Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 November 25



Category:Horses in mythology
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Category:Sexual affairs in the Evangelical Church
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More Eton College categories

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 * The result of the discussion was: upmerge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  08:28, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Upmerge the following to Category:People educated at Eton College:
 * Category:Teachers at Eton College educated at Eton College and upmerge to Category:Teachers at Eton College
 * Category:Provosts of Eton College educated at Eton College and upmerge to Category:Provosts of Eton College
 * Rationale - following the precedent at 2022 November 6#Category:Head Masters of Eton College educated at Eton. Similar recent upmerges: 2022 November 3#Category:Royalty educated at Eton College, 2022 October 26#Category:Racehorse trainers educated at Eton College and 2022 October 27#Harrow School. (All the above were created and populated by user:Rathfelder.) Oculi (talk) 22:53, 25 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Support as nominator. Oculi (talk) 22:53, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:00, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Timrollpickering (talk) 17:42, 26 November 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Soviet Ukrainians

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  08:33, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Soviet Ukrainians to Category:Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic people
 * Nominator's rationale: merge, the category was created as a result of this earlier discussion, but it seems to coincide with an older existing category. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:37, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * pinging contributors to previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:06, 26 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Support That is probably a good solution, but it may be necessary to purge those who always lived in Russia, but happened to have a Ukrainian parent, without having Ukrainian as an internal nationality within USSR. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:26, 27 November 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Tension (hardcore band)

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  08:35, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting tension (hardcore band)
 * Nominator's rationale: With only one subcategory with two articles (and a redirect), this group doesn't need an eponymous category. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 21:32, 25 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:44, 26 November 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Independence League

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  08:40, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting independence league
 * Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT –Aidan721 (talk) 16:10, 17 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete I find no evidence that an Independence League actually exists. The only article in this category was affiliated with the Expedition League and Independence League refers to a political party.--User:Namiba 17:30, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment The league exists, but it doesn't have a Wikipedia article. When I google "Independence League", the first result is Independence League Baseball, which is apparently the name they settled on after their initial announcement. -- Pemilligan (talk) 00:58, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  20:58, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Per WP:SMALLCAT, I believe baseball league categories "are part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme" and that this category "does have realistic potential for growth" in that the league and seven of its eight teams lack articles presently. -- Pemilligan (talk) 01:16, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Support but merge to parent categories . The smallcat exception rule does not apply here, all parent categories contain articles directly in it so there is no large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:56, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Is it part of the definition of a sub-categorization scheme that parent categories don't contain articles? Where is this definition? It's something I haven't heard of before. -- Pemilligan (talk) 18:09, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The smallcat exception rule does not refer to any sort of subcategorization but only to large established schemes. By implication you would then have no articles in the parent category. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:57, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Is there more to "by implication" than your own reasoning? It sounds more like an opinion than a definition. -- Pemilligan (talk) 00:11, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * "Large" is not a matter of opinion and does not require a definition. 10 subcategories versus 57 stand-alone articles is certainly not large. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:30, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * "Large" was not the question; "By implication you would then have no articles in the parent category" is what I'm asking about. I don't draw the inference that you do. That sounds like your opinion. -- Pemilligan (talk) 18:34, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * This is hairsplitting. The question at stake is whether a large established scheme applies. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:52, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment The only current article is for a team in the league, while all the parent categories are for leagues, so wouldn't "merge to parent categories" just mean "delete"? -- Pemilligan (talk) 18:09, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
 * You are right, I will strike my earlier merge comment. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:15, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete -- The team listed is an amateur team, so that it ought not to have an article. That article should be deleted, which will leave this empty.  PLease AFD the article.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:29, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Why shouldn't an amateur baseball team have an article? And would you delete the other roughly 200 such articles? -- Pemilligan (talk) 02:39, 1 December 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Governors of Egypt

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 * The result of the discussion was: split (to Category:Governors of governorates of Egypt). (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  08:47, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose splitting Category:Governors of Egypt to Category:Governors of Egypt and Category:Governors of governorates in Egypt
 * Nominator's rationale: split, the larger part of subcategories does not concern governors of the whole of Egypt but of governorates. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment: second target? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  21:12, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - per nom. Oculi (talk) 12:02, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Support but the second target might be Category:Governors in Egypt, with a headnote explaining that it relates to the heads of governorates. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:20, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  20:46, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * With the alternative, the names of the categories would become too similar. I still prefer the original nomination for that reason. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:10, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Split but to Category:Governors of governorates of Egypt using "of" like  Category:Governorates of Egypt. It's clunky but it's clear, and fits with most siblings in Category:Governors and heads of sub-national entities by country. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:03, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * (as nom) I'd be equally fine with this alternative. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:13, 1 December 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Bay Area Rationalists

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  08:43, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting bay area rationalists
 * Nominator's rationale: There doesn't appear to be a standalone article on it. Bay Area Rationalism redirects to LessWrong, but there's no mention of it in the article. Brandmeistertalk  15:44, 25 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:NONDEF. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:50, 26 November 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Star Magic Batch 1-21
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Category:American settlers

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  08:45, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:American settlers to Category:Settlers of the United States
 * Nominator's rationale: To match the norm established at Category:Settlers, i.e. Category:Settlers of Canada and Category:Settlers of Australia. User:Namiba 14:10, 25 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Weak oppose, American settlers seems to be an established term. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:55, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep -- This is essentially a disambiguation page. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:31, 27 November 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Vancity

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  08:45, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting vancity
 * Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, only two articles in the category. They are directly interlinked. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:51, 25 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete -- The content is an article on a Credit Union, with a bio of a director.  This is not enough to make a useful category.  Vancity is well categorised, so that no merger is needed.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:34, 27 November 2022 (UTC)


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