Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 March 26



Category:Pages that contain profanity

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 * The result of the discussion was: speedy delete per WP:SNOW (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 11:32, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting pages that contain profanity
 * Nominator's rationale: Useless unencyclopedic category that violates WP:NOTCENSORED Dronebogus (talk) 22:06, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
 * As well as No disclaimers Dronebogus (talk) 22:15, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Though once the template is deleted, this can be speedy G8. Gonnym (talk) 23:38, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Nonsense category which is empty too. WP:C1 applies. No Great Shaker (talk) 08:35, 27 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment CSD C1 doesn't apply to categories under discussion at WP:CFD, it states that right in the tag. Unfortunately, empty categories get brought here and also categories are emptied while they are under discussion here. But once a discussion has started at CFD, empty categories can't be speedied for quick deletion under CSD C1 criteria, unlike at other XfD areas. Liz Read! Talk! 16:36, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - per nom. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 20:44, 28 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete as an unneeded maintenance category, NOTCENSORED.-- Mvqr (talk) 12:20, 30 March 2022 (UTC)


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Researchers by nationality

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete all. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  09:18, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting researchers by nationality
 * Propose deleting american researchers
 * Propose deleting british researchers
 * Propose deleting french researchers
 * Propose deleting iranian researchers


 * Nominator's rationale: Incredibly vague and needless intermediate container categories that could conceivably include every single article in Category:Scholars and academics by nationality and others. We rightly lack Category:Workers which would be equally vague and broad. A category like this is likely to be WP:NONDEFINING: researchers in any given field are generally and more appropriately described as medical or policy or history researchers, etc., and for categorization purposes should be placed in relevant subtype(s) of scientist, scholar, journalist, etc. --Animalparty! (talk) 20:12, 26 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Category:Scholars and academics by nationality (humanities) and Category:Scientists by nationality (natural sciences) serve this purpose already and the term 'researcher' adds nothing. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:34, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete all per nom. Certainly NONDEF because how do you define a researcher? Research forms part of nearly everyone's life and work. No Great Shaker (talk) 08:37, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Support . WP:NONDEFINING. Rathfelder (talk) 12:20, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per everything above. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Scientists, academics and scholars categories and various sub-categories cover this way better. Researchers research some specific discipline, and so we categorize by that, not by the fact they research.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:34, 4 April 2022 (UTC)


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Category:People from Komarovychi, Staryi Sambir Raion

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 * The result of the discussion was: soft merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:04, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Komarovychi, Staryi Sambir Raion to Category:People from Sambir Raion
 * Nominator's rationale: There is only one article in the category. In addition, recently after the reform, Staryi Sambir Raion was merged to Sambir Raion. The village, which does not have an article, is now in Sambir Raion. I therefore propose to upmerge to Category:People from Sambir Raion. Ymblanter (talk) 19:15, 26 March 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Itabaiana Coritiba Foot Ball Clube managers

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:48, 3 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Itabaiana Coritiba Foot Ball Clube managers to Category:Coritiba Foot Ball Club (Sergipe) managers
 * Nominator's rationale: Matching article name. BRDude70  ( talk ) 17:49, 26 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete. The club itself is minor and notability is not conferred by membership so it is debatable if it will have many notable managers. There is presently a single entry so SMALLCAT applies. No Great Shaker (talk) 08:42, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 21:13, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - agree that only one entry means category is not needed. GiantSnowman 21:14, 28 March 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Judges of the Federal Constitutional Court of Germany

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Justices of the Federal Constitutional Court. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:47, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Judges of the Federal Constitutional Court of Germany to Category:Justices of the Federal Constitutional Court
 * Nominator's rationale: The German Federal Constitutional Court itself uses "justices" and not "judges" (as for example seen here: []). I think it would be sensible to do the same. The addendum "of Germany" is not necessary in my opinion as to my knowledge no other court worldwide uses "Federal Constitutional Court" as its name. WatkynBassett (talk) 17:25, 26 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Speedy remove "of Germany" from the category name per WP:C2D (it is unambiguous). I have no opinion on judges versus justices. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:13, 27 March 2022 (UTC)


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Category:FCF Co, Ltd.

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:52, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fcf co, ltd.
 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only two articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:39, 26 March 2022 (UTC)


 * weak oppose, there are a number of subsidiaries which will probably be notable on their own but this category can always be re-created when they have pages. Horse Eye&#39;s Back (talk) 12:16, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per SMALLCAT. No Great Shaker (talk) 13:11, 26 March 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Songs about Jews and Judaism

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  09:23, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Songs about Jews and Judaism to Category:Works about Jews and Judaism
 * Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only one article. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:15, 26 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. No Great Shaker (talk) 11:31, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep and populate. Categories like Category:Jewish folk songs, Category:Jewish rock songs, Category:Judaeo-Spanish-language songs, Category:Passover songs, and Category:Yemenite Jewish songs could become subcategories. - Eureka Lott 17:05, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Those aren't necessarily about Jews and Judaism, and they correctly have Category:Jewish music as their parent. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:55, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Since Category:Jewish songs doesn't exist, the nominated category is the closest thing we have to a parent category for all of those. - Eureka Lott 21:19, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Then we should just create Category:Jewish songs. This has no relationship with the nominated category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:38, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I have created Category:Jewish songs, so the opposing argument is entirely moot now. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:01, 3 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Merge. Per nom. All objections have been overcome. --Richhoncho (talk) 10:12, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge. Per nom and creation of Category:Jewish songs. JBchrch   talk  15:46, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge Per nom. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:25, 3 May 2022 (UTC)


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Category:People who memorized the Quran

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. Any user can boldly add articles from the category to the article; the pages are as follows:

(non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl  talk  17:58, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hafiz (Quran)
 * List of people who memorized the Quran
 * Abdul Basit 'Abd us-Samad
 * Abu 'Abd al-Rahman al-Sulami
 * Muhammad Abu Khubza
 * Abu Mohammad al-Adnani
 * Sarfaraz Ahmed
 * Mishary bin Rashid Alafasy
 * Avicenna
 * Muhammad Ayyub
 * Jusuf Barčić
 * Ahmed Tijani Ben Omar
 * Abdelaziz Bouteflika
 * Salah Al Budair
 * Abdullah Bukhari
 * Ahmed Bukhari
 * Shaban Bukhari
 * Shafqat Cheema
 * Ahmed Deedat
 * Fazlur Rahman Ansari
 * Saad al Ghamdi
 * Mohamed Ould Ghazouani
 * Abd al-Aziz al-Ghumari
 * Abdullah al-Ghumari
 * Ahmad al-Ghumari
 * Hafs
 * Hafsa bint Umar
 * Hafiz Hamdullah
 * Din Mohammad Hanif
 * Abdul Aziz al-Harbi
 * Yahya Hawwa
 * Ali ibn Abdur-Rahman al Hudhaify
 * Rashad Hussain
 * Muhammad Idris Kandhlawi
 * Haq Nawaz Jhangvi
 * Abdullah Awad Al Juhany
 * Adil al-Kalbani
 * Abdul Karim (the Munshi)
 * Yusuf Ziya Kavakçı
 * Merve Kavakcı
 * Hassan Kettani
 * Ibn Khaldun
 * Rubina Khalid (qaria)
 * Ahmed Raza Khan Barelvi
 * Hafiz Saeed Khan
 * Naqi Ali Khan
 * Hassan al-Maliki
 * Matiul Haq Khalis
 * Ismail ibn Musa Menk
 * Mian Wada
 * Omar al-Mukhtar
 * Asim Munir (general)
 * Nahiem Ajmal
 * Yaşar Nuri Öztürk
 * Abu Ammaar Yasir Qadhi
 * Yusuf al-Qaradawi
 * Sayyid Qutb
 * Fazlur Rahman Malik
 * Khadim Hussain Rizvi
 * Hafiz Saeed
 * Saud (actor)
 * Muhammad Metwalli al-Sha'rawi
 * Abu Anas al-Shami
 * Saud Al-Shuraim
 * Abdul-Rahman Al-Sudais
 * Saleh Al-Talib
 * Umar
 * Umm Kulthum
 * Abu Abd al-Rahman Ibn Aqil al-Zahiri
 * Abu Turab al-Zahiri
 * Zubair Ali Zai
 * Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
 * Propose deleting people who memorized the quran
 * Nominator's rationale: This category should be listified, i.e. all people who with reliable sources (RS) can be confirmed to be correctly identified as huffaz should be added to the List of people who memorized the Quran, and the category itself deleted. The reason for this is because the category is repeatedly (ab)used to inappropriately label people without having the RS to back up this claim. A great many of the people in this category are not (clearly) identified as a hafiz(a) (person who has memorised the Quran) in their biographies (including BLPs), or the claim there lacks RS to back it up. Claiming someone to be or have been a hafiz(a) awards them a certain status of piety, and without evidence it could serve as mere WP:PROMO of the person in question, which is not allowed. Note that merely being a 'reciter' of the Quran does not count; remember that the definition of hafiz(a) is 'someone who has completely memorised the Quran,' not someone who sometimes recites parts of it; this already has its own category Category:Quran reciters. In many cases, this definition is not met by the information in the biographies either. The List of people who memorized the Quran itself, as well as Hafiz (Quran), have also repeatedly suffered from this problem, with many editors (often infrequent, inexperienced and IP addresses) adding names to both articles without RS, often even people without a biography and unlikely to get a biography. I've been trying to tackle this issue in both articles intermittently for several years, but it keeps coming back. The latest discovery I made is that editors have been creating a whole new list in Hafiz (Quran) based on the biographies in this dubious category, without any RS, and the biographies themselves often also having no RS. It is simply impractical to sustain such a category when it becomes very easy to add a biography to it without RS, while it may take months or years for a critical editor to come along and doubt whether this categorisation was justified, and before you know it, someone else will use it somewhere else, presenting it as if it were a fact, simply because the biography of said person is so categorised. Listifying this collection of purported huffaz and demanding that every single claim of complete memorisation of the Quran is supported by RS is the best way to keep a central verifiable/falsifiable overview of which people have actually accomplished this feat, excluding all the ones about whom the burden of proof has not been met with RS. The abused category will no longer be able to inappropriately label people, the biographies (especially the BLPs) will be checked and henceforth we will go by RS-supported consensus instead of baseless claims, hearsay and miscategorisation. A list of such a grouping of people has essentially all the advantages a category doesn't have, and none of the disadvantages, and so listification is the best solution. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:18, 26 March 2022 (UTC)


 * If not kept, merge to Category:Quran reciters. If kept, purge and possibly rename to Category:Huffaz (Quran). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:31, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Listify and delete -- This is no doubt an achievement, but not necessarily a notable one, particularly as it may well be difficult to verify claims. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:08, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. The nom raises some good points. I would add that memorizing sacred texts is a practice in many religions and—as far as I know—people don't become famous or notable for it; as such, it is non-defining. JBchrch   talk  18:29, 30 April 2022 (UTC)


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