Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 May 18



Category:Religious buildings by constituent entities of the Russian Federation

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Religious buildings and structures in Russia by federal subject. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  19:05, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting religious buildings by constituent entities of the russian federation
 * Nominator's rationale: I'm hoping the regulars here know whether or not Wikipedia categorizes according to "by constituent entities of the Russian Federation". In my quick search, I could only find this phrasing on 5 categories created today by editor User:Boxes12. If there is another appropriate category, this category could be merged. Liz Read! Talk! 01:17, 22 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment, according to Federal subjects of Russia the category should be merged to Category:Buildings and structures in Russia by federal subject, while Category:Buildings and structures in Russia by krai, Category:Buildings and structures in Russia by oblast and Category:Buildings and structures in Russia by republic should also be merged into Category:Buildings and structures in Russia by federal subject.Marcocapelle (talk) 04:48, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
 * You all seem to have encyclopedic memories...but it seems like there are several options here. Liz Read! Talk! 05:28, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
 * That is right, meanwhile there is more content, so now a better option is to rename to Category:Religious buildings and structures in Russia by federal subject, C2C per Category:Buildings and structures in Russia by federal subject, and as a follow-up also nominate the subcategories that I just added to the category for renaming. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:55, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: No clear consensus. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 21:52, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge somehow. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:31, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Rename per Marcocapelle. Russian Wikipedia categories mostly use the Russian term meaning "constituent entities of the Russian Federation", but English Wikipedia categories follow the name of the English article Federal subjects of Russia. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:48, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * with the additional category content, do you have objections against renaming to Category:Religious buildings and structures in Russia by federal subject? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:03, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep but rename as per Marcocapelle. Organizing by state level ("federal subject" here) is usual for large countries, but the name of the category itself should be improved.-- Mvqr (talk) 11:18, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename. It makes sense to have some sort of geographic way of categorizing these entities and organizing at the level of province/state equivalent is more than reasonable. However, this is going to require a bit of merging to pull off and, while I support this, the closure of this discussion should indicate whether or not that they believe merging is appropriate. — Ⓜ️hawk10 (talk) 22:14, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Happy with Category:Religious buildings and structures in Russia by federal subject. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:44, 22 May 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Television series by Stone Stanley Entertainment

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  16:18, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 00:26, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting television series by stone stanley entertainment
 * Nominator's rationale: Parent article deleted quite some time ago. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 04:45, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  21:19, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, it is a valid subcategory of Category:Game shows by studio even while Stone Stanley Entertainment no longer exists. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:20, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


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Category:Animated television series about fish

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. North America1000 15:20, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting animated television series about fish
 * Nominator's rationale: Not a defining trait. Most of these shows only have a fish as a primary or secondary character (American Dad, Gumball, Spongebob, Scaredy Squirrel). Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 16:41, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  21:19, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Was previously batch-nominated for deletion in Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_April_10, with consensus to purge non-defining entries where it does not represent a primary character. However, no user raised this perspective on the topic. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 02:31, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep for now as a valid subcategory of Category:Animated television series about animals. Not sure if that entire tree should be kept but that may be food for another discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep per argument made by Marcocapelle that it is a valid subcategory of Category:Animated television series about animals. The OP says it isn't a "defining trait" but then admits that "most of these shows only have a fish as a primary or secondary character". Doesn't that justify the necessity of the category? It seems like it does to me. --Historyday01 (talk) 18:38, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep I had argued a similar point in the previous CfD, as did most of the other Keep !voters. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 12:36, 20 May 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Shopping malls by management company
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 June 8%23Category:Shopping malls by management company

Category:Medical conditions with no known cure
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:22, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting medical conditions with no known cure
 * Nominator's rationale: It's unclear what's supposed to be placed in this category. Medical conditions do not divide neatly into "known cure" and "no known cure".  Additionally, there is a technical distinction between a condition being treatable vs curable that is not obvious to most readers (or Wikipedia editors).  It's not a severity question, because some "incurable medical conditions" cause no real health problems (e.g., male-pattern baldness), and some "curable" ones kill millions of people (e.g., pneumonia).
 * Even if you know the distinction, it's hard to implement in practice. For example, someone added HIV/AIDS to this category, and yet we have an article about Timothy Ray Brown, the first-ever person permanently cured of HIV/AIDS (there have been at least eight people cured, mostly by accidentally acquiring an even worse disease called Graft-versus-host disease).
 * I therefore suggest that Wikipedia is better off not having this category at all. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:43, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - I agree not a clear classification and not useful. |→ Spaully ~talk~ 19:30, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete - It's not a well-defined concept and this category does more damage than good. Dr. Vogel (talk) 00:53, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete – per above, and noting that linked to  which has been deleted three times. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 02:39, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Worse than the "Lists of" articles that have been deleted, because a category has no sources and is a binary in/out system that doesn't fit with reality here. I think it partly comes from considering only infectious disease rather than considering the multitude of medical conditions people are born with or acquire in life. This is looking at things the wrong way round and is more like "People who haven't played professional football". -- Colin°Talk 07:59, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Would include, at time of writing, all disorders caused solely by genetic defects or chromosomal abnormalities, apart from experimental gene therapy. The distinction between treatment and cure is also a bit unclear in some cases, such as for congenital defects that involve extra or missing body parts. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 13:08, 20 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:10, 26 May 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Cable game shows
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  19:10, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting cable game shows
 * Nominator's rationale: No other format of TV show uses somethig so vague as "cable" as a qualifier. All of these already categorized by network anyway (e.g. Category:Game Show Network original programming, Category:Comedy Central game shows) or other relevant categories. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 17:09, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:47, 26 May 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Recipients of Gold cutlass of Polish forester
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. For anyone willing to create a list: Grzegorz Schetyna‎ and Piotr Paweł Morta‎ were the members of this category (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:28, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting recipients of gold cutlass of polish forester
 * Nominator's rationale: Delete this category as this obscure award is not defining OCAWARD. Mvqr  (talk) 13:00, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Listify (if necessary) and delete -- Clearly an OCAWARD case. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:46, 22 May 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Works based on Jurassic Park
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:41, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Works based on Jurassic Park to Category:Jurassic Park mass media
 * Nominator's rationale: The vast majority of content in this category are not adapations or really based on the original novel, instead they are just instalments of the overall franchise mainly popularized by the film series. ★Trekker (talk) 09:44, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose - part of Category:Works based on American novels. Also amusement parks are not mass media. Oculi (talk) 12:30, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Anything that is actually not "based" on it but just part of the franchise should be moved into the parent category and out of that one. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:52, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell only the film is actually based on the novel. There is pretty much nothing else that applies to this category.★Trekker (talk) 19:56, 19 May 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Discontinued Apple Inc. products
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  21:07, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting discontinued apple inc. products
 * Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:NONDEF. Something like IPod Socks is not affected by being discontinued nor becomes unusable. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:14, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep – The category is populated with discontinued products that are no longer manufactured. For Wikipedia's purposes of organizing content, product usability has nothing to do with whether or not a company discontinues producing a product. This category is not titled as "Non-usable Apple Inc. products", because usability is not a factor; the status of production is the defining factor. It is entirely defining when a product is discontinued; it is no longer made. Furthermore, there is an entire main category of Category:Discontinued products, and deletion of this category would hinder the organization of the encyclopedia for discontinued products. North America1000 03:05, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, it is a valid subcategory of Category:Discontinued products. If anything, the whole tree should be nominated together. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:10, 19 May 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Discontinued smartphones
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  21:07, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting discontinued smartphones
 * Propose deleting discontinued iphones
 * Nominator's rationale: Failure of WP:NONDEF. Whether a smartphone gets discontinued is not defining as it would be with an online service. A smartphone is generally not hindered in any way by being discontinued, besides not being obtainable anymore through the non-used market. It may eventually be unable to operate on modern cellular networks, but this is not the "obsolete smartphones" category. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:44, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep – These categories serves to organize articles for discontinued mobile phones, specifically, smartphones and iPhones that are no longer being manufactured. It is entirely defining when a product is no longer produced; hence the term "discontinued". Whether or not a smartphone is "hindered" has nothing to do with its production status of being discontinued. Indeed, as per the nomination, this is not the "obsolete smartphones" category; it's a category for smartphones no longer in production. Also, while smartphones can utilize network services, it is not a qualifier to then dismiss smartphones that are no longer produced; some people use smartphones as personal digital assistants without a network. In other words, consumer use or non-use of a network (termed "online service" in the nomination), is not aligned in general with whether or not a manufacturer discontinues production of a product. It's apples and oranges. Furthermore, there is an entire main category of Category:Discontinued products, and deletion of this category would hinder the organization of the encyclopedia for discontinued products. North America1000 01:27, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, it is a valid subcategory of Category:Discontinued products. If anything, the whole tree should be nominated together. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:10, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Exactly. All products are discontinued eventually. Rathfelder (talk) 08:46, 22 May 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Discontinued video game consoles
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  21:06, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting discontinued video game consoles
 * Propose deleting discontinued handheld game consoles
 * Nominator's rationale: Failure of WP:NONDEF. Whether a game console gets discontinued is not defining as it would be with an online service or online game. A game console is generally not hindered in any way by being discontinued, besides not being obtainable anymore through the non-used market. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:33, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep – These categories serve to organize articles for discontinued video game consoles and handheld game consoles; consoles that are no longer manufactured. It is specifically defining when a product is no longer produced; hence the term "discontinued". Contrary to the nomination statement of "not defining as it would be with an online service or online game", actually many discontinued products such as these do not utilize online services, utilizing cartridges and the like instead. For example, per the Nintendo 64 article, which is in this category, it was "the last major home console to use cartridges as its primary storage format". Likewise, the Game Boy also uses cartridges, and lacks capability to even connect to online services. The category organizes articles for consoles no longer in production; it is irrelevant whether or not online services are used or not. Also, there is an entire main category of Category:Discontinued products, and deletion of this category would hinder the organization of the encyclopedia for discontinued products. North America1000 01:38, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep, it is a valid subcategory of Category:Discontinued products. If anything, the whole tree should be nominated together. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:11, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep until we figure out how to deal with "unsupported products", the whole idea of a discontinued product is suspect.Adam.Sudo (talk) 17:16, 4 June 2022 (UTC)


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Salts of carboxylic acids
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 * The result of the discussion was: soft delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 08:59, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting acetoacetates
 * Propose deleting decanoates
 * Propose deleting isobutyrates
 * Propose deleting octanoates
 * Propose deleting palmitates
 * Propose deleting pivalates
 * Propose deleting valerates
 * Nominator's rationale: These categories contain only the conjugate acid. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 02:52, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Shouldn't the categories be merged to Category:Salts of carboxylic acids rather than just deleted? I know nothing about the topic, my question is just based on categorization logic. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:14, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * No, because the articles in question (e.g. Acetoacetic acid) are not salts. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 04:16, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * OK. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:12, 19 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes that is right; they are not salts, but should we not merge all into Category:Carboxylic acids? Or is that the same as Category:Alkanoic acids.  It is too long since I learnt chemistry for me to remember.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:52, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
 * would you mind answering Peterkingiron's question too? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:45, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * All of the articles are already in an appropriate subcategory of Category:Carboxylic acids, which is Category:Alkanoic acids for all except acetoacetic acid; the latter is in Category:Beta-keto acids. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 07:29, 26 May 2022 (UTC)


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