINING. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:29, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep  - part of, . Oculi (talk) 12:29, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Black-and-white filmmaking is a distinct art form, no valid reason offered for deletion. Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:11, 17 March 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Persibom Bolmong players

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Relisting comment: Category was not properly tagged for discussion. I have done so now. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  03:42, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Persibom Bolaang Mongondow players. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 20:06, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Persibom Bolmong players to Category:Persibom Bolaang Mongondow players
 * Nominator's rationale: Per Category:Persibom Bolaang Mongondow. OktaRama2010 (talk) 13:59, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Support also per article name Persibom Bolaang Mongondow. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:11, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 15:38, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per CFDS C2D. GiantSnowman 15:42, 19 March 2022 (UTC)


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