Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 May 20



Category:Films with ballet sequences

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 00:27, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting films with ballet sequences
 * Nominator's rationale: Not a necessary category Why? I Ask (talk) 22:01, 20 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete, not a defining characteristic. Insofar applicable, articles are already in Category:Films about ballet. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:12, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per the above.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 08:47, 21 May 2022 (UTC)


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Songs about happiness

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:35, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting Category:Songs about happiness‎
 * Propose deleting Category:Songs about hope
 * Propose deleting Category:Songs about laughter
 * Propose deleting Category:Songs about smiling
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, trivial song themes that are hardly ever discussed in reliable sources for individual songs. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:19, 20 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. These entries are brought together in these categories because of WP:SHAREDNAME and I have a perfect example, Cry Now, Laugh Later, which is absolutely silent in the text regarding the lyrics is added to both  Category:Songs about crying and Category:Songs about laughter.  FWIW, Every song in the laughing category, has the word laugh in the title, except for one italian title which is about clowns, and 'the show must go on.' None of those I looked at mentioned the lyrics were about laughing. So much WP:OR, failure of WP:CATDEF etc. If any editor had the patience these categories could be emptied by applying WP:OVERCATEGORISATION. --Richhoncho (talk) 08:41, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete all, vague and subjective, all songs were thrown in here by basis of the title. It's not a defining characteristic of any of them. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 18:30, 22 May 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Political comic strips
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Category:Indian musician templates

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 * The result of the discussion was: soft delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:36, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Indian musician templates to Category:Indian musicians templates
 * Nominator's rationale: Duplicate, musicians seems to be the standard format Le Deluge (talk) 14:51, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * all the pages in the cat are not templates, but in mainspace. I was about to remove them all, but will not for now since we are at CfD. Happy Editing-- IAm Chaos  04:09, 22 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Commment This category has already been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 01:28, 23 May 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Continents by religion

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 00:01, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting european christians
 * Propose deleting european catholics
 * Propose deleting european hindus
 * Propose deleting european muslims
 * Propose deleting european buddhists
 * Propose deleting european jews
 * Propose deleting north american muslims
 * Propose deleting north american buddhists
 * Propose deleting north american jews
 * Propose deleting north american hindus
 * Propose deleting north american christians
 * Propose deleting north american animists
 * Propose deleting oceanian jews
 * Propose deleting oceanian hindus
 * Propose deleting oceanian christians
 * Propose deleting oceanian buddhists
 * Propose deleting south american muslims
 * Propose deleting south american jews
 * Propose deleting south american hindus
 * Propose deleting south american christians
 * Propose deleting south american buddhists
 * Propose deleting asian muslims
 * Propose deleting asian jews
 * Propose deleting asian hindus
 * Propose deleting asian christians
 * Propose deleting asian buddhists
 * Propose deleting asian animists
 * Propose deleting african muslims
 * Propose deleting african jews
 * Propose deleting african hindus
 * Propose deleting african christians
 * Propose deleting african buddhists
 * Propose deleting african animists
 * Nominator's rationale: Grouping of nationalities is bogus. Are all Russian Catholics European? Might some of them not be Asian? Continents are places; nations are about identity or DNA. The two should not be conflated. The "by nationality" tree structure is quite adequate; it does not need to be rounded off by a bogus hierarchy. Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:02, 20 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose: I suspect the nominator is confusing the legal concept of nationality with that of nationhood. This is a very natural way of grouping together the religion-by-nationality categories. There is nothing remotely controversial about the fact that countries are located on particular continents. –Ploni (talk) 13:10, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose as grouping by continent makes sense. The categories I looked at were mostly container categories with per-country religion articles. Some of these are very large categories, occupying a significant node in the category tree so this is more complex than straight up deletion even if this passes, which in my opinion it should not.-- Mvqr (talk) 11:26, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep -- These are harmless container categories, which can be useful for navigating. Russia presumably belongs in both Europe and Asia categories.  These will largely be about location, not nationality.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:59, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment These categories are grouping by continent, not nationality...unless you are actually concerned with the child categories contained in the ones you would like deleted. I generally am an inclusionist and a minority voice when I participate in these CFD discussions but, at worst, these categories might be unnecessary but I don't think they are harmful or confusing to editors or readers who might utilize them. I think if we are to be complete, there are some missing categories in this category tree though. Liz Read! Talk! 01:36, 23 May 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Single Top 100 number-one singles

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:43, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Single Top 100 number-one singles to Category:Dutch Single Top 100 number-one singles
 * Nominator's rationale: Ambiguous name. Match with main article Dutch Single Top 100. — Ætoms  [talk] 13:48, 20 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete and listify -- We do not (I think) allow categories for winners; certainly, that is very close to the concept of an award category. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:02, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per Peterkingiron. We have deleted many similar categories in the past. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:12, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. There are a number of similar categories that should share the same fate. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 03:50, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Given the support for the deletion of this category, shouldn't all other categories related to topping any record chart be deleted as well? I see that albums have not had these categories for a while now. ThedancingMOONpolice (talk) 06:18, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * A number of other similar categories were deleted per this CfD nearly a year and a half ago. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 07:57, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
 * None of those charts were considered the "main" chart, like this one or the Billboard Hot 100. It would be weird for only this category to be deleted instead of either leaving it or removing them altogether like for albums. ThedancingMOONpolice (talk) 20:49, 3 June 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Animals in human culture

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Animals in culture. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 00:30, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Animals in human culture to Category:Animals in culture
 * Nominator's rationale: Is there a non-human culture that necessitates such a name? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 10:13, 20 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Support. Well, there are non-human cultures, but I agree that this is an unnecessary level of precision, especially since the subcategories are named "X in culture". –&#8239;Joe (talk) 11:14, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Support speedy rename per WP:C2C This did not require a discussion, as an uncontroversial move. However, I am wondering whether all such "in culture" categories really need to exist. Was there a need to combine mythology and pop culture? It seems to have been a completely unilateral decision to make them by User:Invokingvajras. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:03, 25 May 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Modeling and simulation

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:51, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Modeling and simulation to Category:Simulation
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, this is follow-up on this earlier discussion that was closed as no consensus. Meanwhile I have created Category:Military simulation which contains the larger amount of articles that were formerly in Category:Modeling and simulation, so I am assuming that the merger is now uncontroversial. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:53, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * pinging contributors to earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:55, 20 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Support, with thanks to Marcocapelle. I looked at the linked categories in other-language Wikipedias (see https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q8637062), as I sometimes feel a responsibility to sort out messes that were copied from English Wikipedia; they could perhaps also be merged likewise if anyone is interested in doing so, without needing a similar split, as they do not contain mainly military-related content. – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:27, 21 May 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Siege of Chernihiv

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge as proposed. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 23:53, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Siege of Chernihiv to Category:Kyiv offensive (2022) and Category:History of Chernihiv
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, only three articles in the category which are already interlinked directly. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 20 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Support it's over and won't grow. Best kept in the offensive category for completeness. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:15, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge -- The current structure has 4 theatres of war, of which the first target is one. We will probably not get more articles to make it up to the normal minimum of 5.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:05, 22 May 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Fictional bikers

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete.  ✗  plicit  03:45, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting fictional bikers
 * Nominator's rationale: In most if not all cases demonstrated in this category, being a biker is not defining. Cloud Strife is not known specifically for being a biker, and neither is Sirius Black or Tank Girl. Ghost Rider could be relocated to Category:Fictional drivers but I don't see any others potentially in need of merge. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:56, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep but trim - definitely has multiple defining entries such as Makoto Niijima, Clay Morrow, GoGo Tomago, and Fonzie, alongside Ghost Rider as mentioned earlier. Also, a decent of Cloud Strife's imagery does focus on his bike, (with an entire spin-off game, Final Fantasy VII G-Bike, focused on it). Even without Cloud in there, the category still makes sense. (Oinkers42) (talk) 23:52, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  06:23, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, not a defining characteristic, none of the articles Makoto Niijima, Clay Morrow, GoGo Tomago, and Fonzie highlights this as a main feature of the character. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:47, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete as non-defining. &#8213;  Qwerfjkl talk  20:50, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, per above. Although Sirius Black has a motorbike, it is not a defining characteristic. Sahaib (talk) 08:07, 27 June 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Anglican church buildings in Canada
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