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Category:America's Got Talent judges

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  14:53, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting america's got talent judges
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:PERFCAT – Muboshgu (talk) 21:25, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. The parent category should probably be nominated for the same reason. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:36, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Forza (series)
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 May 24%23Category:Forza (series)

WikiProject Animation A-Class categories

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 * The result of the discussion was: soft delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:36, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: All these categories are empty as it seems that Template:WikiProject Animation does not support A-class tagging. --Gonnym (talk) 13:46, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * a-class animation articles of bottom-importance
 * a-class animation articles of high-importance
 * a-class animation articles of low-importance
 * a-class animation articles of mid-importance
 * a-class animation articles of na-importance
 * a-class animation articles of top-importance
 * a-class animation articles of unknown-importance
 * a-class american animation articles
 * a-class animated films articles
 * a-class animated television articles
 * a-class animation people articles
 * a-class asian animation articles
 * a-class canadian animation articles
 * a-class computer animation articles
 * a-class dreamworks animation articles
 * a-class european animation articles
 * a-class hanna-barbera articles
 * a-class looney tunes articles
 * a-class machinima articles
 * a-class pixar articles
 * a-class spongebob squarepants articles
 * a-class stop motion articles
 * a-class warner bros. animation articles
 * a-class web animation articles
 * a-class world animation articles


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Category:Judge Advocate General's Corps, United States Navy

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:30, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose rename Category:Judge Advocate General's Corps, United States Navy to united states navy judge advocate general's corps
 * Nominator's rationale: Match article name. See also Category:Administrative corps of the United States Navy for consistency. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 12:30, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Speedy rename per WP:C2D. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:46, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename Abhishek0831996 (talk) 07:42, 20 May 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Judge Advocate General's Corps, United States Air Force

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  19:52, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose rename Category:Judge Advocate General's Corps, United States Air Force to united states air force judge advocate general's corps
 * Nominator's rationale: Match article name. See also Category:United States Air Force specialisms for consistency. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 12:30, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Speedy rename per WP:C2D. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:49, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename Abhishek0831996 (talk) 07:42, 20 May 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Judge Advocate General's Corps, United States Army

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:22, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose rename Category:Judge Advocate General's Corps, United States Army to united states army judge advocate general's corps
 * Nominator's rationale: Match article name. See also Category:Branches of the United States Army for consistency. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 12:24, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Speedy rename per WP:C2D. The article was moved about half a year ago based on an RM. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:53, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Speedy rename Abhishek0831996 (talk) 07:42, 20 May 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Unexplained archaeological artifacts

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:30, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting unexplained archaeological artifacts
 * Nominator's rationale: This is an undefined category with no corresponding main article. A ton of archeological artifacts are not fully explained. Delete and don't upmerge (also, compare to well defined - with main article Category:Out-of-place artifacts). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:53, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Strong keep. highly stable category, with highly specific and objective criteria for inclusion. serves a valuable purpose here, for encyclopedic coverage. --Sm8900 (talk) 15:39, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I do not see any "highly specific and objective criteria for inclusion". This is a case of creating a category before writing an article about it and it should really be the other way around. Have archaeologists written about "unexplained artefacts" as a topic in its own right? Marcocapelle (talk) 18:04, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * we have numerous categories here that do not have an anchor article to accompany it. an anchor article might be one valid basis for creating a category; it has never been asserted as a mandatory criteria or prerequisite for creating a category. --Sm8900 (talk) 20:47, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * We do need one if criteria are as unclear as in this case. And having articles is the primary purpose of Wikipedia anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:15, 17 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per above discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:15, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete We have a group of possible geofacts, a submerged megalith of unknown origin and purpose, a stone circle which has not been located, a type of defense wall whose construction technique and function is unknown, and a mound of uncertain origin. How about Category:Archaeological artifacts of unknown purpose? –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 14:27, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm totally open to that as an alternate option for this category. thanks. Sm8900 (talk) 20:48, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * "Unexplained" doesnt seem very defining. Plenty of archaeological artifacts, and other phenomena, were unexplained until somebody explained them.  The explanation may or may not stand the test of time. Rathfelder (talk) 20:17, 20 May 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Mysteries

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:31, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting mysteries
 * Nominator's rationale: I propose upmerging this to parent Category:Unexplained phenomena. Reasons. 1) It's unclear what is the difference between mystery (disambig) and unexplained phenomena (red link). 2) Cat-about states "The main article for this category is Mysteries.", pointing to said disambig, and aside from specific links to movies and such, the only more generic article linked from that is Sacred mysteries. Which is obviously too narrow. Obviously, some sort of category (and main article) are needed, but one should be enough. Splitting mysteries from 'unexplained phenomena' is just pointless creation of poorly defined related entities, category POVFORKs. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:41, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep. this category is highly stable, and used by numerous articles and editors. --Sm8900 (talk) 20:50, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete. Per nom, the split between this and unexplained phenomena is not particularly clear, and without any sort of explanation or article to anchor this category to, it serves no purpose besides to house things that editors find mysterious. It's not encyclopedic. -fuzzy510 (talk) 01:09, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete (rather than merge) per WP:NONDEF and likely WP:OR, besides the category covers hugely disperate topics (e.g. compare 52-hertz whale, 2021 Natanz incident and Altered state of consciousness) such that combining them in one category does not make much sense. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:30, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete 100% redundant to various subcategories of Category:Open problems and Category:Paranormal. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 14:30, 17 May 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Percussion instruments used in worship
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Category:Religious fiction
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. The discussion was leaning keep, though there were concerns about the category's ambiguity. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:37, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Religious fiction to Category:Fiction about religion
 * Nominator's rationale: There is no reason to split those concepts, is there? And the 'about Foo' wording is more clear. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 16:29, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:20, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose, the nomination is based on a misunderstanding. Subcategories of Category:Religious fiction contain fiction created by adherents of a particular religion. Religious fiction may be considered to be part of inspirational fiction as a genre. Marcocapelle (talk) 01:50, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Marcocapelle Is this differentiation based on sources? (And why isn't it explained in the categories)? In particular, Religious fiction does not explain its scope. How are we to know if the intended or current scope fits your understanding of it? If as you say this category is based on who wrote it, then it should not be under ' Fiction by genre' but under a different tree, 'Fiction by author's background' or such (we do have Category:Fiction by nationality only). Maybe rename to Category:Fiction by author's religious background? We need clear title, the current one is obviously super ambigious. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:38, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * For sure Christian novels and Christian drama are a thing, and this category tree of religious fiction apparently expanded from there. It happens more often that higher level categories are not exactly equivalent to a real life concept but still useful to connect lower level categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:44, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment -- There may be a difference between fiction about religious topics and fiction written from a particular religious point of view. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:12, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Then at minimum we need a 'category about' description in these categories. Right now they don't address how they differ, which result in entries being added to one or another rather haphazardly. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:13, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - I can also see a distinction between religious fiction (i.e., from a religious point of view) and fiction about religion, but I'm not convinced we can reliably categorise individual works into one or the other rather than just producing endless arguments over whether a particular work is 'religious enough' to count as the former. FrankSpheres (talk) 10:37, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Oppose. As per Marcocapelle's reasons above. --Sm8900 (talk) 20:48, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Family saga
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus (non-admin closure) . For what it is worth, I created Category:Family saga television series, as I think that could be done irrespective of the outcome of this discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:11, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Family saga to Category:Family sagas
 * Nominator's rationale: Shouldn't this be plural? If so, the child category should follow suit too. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 16:32, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:19, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Split everything except Category:Family saga novels‎, Family saga, and Aga saga to Category:Family saga television series, and then Keep what's left as a topic category of the sort than should generally be singular. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 22:40, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
 * what is your opinion about Pppery's alternative? Marcocapelle (talk) 00:40, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Pppery @Marcocapelle But we still have Category:Memoirs, Category:Novels, etc. all in plural. Why keep saga instead of sagas? <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:02, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


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Category:Pranksters
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Category:Foot percussion
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 June 7%23Category:Foot percussion