Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 March 9



Category:Morgan le Fay

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  bibliomaniac  1  5  04:54, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting morgan le fay
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, with very few exceptions these are works generally based on Arthurian legend. Of course Morgan le Fay plays a role, but usually not a bigger role than king Arthur himself. The articles are already in the tree of Category:Works based on Arthurian legend and that seems sufficient. The few exceptions that really evolve around Morgan le Fay can be interlinked directly in the article, e.g. in a See also section. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:22, 9 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose The character has been depicted in works that have nothing to do with Arthur, including several set in the modern era. Dimadick (talk) 23:25, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete -- It is not an exact fit, but this has something of the feel of a PERF category, though this is about a character represented rather than a performer. Are we to have categories Category:Sir Lancelot and Category:Sir Gawain or any one else in a host of characters of Arthurian romance?  The Arthurian cycle is essentially medieval legend.  We may threat this in a similar way to SciFi universes, where the tendency is to merge everything into a single category.  Peterkingiron (talk) 13:43, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - If these are not based upon the character from Arthurian legend, then this is WP:SHAREDNAME. Even if the other characters may be "inspired by". Listify if wanted, so each entry can be explained, which cannot be done in categorisation. - jc37 02:12, 26 March 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Heads of state of Slovakia

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 * The result of the discussion was: manual merge to Category:Heads of state by country, Category:Heads of state in Europe. Kbdank71 01:16, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Heads of state of Slovakia to Category:Heads of state by country, Category:Heads of state in Europe
 * Nominator's rationale: Manual merge to parents as needed. This is a follow-up to the similar Czech category just deleted per consensus at Categories for discussion/Log/2021 December 21. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:29, 9 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom, per precedent. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:25, 9 March 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Himachali people

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  bibliomaniac  1  5  05:53, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting himachali people
 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary category when we already have Category:People from Himachal Pradesh as a large parent category with enough sub-cats based on region and occupation. 'Himachali' is not an 'ethnic identifier' either, but a demonym for the people residing in the state, for which the Category:People from Himachal Pradesh is enough. Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:37, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * But the category People from Himachal Pradesh does not imply the ethnic Himachali people as some people of the category are of the Punjabi ethnicity. GujaratiHistoryinDNA (talk) 13:21, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * It is unnecessary since we already have a mega category titled Category:People from Himachal Pradesh, which includes all the necessary sub categories. Himachal Pradesh was not created on ethno-linguistic lines like Punjab, Gujarat, Tamil Nadu, so it cannot and should not have an ethnic category like Category:Punjabi people. Himachal Pradesh was created as a union territory in 1956 merging hilly regions of then British ruled Punjab Province. Himachal Pradesh is similar to the states of Uttarakhand, Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh, Arunachal Pradesh, etc that are NOT created on ethnic lines. Thus the categories for those states are similar to that of Category:People from Himachal Pradesh, etc. These states have multiple ethnic groups, for some of which ethnic categories are there. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:12, 9 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete, there is no Himachali people. At most rename to Category:Western Pahari-speaking people per Western Pahari and purge articles that do not mention language. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:36, 9 March 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Black-and-white music videos
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 March 17%23Category:Black-and-white music videos

Category:Former or old logos

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Non-free former or old logos.  bibliomaniac  1  5  05:53, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: The category describes the use to be restricted to non-free content. This should be specified in the title (or changed in the description). User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 12:06, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Former or old logos to Category:Non-free former or old logos

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  bibliomaniac 1  5  07:16, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment 's edit comment is enlightening -- thus where did the "#4" content go? There would likely be some free logos  that are "free" in the US, and thus available for EN.wiki, but not free somewhere else, so cannot be moved to Commons. -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 13:44, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I was the user who began categorizing files in this category. The purpose of the category is to collect all files that might not meet WP:NFCCP and nominate them for deletion, which I already did. The request however was closed because batch nominations wasn't deemed appropriate.Jonteemil (talk) 17:13, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: for the reocrd, it appears that you were referring to Deletion review/Log/2020 September 5 – not that we are here to reopen that discussion. But if I understand correctly, you are in effect confirming that the member files are non-free, which means this nomination should go ahead; is that correct? – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:07, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Rename per discussion between User:Jonteemil and User:Fayenatic london and edit the category header accordingly (i.e. remove #3 and #4). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:01, 17 March 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Invasive agricultural pests

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus.  bibliomaniac  1  5  05:54, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Invasive agricultural pests to Category:Agricultural pests
 * Nominator's rationale: A type of invasiveness is being an agricultural pest. These categories appear to be largely synonymous other than the definition of invasive typically specifying the species must be introduced to the area of study. See some previous CfDs on invasive species categories here: Template:Invasive_species_category/doc (note: I don't currently have a strong opinion as to whether "Agricultural pests" itself should be a category or if it would be better as a list article for example.) Hyperik ⌜talk⌟ 00:16, 2 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Support No difference between the two subjects. 27.57.181.26 (talk) 04:59, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose "invasive species" is a well-defined term, and there is a well-defined difference between "traditional" and "invaded" pests. Loew Galitz (talk) 05:04, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom and diffuse to Category:Invasive species in Africa and other continent categories. This category is based on a trivial intersection. There is no reason to remove the articles from the tree of Category:Invasive species though. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:34, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose - not all agricultural pests are invasive species. There were crops getting eaten by bugs before humans started moving animals around the planet.  Also, unlike Marcocapelle implies, not all invasive species affect agriculture.  Look at garlic mustard and dingos. --awkwafaba (📥) 12:50, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * This appears to be a misunderstanding. Neither garlic mustard nor dingos are in the nominated category. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:17, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * precisely so. Both are invasive species.  Neither are agricultural pests.  They are not synonyms.   could include  agricultural pests in it, but I doubt many members would be.  --awkwafaba (📥) 02:05, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I really do not understand what you are after. My amended proposal is to have an article like Bactrocera dorsalis, which is in the nominated category, recategorized to Category:Agricultural pests, Category:Invasive species in Africa and Category:Invasive species in Oceania. It is equally an agricultural pest in its original habitat (Southeast Asia) as it is in Africa and Oceania, so the facts that (1) it is an agricultural pest and (2) that it is invasive in certain continents, are independent of each other, there is no need for an interaction category. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I really do not understand what you are after. My amended proposal is to have an article like Bactrocera dorsalis, which is in the nominated category, recategorized to Category:Agricultural pests, Category:Invasive species in Africa and Category:Invasive species in Oceania. It is equally an agricultural pest in its original habitat (Southeast Asia) as it is in Africa and Oceania, so the facts that (1) it is an agricultural pest and (2) that it is invasive in certain continents, are independent of each other, there is no need for an interaction category. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 3 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose (I have been notified as creator) - On this specific nomination this is not correct: A type of invasiveness is being an agricultural pest. I am not entirely certain but I think you mean that agricultural pests are always said to be "invasive" in a particular plant, livestock animal's body, or field. That is in fact never said. That term is never used that way. On the general question of Invasive categories I oppose the status quo: Ongoing invasions can and should be determined by declaration by a government body currently/formerly hunting that species or by a RS saying the same. This would be as appropriate as any other Category. Invasive Spices (talk) 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I oppose the status quo: Ongoing invasions can and should be determined by declaration ... or by a RS saying the same: Would you be in favor of alternatively of a category system such as Category:Agricultural pests in the Global Invasive Species Database or Category:State-listed noxious weeds of Nevada,? Personally those seem a bit trivial as WP categories and might be better as "list" articles if present on Wikipedia at all. I agree if a species is going to be called invasive on WP, it needs to be specifically called invasive in a RS, e.g. 100 of the World's Worst Invasive Alien Species (which, sidenote, people looove to add species to even though it is very clear that it is a specific, narrow, cited list).
 * By A type of invasiveness is being an agricultural pest I'm referring to the most broadly accepted definition of invasive species, e.g. "An invasive species is a non-native species ... whose introduction causes or is likely to cause economic harm, environmental harm, or harm to human health. " Since economic harm alone is a type of invasiveness, and economic harm can take the form of being an agricultural pest, under that definition, being an agricultural pest is a type of invasiveness when that species is not native to the area where it is causing harm. So, under most broadly accepted definitions, "invasive agricultural pest" is exactly synonymous with "non-native agricultural pest", and past CfDs have been pretty clear that introduced/non-native status itself isn't worthy of categorization for individual taxon pages. Or, are you saying that an agricultural pest may not cause economic, environmental, or human harm? I think that is tautological per the definition of "pest", so I am coming up short on examples. I'm not totally sure what you believe was incorrect about the statement and would appreciate any clarification! —Hyperik ⌜talk⌟ 18:24, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * [Category:Agricultural pests in the Global Invasive Species Database] or [Category:State-listed noxious weeds of Nevada] I agree those are trivial. I am suggesting combined categories of any invasive listed by any RS. A Nevada category made up of Nevada's state government or any other authority saying a problem exists. Since economic harm alone is a type of invasiveness Misunderstanding. That term is never used that way. past CfDs Yes I am aware. I simply don't like that and want to change it. Invasive Spices (talk) 6 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Merge. All agricultural pests are native in their original range and invasive when they reach new lands. Invasive is entirely meaningless when not defined by geography. An invasive species in North America may be native in Europe and vice versa. For example, the European chafer is not an invasive species in Europe, it is only invasive in North America.-- Mvqr  (talk) 12:54, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
 * All agricultural pests are native in their original range and invasive when they reach new lands. Some are invasive natives. Many pests are not in an ongoing invasion, having a stable range but eating things we would rather they did not. Invasive Spices (talk) 6 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link to that newly created redirect ("invasive native"); I have nominated it for deletion/retargeting if people are interested in discussing it there. —Hyperik ⌜talk⌟ 18:36, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  bibliomaniac 1  5  07:10, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge -- They are probably pests whether they are native or invasive. It might be possible to have categories for species that are invasive in a particular area (such as Nevada), but probably better not.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:33, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. We should differentiate. --Just N. (talk) 14:40, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes we should differentiate by continent, as perfectly outlined above. We need not to differentiate by unrelated characteristics. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:50, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


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Category:Sweden military-related lists

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:05, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting sweden military-related lists
 * Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated version of, but identical in scope to Category:Swedish military-related lists. The latter is in the form consistent with Category:Military lists by country. The category's lone article List of Swedish field marshals is already properly subcategorized under Swedish military-related lists via Category:Lists of Swedish military personnel. -- DB1729 (talk) 03:40, 9 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:16, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment This category has already been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 06:31, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 08:30, 12 March 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Kasautii Zindagii Kay

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep.  bibliomaniac  1  5  04:55, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Why we need category for TV Series? 42774 (talk) 08:49, 7 January 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  02:52, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting kasautii zindagii kay
 * Why not? Marcocapelle (talk) 08:52, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep because it facilitates navigation between related topics, but purge Balaji Telefilms, the producer and cast members, see WP:PERFCAT. After purging there will still be 4 pages in the category. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:20, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Speedy keep per WP:SK; no actual rationale for deletion is presented. No objection to Fayenatic london's proposed purge (although one doesn't normally need consensus to purge a category). * Pppery * it has begun... 04:16, 9 March 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Kumkum Bhagya

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure)  JBchrch   talk  23:37, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Why we need category for TV Series? 42774 (talk) 08:56, 7 January 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  02:52, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting kumkum bhagya
 * Keep, articles on Indian drama TV series and two spin-off series. It also links to a Commons category. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:14, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Speedy keep per WP:SK; no actual rationale for deletion is presented. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 04:16, 9 March 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Water supply in Western Australia
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Water supply and sanitation in Western Australia. Category:Water management in Western Australia and Category:Water supply in Western Australia into Category:Water supply and sanitation in Western Australia Kbdank71 01:37, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: The two categories appear to have the same scope, and Water supply in Western Australia has only recently been created. (Strictly speaking "management" could include sewerage whereas "supply" would not, but there appears to be no such entries in Water management in Western Australia.) Mitch Ames (talk) 12:52, 4 January 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  02:38, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Water supply in Western Australia to Category:Water management in Western Australia
 * Water management encompasses water resources and the administration/policy/management/buracracy of water resources (government/department of water) whereas water supply (water corporation) is around delivery of water to consumers through developed water infrastructure. Managing water as a resource is a whole different speciality than the delivery of the utility. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HezbollahiFunShip (talk • contribs) 14:22, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * please advise what you think the category hierarchy should be. Is "management" a subcat of "supply" or vice versa? Can we have specific examples of pages that should be (directly) in one cat but not the other, and the reasons why? Answers to those questions might help justify the separate categories. Mitch Ames (talk) 23:46, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge or reverse merge, the content of the two categories is very similar, mostly about infrastructure. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:29, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * comment the discussion above is interesting - a very simple examination of the parent category shows the precedence across the country is Category:Water_supply_and_sanitation_in_Australia_by_state_or_territory - and the general practice in naming of the other states could offer a standard for precedence...  JarrahTree 06:16, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Rename Category:Water management in Western Australia (now also tagged) to Category:Water supply and sanitation in Western Australia, and merge the new Category:Water supply in Western Australia into it. This will be consistent with the parent, and the international hierarchy Category:Water supply and sanitation by country above it. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:01, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
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 * I am perfectly happy with Fayenatic london's solution. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:36, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * If a merge happens, make sure to purge the merged category of entries that are already in one of it's subcategories, of which there are a lot. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 04:16, 9 March 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Thedwastre Hundred
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Kbdank71 02:03, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Its not likely appropriate to have a category for a long abolished unit. As with Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 21 its likely that there won't be many other articles for the hundred its self. I emptied this category a few days ago but the author re added pages to I bring this to CFD.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 22:25, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting thedwastre hundred
 * Oppose: This is presentism, see Presentism. These administrative boundaries were in operation for over 700 years. This a completely different kettle of fish to Armidale Dumaresq Shire, the example quoted here, which existed for less than 17 years. As such, they became a useful term by historians, antiquarians and topographers. For example, see John Kirby (topographer), whose pioneering 1735 book The Suffolk Traveller; or, a Journey through Suffolk] uses hundreds as an analytical category. As more and more such historical studies become available on line, there will be a steady increase in the need for such categories as an aid for understanding the historical development of those geographic spaces which were governed by such administrative areas.Leutha (talk) 00:03, 3 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete, not a defining characteristic of modern villages. No objection to converting this to a list though. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:47, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * There is already a list of the 24 parishes it contained at Thedwastre.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 12:00, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * If names of villages are considered to refer to modern appearances shorn of historical antecedents, then we would need to create separate pages referring to the Civil parish of xxx of each location, or perhaps a History of xxx if this information could be merged with other historical aspects of the location. Or even with the parish church? All of these approaches have their merits, however they also involve a lot of work. Reliable secondary sources on these early periods of history are becoming increasingly available, as well as lively local websites collating their local history, so this area has a promising future. Separate pages, each generating its own wikidata entry, would be great, I think. But how would we attract sufficient editors to make this happen? So, I feel it would be premature to delete this category at this stage.Leutha (talk) 12:35, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Information on what former units a place was in can be discussed in the article its self, Drinkstone for example already mentions that it was in the hundred of Thedwastre.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 17:38, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Every village may have been part of all sorts of historical events, that is what we have articles for, not categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:12, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Well I certainly agree with you. But the role of categories is not to provide a location for information but to facilitate navigation from the article to article. I note that Beyton does not enjoy the same sort of linkage in the article as Drinkstone. That's why it is important to retain this category.Leutha (talk) 02:02, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * We have categories for defining characteristics only, otherwise the article would get loads of category links so that you no longer see the wood for the trees. Defining in this case means that they are English villages. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:46, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Well:

So Aside from Woolpit, all the parishes have only 4 or 5 categories, and in each of these cases presence of a stub category is what makes the difference between 4 or 5. If we do more work on those stubs, we can soon get the number of categories down to 2. As for Woolpit, well, perhaps @Marcocapelle would like to make their opinions known as they have clearly already given this some thought. My view is that perhaps they may have a case with pages like Abraham Lincoln, with over 40 categories, but none of our villages, not even a lively place like Woolpit, have anything like that many categories. Perhaps if we start having pages with a couple of dozen categories we can revisit the issue then.Leutha (talk) 12:00, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * They are currently only 4 or 5 exactly because we categorize by defining characteristic only. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:04, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, clearly being located in a hundred is a defining characteristic, albeit historical. It locates the village within a larger jurisdiction. As pointed out Woolpit has a larger number of categories. It would be great to know whether @Marcocapelle regards each of these as a "defining characteristic".Leutha (talk) 17:06, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Certainly not, that can be reduced to 4 or 5 too. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:41, 4 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Weak delete, though the argument "Its not likely appropriate to have a category for a long abolished unit." is invalid... unless you'd also like to consider the likes of and  for deletion. Grutness...  wha?   02:20, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Fair point, we do have topic categories such as Category:Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic. But this category does not contain all cities and villages of Belarus. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:00, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
 * See the rule of thumb a defining characteristic is one that reliable, secondary sources commonly and consistently define, in prose, the subject as having. For example: "Subject is an adjective noun ..." or "Subject, an adjective noun, ...". If such examples are common, each of adjective and noun may be deemed to be "defining" for subject. As stated previously such reliable sources as John Kirby (topographer), to which we might add Frederic Shoberl, Augustine Page (See his A Supplement to the Suffolk Traveller, Or, Topographical and Genealogical Collections Concerning that County (1844) each use the hundreds as an organising principal, defining each village as being within its respective Hundred. I do not find the introduction of an erroneous [Reductio ad absurdum] as helpful. A sensible comparison would be having first level administrative divisions included, i.e. the Okrugs of the Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic, which are 10 in number. This would be just like having the category:Villages in Suffolk which includes our villages, which in turn is part of category:Villages in England by county, and then category:Villages in England.Leutha (talk) 14:27, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
 * It is reasonable to have the former okrugs of the Soviet era in a category about the Soviet era. That is incompatible with English villages that still exist today. The comparison would only have been ok if the villages would have ceased to exist when the concept of Thedwastre Hundred was no longer relevant. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:13, 10 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep, largely on the basis that there's no convincing argument put forward for deletion. Thedwastre Hundred existed for centuries and any directory or history book prior to the 20th century would have described the contents of the Hundred (e.g. the parishes within it). Sionk (talk) 17:52, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
 * That is a perfect reason for a list article. However a category requires that the sources about the villages consistently describe them as part of the Hundred. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:51, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * There are numerous categories that exist for geographical, political and adminstrative areas that no longer exist. Your rationale doesn't make any sense. Why would sources "consistently" refer to the villages as part of a hundred that is no longer adminstratively (or otherwise) used. Sionk (talk) 00:56, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

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 * Note that Category:Babergh Hundred has been created which should probably be deleted as well.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 08:38, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, there have certainly been precedents for not categorising current settlements by former administrative divisions. As recommended above, use lists instead. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:26, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
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 * If we categorize by areas a place was in a place could be in dozens of categories. Generally we only use current divisions.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 08:31, 28 March 2022 (UTC)


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World conquest games
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. Kbdank71 02:08, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: This is a follow-up to Categories for discussion/Log/2021 October 22. There was consensus to merge that parent to Wargames, and a suggestion to likewise nominate & subcats. However, there is a lead article for grand strategy game with citations for the term, e.g., so I have not nominated those siblings. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:37, 21 December 2021 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  01:55, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:World conquest board games to Category:Board wargames
 * Propose merging Category:World conquest video games to Category:War video games
 * Support per nom and per previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:36, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose. as the category scope and content clearly shows, these are valid categorizations. ---Sm8900 (talk) 🌍 19:00, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Support 1st, Oppose 2nd While the first merge seems valid, the 2nd one is merging them to a category for video games about war, not wargame video games. It should probably be moved instead to Category:Wargame video games or something.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 15:42, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @ZXCVBNM: would Category:Computer wargames be a better target? – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:55, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Probably. They all appear to be PC games. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 14:55, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose '/ keep'! - The existing are very good and valid category names. The former discussion had a very small base and IMO didn't achieve a convincing result. 'Wargames' is a very broadm vague and not at all precise wording. --Just N. (talk) 22:08, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
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 * I am perfectly happy with Fayenatic london's alternative. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:39, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose - There's got to be a way to sub-cat so that we can differentiate tabletop board wargames which are continental/world-wide, and those just based upon individual local wars/battles. Lumping them all together reduces navigation in this case. Lookig over Category:Grand strategy wargames, maybe merging to that, is the solution. (though its subcats prolly need a speedy rename from "X games" to "X wargames" to match Grand strategy wargame.) - jc37 02:30, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Well hmm, looking at [], "World conquest" would appear to be the common term for these. Also, checking google, I'm not finding much that calls these "grand strategy" that doesn't use our Wikipedia article as a source. Seems we're in WP:NEOLOGISM territory with that. So maybe the rename needs to start there. I now strongly Oppose the proposal. These are clearly World conquest games/wargames. - jc37 02:40, 26 March 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Woolen clothing
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Kbdank71 02:24, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: the word "woolen" can be spelled "woollen" and the idiom "Wool clothing" is more exact. ChanziP (talk) 17:49, 23 December 2021 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:13, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Woolen clothing to Category:Wool clothing
 * Procedural note: I came across this malformed nomination on the category page with no discussion linked to it, so I moved the rationale here. – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:49, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Option B

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  01:35, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Wool clothing to Category:Woolen clothing
 * I added Option B because the nominator has partly moved the contents to a duplicate category already. – Fayenatic  L ondon 17:59, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Option B - the article is Woolen (US spelling) so Category:Woolen clothing seems OK. "Wool clothing" doesn't sound idiomatic to my ear. It should probably be Category:Woolen industry as well, rather than Category:Woollen industry. Oculi (talk) 18:27, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, the inconsistency is not great. Adding:
 * Propose renaming Category:Woollen industry to Category:Woolen industry
 * Propose renaming Category:Woollen mills to Category:Woolen mills
 * The current names should be redirected as WP:ENGVAR. – Fayenatic  L ondon 08:37, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Rename somehow, I am not sure whether woolen or woollen or wool is correct, but one of them should be applied consistently. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:38, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep/rename as "woollen". This is an ENGVAR issue.  American English spells it woolen; British English woollen.  I am wearing a garment made of wool, but I am not wearing wood = what grows on the back of sheep and yarn made from it.  Certainly we should be consistent, preferably by renaming to Category:Woollen clothing to conform to the other two.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:18, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Support Category:Wool clothing, if only to avoid the ENGVAR tangle. And go to  Category:Wool industry, which is better anyway - this covers carpets etc too. Johnbod (talk) 11:39, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
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 * Rename/Merge to Category:Wool clothing per MOS:COMMONALITY. - jc37 02:51, 26 March 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Psychoanalytic terminology
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Kbdank71 03:12, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: manually merge, the category is not about terminology (i.e. a language category) but rather contains a hodgepodge of unrelated terms. Many of the articles are already in a more specific subcategory of Category:Psychoanalysis so they can just be purged here. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:25, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Psychoanalytic terminology to Category:Psychoanalysis
 * Keep! Merging two very huge, almost overpopulated categories? No way helpful for users to navigate. Big rate of purging possible? I doubt that. --Just N. (talk) 22:44, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * If you are in doubt, just check the articles. I did that too. Besides Category:Psychoanalysis currently only contains 24 non-diffused articles, that is far from overpopulated. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:01, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * No, 24 non-diffused articles is enough populated to get to a limit where it becomes unoverseeable and unclear. AND you forgot to mention the sizable number of subcategories. AND by merging two big categories we would get a huge one. Not a good idea at all! Usability for our users should rule IMHO! --Just N. (talk) 01:23, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * How exactly is a vague word like "terminology" being used as a category increasing usability? This categorisation has actively made locate articles harder for me, because currently I have to check through 2 categories rather than one. --Xurizuri (talk) 16:41, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  bibliomaniac 1  5  05:28, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep there are enough articles that having a subcategory for "terms that would be in a glossary of psychoanalysis" is helpful, and the vast majority of entries in Category:Psychoanalytic terminology are correctly there. User:力 (powera, π,  ν ) 19:43, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
 * what you are describing is a WP:Glossary. If a glossary would be helpful, then just make one. However, "these are words that get used sometimes" isn't actually a helpful categorical distinction, and that's what we're here to discuss. Merge, purge, then create subcategories if needed. --Xurizuri (talk) 16:41, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  01:17, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Manual merge per nom; also convert to list and see if it can be made useful. I have started a page Glossary of psychoanalysis as a bare list of the contents of this category. you may be willing to add definitions and citations there. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:59, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't have the time or interest to merge many of the stubs here to a glossary or list article, but as the consensus of this discussion I am fine with it. User:力 (powera, π,  ν ) 01:33, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
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 * Comment - Maybe I'm missing something, but why exactly is this not an appropriate subcat of Category:Terminology? It seems very comparable to Category:Medical terminology, for example. - jc37 02:56, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Terminology categories should be about the intersection of the topic with linguistics. See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Categories/Archive_4. Many (most?) former "terminology" categories have been deleted on the same rationale as this nomination. Category:Medical terminology contains some valid subcats and a few valid articles e.g. Anatomical terms of location, but it needs purging along with its topic-based subcats.– Fayenatic  L ondon 07:13, 12 April 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Resovia Rzeszów coaches
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Resovia (volleyball) coaches.  bibliomaniac  1  5  05:00, 28 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment – result of this discussion should also apply to Category:Resovia (volleyball) players. Dicklyon (talk) 16:42, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Option A or B? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  01:13, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose still – the mid-parenthetical disambiguator is highly abnormal. We could use Category:Resovia coaches (volleyball) or Category:Resovia volleyball coaches instead.  Dicklyon (talk) 16:42, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
 * The mid-parenthetical disambiguator is not that abnormal. But Category:Resovia volleyball coaches will also do in this case. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:39, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Option B: Propose renaming Category:Resovia Rzeszów coaches to Category:Resovia volleyball coaches
 * Propose renaming Category:Resovia (volleyball) players to Category:Resovia volleyball players (tagged 3 January)
 * I have added that alternative as Option B, and have no objection to it. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:56, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Either option is an improvement vs current. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:00, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Support option B, Category:Resovia volleyball coaches, and similarly for Category:Resovia (volleyball) players -> Category:Resovia volleyball players — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dicklyon (talk • contribs) 02:50, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Support option A as the main article is Resovia (volleyball). Armbrust The Homunculus 18:53, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
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 * Support option A This low-participation CfD is not the place to make the radical argument that we should completely re-do the way we handle disambiguators in categories. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 04:16, 9 March 2022 (UTC)


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