Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 November 17



Alabama Collegiate Conference football

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:46, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Southern States Conference football to Category:Alabama Collegiate Conference football
 * Propose renaming Category:Southern States Conference football seasons to Category:Alabama Collegiate Conference football seasons
 * Propose renaming Category:Southern States Conference football champion seasons to Category:Alabama Collegiate Conference football champion seasons


 * Nominator's rationale: The Southern States Conference was known as Alabama Collegiate Conference in 1969, the last year in which the conference sponsored football. It was not rebranded to "Southern States Conference" until 1972. Jweiss11 (talk) 23:16, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, as categories' creator – makes sense, and it aligns with WP:CFB naming conventions. SportsGuy789 (talk) 01:33, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom and creator above. PCN02WPS  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 18:22, 21 November 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Governors of Egypt
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 November 25%23Category:Governors of Egypt

Category:GAA people by province

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:47, 25 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming for disambiguation and to match titles with contents.
 * Category:GAA people by province to Category:Gaelic games players by province :Category:Gaelic games people by province
 * Category:GAA people from Connacht to Category:Gaelic games players from Connacht :Category:Gaelic games people from Connacht
 * Category:GAA people from Leinster to Category:Gaelic games players from Leinster :Category:Gaelic games people from Leinster
 * Category:GAA people from Munster to Category:Gaelic games players from Munster :Category:Gaelic games people from Munster
 * Category:GAA people from Ulster to Category:Gaelic games players from Ulster :Category:Gaelic games people from Ulster
 * Category:GAA people by county to Category:Gaelic games players by county :Category:Gaelic games people by county
 * Category:GAA people from County Antrim to Category:Gaelic games players from County Antrim :Category:Gaelic games people from County Antrim
 * Category:GAA people from County Armagh to Category:Gaelic games players from County Armagh :Category:Gaelic games people from County Armagh
 * Category:GAA people from County Carlow to Category:Gaelic games players from County Carlow :Category:Gaelic games people from County Carlow
 * Category:GAA people from County Cavan to Category:Gaelic games players from County Cavan :Category:Gaelic games people from County Cavan
 * Category:GAA people from County Clare to Category:Gaelic games players from County Clare :Category:Gaelic games people from County Clare
 * Category:GAA people from County Cork to Category:Gaelic games players from County Cork :Category:Gaelic games people from County Cork
 * Category:GAA people from County Londonderry to Category:Gaelic games players from County Londonderry :Category:Gaelic games people from County Londonderry
 * Category:GAA people from County Donegal to Category:Gaelic games players from County Donegal :Category:Gaelic games people from County Donegal
 * Category:GAA people from County Down to Category:Gaelic games players from County Down :Category:Gaelic games people from County Down
 * Category:GAA people from County Dublin to Category:Gaelic games players from County Dublin :Category:Gaelic games people from County Dublin
 * Category:GAA people from County Fermanagh to Category:Gaelic games players from County Fermanagh :Category:Gaelic games people from County Fermanagh
 * Category:GAA people from County Galway to Category:Gaelic games players from County Galway :Category:Gaelic games people from County Galway
 * Category:GAA people from County Kerry to Category:Gaelic games players from County Kerry :Category:Gaelic games people from County Kerry
 * Category:GAA people from County Kildare to Category:Gaelic games players from County Kildare :Category:Gaelic games people from County Kildare
 * Category:GAA people from County Kilkenny to Category:Gaelic games players from County Kilkenny :Category:Gaelic games people from County Kilkenny
 * Category:GAA people from County Laois to Category:Gaelic games players from County Laois :Category:Gaelic games people from County Laois
 * Category:GAA people from County Leitrim to Category:Gaelic games players from County Leitrim :Category:Gaelic games people from County Leitrim
 * Category:GAA people from County Limerick to Category:Gaelic games players from County Limerick :Category:Gaelic games people from County Limerick
 * Category:GAA people from London to Category:Gaelic games players from London :Category:Gaelic games people from London
 * Category:GAA people from County Longford to Category:Gaelic games players from County Longford :Category:Gaelic games people from County Longford
 * Category:GAA people from County Louth to Category:Gaelic games players from County Louth :Category:Gaelic games people from County Louth
 * Category:GAA people from County Mayo to Category:Gaelic games players from County Mayo :Category:Gaelic games people from County Mayo
 * Category:GAA people from County Meath to Category:Gaelic games players from County Meath :Category:Gaelic games people from County Meath
 * Category:GAA people from County Monaghan to Category:Gaelic games players from County Monaghan :Category:Gaelic games people from County Monaghan
 * Category:GAA people from County Offaly to Category:Gaelic games players from County Offaly :Category:Gaelic games people from County Offaly
 * Category:GAA people from County Roscommon to Category:Gaelic games players from County Roscommon :Category:Gaelic games people from County Roscommon
 * Category:GAA people from County Sligo to Category:Gaelic games players from County Sligo :Category:Gaelic games people from County Sligo
 * Category:GAA people from County Tipperary to Category:Gaelic games players from County Tipperary :Category:Gaelic games people from County Tipperary
 * Category:GAA people from County Tyrone to Category:Gaelic games players from County Tyrone :Category:Gaelic games people from County Tyrone
 * Category:GAA people from County Waterford to Category:Gaelic games players from County Waterford :Category:Gaelic games people from County Waterford
 * Category:GAA people from County Westmeath to Category:Gaelic games players from County Westmeath :Category:Gaelic games people from County Westmeath
 * Category:GAA people from County Wexford to Category:Gaelic games players from County Wexford :Category:Gaelic games people from County Wexford
 * Category:GAA people from County Wicklow to Category:Gaelic games players from County Wicklow :Category:Gaelic games people from County Wicklow

Nominator's rationale: There appears to me to be confusion here (either in the category name or the contents) between the sports (Gaelic games) and one of the governing bodies (the Gaelic Athletic Association). "GAA" is a redirect disambiguation page. The two relevant options there are Gaelic Athletic Association (governing body) and Gaelic football (sport). If it is Gaelic football then the hurling categories are misplaced. If it is the Gaelic Athletic Association (which I'm guessing it is) then lots of other categories are misplaced.


 * Some examples:
 * Category:GAA people from County Mayo contains Gaelic footballers, hurlers and Aileen Gilroy (a professional Australian rules player whose closest involvement is playing for the Mayo county ladies' football team, which is a member of the Ladies' Gaelic Football Association, separate from the GAA).


 * Category:GAA people from County Westmeath contains Gaelic footballers, hurlers and Aileen Lawlor (a president of the Camogie Association, not the GAA).


 * Category:GAA people from County Offaly contains Miriam O'Callaghan (camogie) and Category:Offaly camogie players (the Camogie Association organises camogie, not the GAA).


 * Category:GAA people from County Kerry contains Gaelic footballers, hurlers and Mícheál Ó Muircheartaigh (a Gaelic games radio and TV commentator).


 * Category:GAA people from County Cork is particularly varied and contains Gaelic footballers, hurlers, various non-playing administrators (such as Frank Murphy), referees, managers (such as Peter Creedon in football and Michael O'Brien in hurling), Joe McGrath (a coach) and at least one more Camogie Association president (Joan O'Flynn), as well as the contents of Category:Cork camogie players (camogie is organised by the Camogie Association).


 * Category:GAA people from County Cavan contains Gaelic footballers and Agnes O'Farrelly (another president of the Camogie Association).


 * Category:GAA people from County Galway contains another Camogie Association president Elizabeth Burke-Plunkett, various referees, manager Cyril Farrell, the contents of Category:Galway camogie players, etc.

The people in the categories have only one thing in common, their involvement in Gaelic games, whether it is as players, managers, coaches, referees, administrators, commentators or other.

The name of the sport is used in similar category titles, e.g. Category:Sportspeople from County Dublin has Category:Cricketers from County Dublin, Category:Association footballers from County Dublin, Category:Field hockey players from County Dublin, Category:Rugby league players from County Dublin and Category:Rugby union players from County Dublin, with Category:GAA people from County Dublin standing out as focusing on the organisation and not the sports. So "Category:Gaelic games people from" would make sense and prevent the need for "Camogie Association people from..." or "Ladies' Gaelic Football Association people from..." which would contain much fewer articles anyway. Besides there is no "Category:IRFU people from..." (there isn't even a Category:Irish Rugby Football Union). "GAA" is also a redirect disambiguation page. Gaelic games is clearer. To all. --Gaois (talk) 19:42, 1 November 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  17:50, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: no objection, but pinging BrownHairedGirl in view of her previous activity around this topic, in case she may be aware of any adverse implications. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:45, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  18:27, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment I have left a note at the relevant WikiProject: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Gaelic games. Hopefully that should help generate more discussion here (as there's only been 2 comments in 2 weeks). I am not personally voting, as I have zero subject knowledge. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:59, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment Please define "GAA people". It seems to include anybody with a passing interest or vague connection to the GAA. The problem is that the other sports cited (Category:Cricketers from County Dublin, Category:Association footballers from County Dublin) are all concerned with active players in those sports whereas your proposal would seem to include people for whom the GAA connection was merely tangential or not personally defining. That does not seem like a good thing to do. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:30, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * You appear to misunderstand the proposal? The "GAA people" categories already exist and seem to have existed for many years. They are not being created by the proposal.
 * The contents are already in the categories.
 * Hence this proposal. The proposal is an attempt to address the ambiguity, to swap "GAA" (a disambiguation page, with various meanings internationally) for the clearer "Gaelic games".
 * The problems described exist already. The categories already seem to contain "people for whom the GAA connection was merely tangential or not personally defining". Adding or subtracting a person to or from a county isn't part of the proposal.
 * I tried to simplify it by describing the existing categories and their contents. As removing contents from the categories didn't seem like a good idea. --Gaois (talk) 23:03, 20 November 2022 (UTC)


 * That is a sensible comment. The categories should be split to Gaelic footballers and hurlers, and purged from non-players. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:51, 19 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I agree they should be purged of non-players. There are not that many and this shouldn't be difficult. I didn't want to make this proposal any longer than it was. But since the issue has been raised... I agree.
 * Yet even if/when they are purged of non-players, the problem identified in the proposal remains. The camogie players are also... players. And they are overseen by the Camogie Association. Not the GAA. And the ladies' Gaelic footballers play too. They are attached to the Ladies' Gaelic Football Association. Hence the unsuitability of "GAA" (disambiguation) and "Gaelic Athletic Association" (not all of the players fit).
 * It sounds like the word "people" in the proposal should be swapped for "players", so that the categories should be retitled "Gaelic games players from"....? That title would cover every player (camogie/hurling/football/men/women) and is similar to Category:Field hockey players from County Dublin, Category:Rugby union players from County Dublin. It also allows the non-players (who are already in the categories) to be purged.
 * So, for example, Category:Gaelic games players from County Antrim, Category:Gaelic games players from Connacht. Are there any objections to this proposal? --Gaois (talk) 23:04, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * You seem to be pointing towards a re-name of Category:Gaelic games players from County Antrim which I could support. That, however, is not your nomination. Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:04, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes. I will update the nomination. --Gaois (talk) 17:48, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Support updated nomination per recent discussion above. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:47, 24 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Support updated nomination per recent discussion above. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:44, 24 November 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Ottoman architecture in Algeria and Tunisia

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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:56, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Ottoman architecture in Algeria to Category:Architecture of Ottoman Algeria
 * Propose renaming Category:Ottoman architecture in Tunisia to Category:Architecture of Ottoman Tunisia
 * Nominator's rationale: Per a discussion at Category talk:Moorish architecture. The architecture in both Algeria and Tunisia during this period is a diverse hybrid of styles that is not easily categorized as just one thing. Bundling these under "Ottoman architecture" might be ok in a superficial geopolitical sense, but this wording implies they are "Ottoman" in style, which is overly simplistic and rather misleading when comparing to what's said by reliable references that cover these topics (e.g. Marçais 1954 p. 423 and after, Bloom & Blair 1995 p. 251 and after, Bloom 2020 p. 215 and after). This is already summarized (using these sources) at the relevant articles Architecture of Algeria and Architecture of Tunisia. In some cases, the buildings built by local "Ottoman" elites don't look much like imperial Ottoman architecture and are not described as such by sources. The de facto independence of both countries in later periods also complicates the label even if taken in a strictly political sense. The categories themselves are still needed, and should be embedded under their current parent categories, but changing it to "Architecture of (...)" affords a more neutral wording that avoids implying a narrower stylistic classification. R Prazeres (talk) 02:14, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  17:58, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Question, why is this nomination limited to only Algeria and Tunisia? There are many other countries using the same format where inclusion of articles is not limited to the style of Classical Ottoman architecture. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Marcocapelle: Valid question and I leave that open for the future. I limited my proposal to these for now because I want to address these two cases which share a roughly similar situation, whose architecture during this period can continue to be classified as a variation of "Moorish architecture" in particular, and which are discussed together this way in scholarly references. If the change would also be useful for other cases, that could be discussed. Almost the same argument could probably be repeated about Ottoman architecture in Libya, though there's a lot less information about it so it would take more reading. I think a similar argument could also be made for regions like Syria and Egypt, where earlier Mamluk and Levantine architecture remained entrenched (with some notable exceptions however that are very Ottoman in character). Algeria and Tunisia are basically at one end of the spectrum in terms of how limited Ottoman influence was on material culture (among Ottoman provinces); obviously Turkey and most of the Balkan provinces would be at the other end, so I imagine renaming those would be more objectionable. R Prazeres (talk) 06:29, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose using different formats for different countries while the situation is the same everywhere: the categories are based on belonging to the Ottoman Empire at the time of building, not to any particular style. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:20, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The situation is not the same everywhere and Ottoman architecture refers to a style. M.Bitton (talk) 14:51, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * "The situation is the same everywhere" directly contradicts any relevant reliable source on either Ottoman or North African architecture. I get the appeal of maintaining symmetry, but I don't see a reason to prioritize format over precision and informativeness. Unlike article titles, category names appear in articles with no explanation, so regardless of whether we argue that it should or shouldn't refer to style in particular, for common-sense readers "Ottoman architecture in (...)" is ambiguous at best and misleading at worse in this context. R Prazeres (talk) 22:47, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. M.Bitton (talk)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  18:24, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The situation is the same in other countries. E.g. in Hungary none of the five articles claims the building is in Ottoman style, they all claim to be from the Ottoman era. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:52, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * According to the sources, you're comparing apples to oranges. M.Bitton (talk) 01:15, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * In which respect? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:39, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


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Category:Citizens through descent

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 * The result of the discussion was: manual partial merge/purge. I will list these at WP:CFDWM for follow-up. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:03, 16 December 2022 (UTC) – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:03, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting
 * citizens through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Albania through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Algeria through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Angola through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Antigua and Barbuda through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Argentina through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Armenia through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Australia through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Azerbaijan through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Benin through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Bosnia and Herzegovina through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Bulgaria through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Burkina Faso through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Cameroon through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Canada through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Cape Verde through descent
 * Category:Citizens of the Central African Republic through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Chile through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Comoros through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Croatia through descent
 * Category:Citizens of the Democratic Republic of the Congo through descent
 * Category:Citizens of the Dominican Republic through descent
 * Category:Citizens of El Salvador through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Equatorial Guinea through descent
 * Category:Citizens of France through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Germany through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Ghana through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Greece through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Guinea through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Guinea-Bissau through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Guyana through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Haiti through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Iraq through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Ireland through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Italy through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Ivory Coast through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Jamaica through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Japan through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Lebanon through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Malaysia through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Mali through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Mauritania through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Mexico through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Morocco through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Nigeria through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Pakistan through descent
 * Category:Citizens of the State of Palestine through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Paraguay through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Peru through descent
 * Category:Citizens of the Philippines through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Poland through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Portugal through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Saint Kitts and Nevis through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Senegal through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Spain through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Togo through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Trinidad and Tobago through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Tunisia through descent
 * Category:Citizens of Turkey through descent
 * Category:Citizens of the United Kingdom through descent
 * Category:Citizens of the United States through descent
 * Nominator's rationale: Appears to be WP:NONDEF and WP:OVERLAPCAT with Category:People by nationality. Descent is the primary way of acquiring citizenship and for some countries over 90% of biographies would fit into it, cluttering the categorization. Brandmeistertalk  14:51, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  17:47, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The scope is not the same as "People by nationality". Category:Citizens of Italy through descent, for example, is a subcat of Category:People with acquired Italian citizenship. It's for foreigners who later acquired Italian citizenship through ancestry, not for people born as Italian citizens. Nehme1499</b> 15:35, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, but the current category name is confusing as it also technically includes persons who became citizens in a normal way, that is through descent of their parents and being born in a given country. Perhaps a better name exists. Brandmeistertalk  22:12, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Procedural oppose, this is a container category, it does not solve anything when it is deleted while the subcategories are kept. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:44, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The subcategories have also been tagged accordingly. Brandmeistertalk  22:12, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
 * you should also list them here in the top of the nomination (in the form, e.g.: Category:Citizens of Italy through descent to Category:People with acquired Italian citizenship), that is a requirement for the bot to process the merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:57, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge, e.g. merge Category:Citizens of Italy through descent to Category:People with acquired Italian citizenship, how people acquired citizenship is a matter of hairsplitting. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:41, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: I previously closed this discussion as merge. That has been reverted per User talk:Qwerfjkl. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  16:46, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge back to the category for citizens of the country in question. A little sampling of the British category indicates that is is about people born elsewhere to British parents.  Such persons are automatically British by birth, though they may also be nationals of the country where they were born.  They are as British as I am, who was born in England to English parents.  I am prepared to believe there may be more formalities in other countries, and particularly where the claim to nationality is through a single grandparent.  This is a quite different process from citizenship by naturalisation.  Possibly, we might make this British citizens born to a British parent abroad, but it is much better not to have it as a separate category.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:43, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment If this category gets deleted/merged, so should Category:Naturalized citizens by country (the only other subcat) for the same reason. A single category (Category:People with acquired citizenship) is probably enough. <b style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:80%;color:#000080">Nehme</b><b style="font-family:Verdana;font-size:80%;color:#27B382">1499</b> 16:59, 17 November 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qwerfjkl (talk • contribs)
 * Merge per User:Marcocapelle and User:Peterkingiron. This is an unnecessary split.User:Namiba 17:23, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @Namiba, note that, per the discussion I linked in my relist, Peterkington and Marcocapelle are proposing different merge targets.<span id="Qwerfjkl:1668706512217:WikipediaFTTCLNCategories_for_discussion/Log/2022_November_17" class="FTTCmt"> — Qwerfjkl  talk  17:35, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge to Marcocapelle's target. The two categories seem very simillar. — PerfectSoundWhatever  (t; c) 20:43, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Split Having seen the previous close and looking into the !votes beforehand, it is apparent that there are two categories of articles included: 1. the people covered by the original merge suggestion, people who did not have a birthright citizenship but had significant ancestry to later acquire it, and 2. people who did have a birthright citizenship, but were born outside of the country in question. If there are no Category:Citizens of X born abroad or, simply, Category:Citizens of X by birthright (as a clearer term than "descent"), set of categories (and I haven't found them), then these should be created and the articles included in the current categories need to be manually checked. I, and Peterkingiron above, took samples and found more articles that belong to the non-existent categories. A simple merge to "acquired" re-categorises all of these into new targets to which they don't belong and is a bit careless. If it helps, it could take me a while at the moment, but I'd be happy to look through the articles myself. Kingsif (talk) 22:51, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * If the categories contain a mix of two sorts of people then I agree that it should be a selective merge. That should be sorted out manually then. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:25, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * With respect to Peterkingiron's merge back suggestion, I suspect, if people do not belong in the acquired citizenship category, that they were not moved from anywhere else in the category tree. In other words, I suspect there is no "back" and no target. So in that case we can just purge. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:24, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge (and purge as necessary) per Marcocapelle.<span id="Qwerfjkl:1669660581239:WikipediaFTTCLNCategories_for_discussion/Log/2022_November_17" class="FTTCmt"> — Qwerfjkl  talk  18:36, 28 November 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Independence League
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 November 25%23Category:Independence League

Category:WikiProject Villages members
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:58, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikiproject villages members
 * Nominator's rationale: WikiProject is now defunct. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 16:12, 17 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:26, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. — Mugtheboss (talk) 18:37, 25 November 2022 (UTC)


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Category:International bodies of Reformed denominations (currently existing)
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:58, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:International bodies of Reformed denominations (currently existing) to Category:International bodies of Reformed denominations
 * Nominator's rationale: If it would be helpful to distinguish current and former, then the way we do it is to create a sub-cat for "Former…", not a sibling for "current". – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:26, 17 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 16:12, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:15, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Support Current/former distinctions are discouraged. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:46, 22 November 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Tunisian writers in Arabic
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 * The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:59, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose manually merging Category:Tunisian writers in Arabic to Category:Tunisian writers
 * Propose manually merging Category:Arabic-language writers from Saudi Arabia to Category:Saudi Arabian writers
 * Nominator's rationale: Manual merge, dispersing the contents to / or appropriate sub-categories thereof. Only countries outside the Arab world need sub-cats for Category:Arabic-language writers by nationality. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:14, 17 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:16, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge There is no point in having categories for writers using the majority language of their own country. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:47, 22 November 2022 (UTC)


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Writers by nationality and language
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  21:00, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:French writers by language to Category:French writers
 * Propose merging Category:Italian writers by language to Category:Italian writers
 * Propose merging Category:Saudi Arabian writers by language to Category:Saudi Arabian writers
 * Nominator's rationale: Two of these hold only one sub-category, making them unnecessary for navigation. If the above merge for writers in Arabic is carried, then this will also be true for the Saudi category. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:22, 17 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:17, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Question - Regarding Category:French writersCategory:Italian writers, are these for writers from those country or for writers using that language? <span style="font-family:Futura,'Century Gothic','Trebuchet MS',serif;"><b style="color:#1974D2;">Senator2029</b> <b style="color:#1974D2;">【talk】</b> 07:46, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * From the country. Why so? Marcocapelle (talk) 07:34, 21 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Merge -- This is about how we parent French writers in Latin; Italian writers in Latin; and Saudi writers in English. Those using the majority language of their own country should not have a category for that.  Writing in another language is worthy of note (and thus a category), but we are unlikely to get a population of 5 languages to avoid SMALLCAT, so that eliminating this level is the best solution.  Peterkingiron (talk) 22:56, 22 November 2022 (UTC)


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Astronomical objects by source of name
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 * The result of the discussion was: comment merged to other discussion. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:45, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting minor planets named from mythology
 * Nominator's rationale: Your reason(s) for the proposed deletion. Darque Fyre (talk) 09:47, 17 November 2022 (UTC) I find these incredibly helpful in their current format. Please do not remove them.


 * This is being discussed somewhere else. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:24, 17 November 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Sexual affairs in the Evangelical Church
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Category:Almoravid literature
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  21:00, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting almoravid literature
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Merging is not needed, the subcategory is already part of Category:Scholars under the Almoravid dynasty and Category:Writers of the medieval Islamic world. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:28, 17 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 16:12, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. — Mugtheboss (talk) 18:42, 25 November 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Horses in mythology
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Category:Ball culture filmmakers
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  21:00, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting ball culture filmmakers
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT for a non-defining intersection of traits. "Ball culture" is not a genre of film per se; it's merely a subject that a couple of documentary films happen to have been about, and thus "ball culture filmmaker" is not a centrally defining trait of the films' directors. This is, rather, somewhere in the suburbs of a WP:PERFCAT violation: it's "filmmakers who happen to have made films about a topic", not "filmmakers who specialize in a specific genre". Bearcat (talk) 01:01, 17 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:59, 17 November 2022 (UTC)


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