Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 October 13



Category:Chinese theologians

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Chinese Christian theologians. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:09, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Chinese theologians to Category:Sino-Christian theologians
 * Nominator's rationale: The articles listed here are all associated with Christianity. None of them are associated with other religious traditions (unless you count Maoism or Confucianism as religions)FatalSubjectivities (talk) 11:54, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  19:54, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Wu Leichuan is not a Christian theologian. Make a subcat Category:Chinese Christian theologians per Category:Christian theologians by nationality and put the Christian ones in it. I would be astonished if there have been no theologians in China other than Christian ones - are there no Muslim or Buddhist ones? Oculi (talk) 12:26, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support in principle, but Category:Chinese Christian theologians may be a more natural name, also per WP:C2C. Wu Leichuan is also a Christian theologian. "Theologian" has been a term exclusively used in Christianity for a long time. Only recently Muslim scholars of Islam are also called "theologians". Outside Christianity and Islam the term is still rare. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:36, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Support Category:Chinese Christian theologians, given that all the member pages are about Christians; Wu Leichuan was a Confucian in his youth, but converted and became notable as a Christian theologian. Naturally, a parent category can be re-created if later there are pages about Chinese theologians other than Christians. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:44, 18 October 2022 (UTC)


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Category:LGBT poets

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 * The result of the discussion was: rename (option 2). Slight concensus over option 1, and in line with the discussion Fayneatic London mentioned. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:22, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:American LGBT poets to Category:LGBT poets from the United States
 * Propose renaming Category:Australian LGBT poets to Category:LGBT poets from Australia
 * Propose renaming Category:British LGBT poets to Category:LGBT poets from the United Kingdom
 * Propose renaming Category:Canadian LGBT poets to Category:LGBT poets from Canada
 * Propose renaming Category:English LGBT poets to Category:LGBT poets from England
 * Propose renaming Category:French LGBT poets to Category:LGBT poets from France
 * Propose renaming Category:Greek LGBT poets to Category:LGBT poets from Greece

OR


 * Propose renaming Category:LGBT poets from Germany to Category:German LGBT poets
 * Propose renaming Category:LGBT poets from Russia to Category:Russian LGBT poets
 * Propose renaming Category:LGBT poets from Scotland to Category:Scottish LGBT poets
 * Propose renaming Category:LGBT poets from Spain to Category:Spanish LGBT poets


 * Nominator's rationale: Some time ago, it was determined that was large enough to need diffusion by nationality, but the categories got created on two different naming conventions: some are "Nationality LGBT poets", and others are "LGBT poets from Country". The challenge here, further, is that this can't just be speedied on C2C grounds, as there are also conflicting conventions in play depending on which parent tree you want to follow: if you want to ride the "LGBT writers" track then that pushes you to "LGBT poets from Country", but if you want to walk down the "Nationality poets" path then you get to "Nationality LGBT poets". So there needs to be a consensus one way or the other on which parent convention these categories should follow, with one or the other of these two sets getting renamed accordingly. Bearcat (talk) 16:20, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  17:36, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Option 2 - 'from America' is out of sync with Category:American writers and Category:American people and is only used (for some reason) in the LGBT tree. Oculi (talk) 21:29, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Both options are an improvement over the status quo. Was there ever a specific reason to use "LGBT writers from Country" instead of "Nationality LGBT writers"? If not, option 2 is preferable and the writers should be nominated too. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:46, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It's all the way down from Category:LGBT people by nationality. I don't recall any attempts at cfd to address this anomaly. Oculi (talk) 07:41, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't recall that there ever was a specific reason to go with "LGBT people from X" instead of "Xian LGBT people" — if there was one, it's left my memory banks. Rather, it was much more likely just a byproduct of the fact that there was a lot less consistency about the "demonym" vs. "from country" issue 15 years ago than there is today. But like Oculi, I can remember no instances of anybody actually batching a CFD nomination to rename them, either — I think the possibility has been discussed once or twice, but nobody's ever actually tackled a comprehensive batch discussion that I can recall. Bearcat (talk) 12:48, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * While I think of it, a batch nomination is close to undoable in this case because it can not be semi-automated. In contrast to most batch nominations this is not a matter of consistently replacing one (set of) word(s) by another (set of) word(s). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:05, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Option 1, so it's clear what "Congolese" (DR Congo or Republic of the Congo) or "Dominican" (Dominica or the Dominican Republic) mean. I'm in favor of always doing this. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:31, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Bizarre - there is no or  (both are dabs) and none of the actual categories use 'from'. Oculi (talk) 10:58, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Option 2 to be consistent with the rest of the Category:People by nationality hierarchy. The guidelines at Category names specify this. "Congolese" and "Dominican" are not used because of ambiguity, but Category:Democratic Republic of the Congo people etc. "From" is used only in rare cases such as Georgia (country) and Saba (island) where we add a qualifier in parentheses, and for former countries with compound names such as Russian Empire. Only LGBT and Category:Twin people by nationality currently use "from" for all countries rather than the adjectival form, and these should be changed throughout. For those who support Option 1, I suggest opening an RfC to change the guideline, after which everything from the top down would be changed. Unless and until there is a change in consensus over that, there is no justification for LGBT or twins to have a different naming convention. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:55, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Option 1 Down with the tyranny of demonyms. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:27, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Surely "no consensus" would be the worst possible outcome of this discussion. Either of the two proposed options should be implemented. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:15, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: The discussion Fayenatic London linked to closed as rename as per nom i.e. using demonyms. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  19:53, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I have nominated the Twin people set at 2022 Oct 6 to use demonyms, which would leave only LGBT people categories as an outlier. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:31, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Option 2 in line with Category:American people. –Aidan721 (talk) 22:19, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Option 1 I must agree with Laurel Lodged! It's always better to use "from", so "down with the tyranny of demonyms". -- ౪ Santa ౪ 99°  23:03, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment in relation /support to my !vote. In mono-ethnic nation-states with significant minorities (East and South-East Europe, for instance), there is a chance to discriminate against citizens of Foo on ethnic basis, especially with editors with low sensibility for ethno-national identity. Such contributors could use category to categorize only main ethnicity of Foo whose ethnic name is the same as name of the nation-state (I had experience regarding List of Foo-an painters), while disregarding others, all the while including items that don't belong at all just because they are Foo-ans never-mind from where. This could pose a potentially significant reason for disputes and disruptions.-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99°  23:21, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Both - On the second thought I agree with Marcocapelle, we need both (my comment still stands as a cautionary note.)-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99°  23:42, 18 October 2022 (UTC)


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Category:People from Novosibirsk Oblast

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  18:15, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Zdvinsky District to Category:People from Novosibirsk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Vengerovsky District to Category:People from Novosibirsk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Ust-Tarksky District to Category:People from Novosibirsk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Toguchinsky District to Category:People from Novosibirsk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Ordynsky District to Category:People from Novosibirsk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Moshkovsky District to Category:People from Novosibirsk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Maslyaninsky District to Category:People from Novosibirsk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Krasnozyorsky District to Category:People from Novosibirsk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Kochkovsky District to Category:People from Novosibirsk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Karasuksky District to Category:People from Novosibirsk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Iskitim to Category:People from Novosibirsk Oblast)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Chulymsky District to Category:People from Novosibirsk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Chanovsky District to Category:People from Novosibirsk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Bolotninsky District to Category:People from Novosibirsk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Berdsk to Category:People from Novosibirsk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Barabinsk to Category:People from Novosibirsk Oblast
 * Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 in each Rathfelder (talk) 10:21, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Support for Now with no objection to recreating any that get to 5+ articles in the future. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:12, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Listify and merge – "notable people" sections should be added to the articles on the locations. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:32, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support = per previous similar cfds. Oculi (talk) 19:19, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. — Mugtheboss (talk) 14:19, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
 * These have now been listed. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:23, 5 November 2022 (UTC)


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Category:People from Novgorod Oblast

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:37, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Valdaysky District to Category:People from Novgorod Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Starorussky District to Category:People from Novgorod Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Soletsky District to Category:People from Novgorod Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Shimsky District to Category:People from Novgorod Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Pestovsky District to Category:People from Novgorod Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Novgorodsky District to Category:People from Novgorod Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Krestetsky District to Category:People from Novgorod Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Khvoyninsky District to Category:People from Novgorod Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Borovichsky District to Category:People from Novgorod Oblast
 * Nominator's rationale: only 1 or 2 articles in each Rathfelder (talk) 10:15, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Support for Now with no objection to recreating any that get to 5+ articles in the future. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:12, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Listify and merge as above. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:33, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support = per previous similar cfds. Oculi (talk) 19:22, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. — Mugtheboss (talk) 14:20, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
 * These have now been listed. Some were undocumented; I included these in good faith and left links to the original category edits in the edit summaries. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:29, 1 November 2022 (UTC)


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Category:People from North Ossetia–Alania

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:38, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Pravoberezhny District, North Ossetia–Alania to Category:People from North Ossetia–Alania
 * Propose merging Category:People from Kirovsky District, North Ossetia–Alania to Category:People from North Ossetia–Alania
 * Propose merging Category:People from Ardonsky District to Category:People from North Ossetia–Alania
 * Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 people in each Rathfelder (talk) 10:12, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Support for Now with no objection to recreating any that get to 5+ articles in the future. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:12, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Listify and merge as above. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:33, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support = per previous similar cfds. Oculi (talk) 19:22, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. — Mugtheboss (talk) 14:22, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
 * These have now been listed. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:51, 1 November 2022 (UTC)


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Category:People from Nizhny Novgorod Oblast

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:38, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Vetluga to Category:People from Nizhny Novgorod Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Vetluzhsky District to Category:People from Nizhny Novgorod Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Pilninsky District to Category:People from Nizhny Novgorod Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Pervomaysk, Nizhny Novgorod Oblast to Category:People from Nizhny Novgorod Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Perevoz, Nizhny Novgorod Oblast to Category:People from Nizhny Novgorod Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Perevozsky District to Category:People from Nizhny Novgorod Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Pavlovsky District, Nizhny Novgorod Oblast to Category:People from Nizhny Novgorod Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Lukoyanovsky District to Category:People from Nizhny Novgorod Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Kulebaksky District to Category:People from Nizhny Novgorod Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Kstovsky District to Category:People from Nizhny Novgorod Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Gorodetsky District to Category:People from Nizhny Novgorod Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Dalnekonstantinovsky District to Category:People from Nizhny Novgorod Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Bolshemurashkinsky District to Category:People from Nizhny Novgorod Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Arzamassky District to Category:People from Nizhny Novgorod Oblast
 * Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 articles in each Rathfelder (talk) 09:53, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Support for Now with no objection to recreating any that get to 5+ articles in the future. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:12, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Listify and merge as above. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:34, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support = per previous similar cfds. Oculi (talk) 19:22, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. — Mugtheboss (talk) 14:23, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I have now listed these in the articles. – Fayenatic  L ondon 23:47, 31 October 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Video games by game engine
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 October 21%23Category:Video games by game engine

Category:Video games scored by theMeatly

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:13, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting video games scored by themeatly
 * Nominator's rationale: Category based on a non-notable person and containing only one entry. Why? I Ask (talk) 07:38, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete Seems akin to WP:OCASSOC. Definitely non-defining. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:47, 15 October 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Banu Abi'l-Shawarib
Relisted, see Categories for discussion/Log/2022 October 21

Category:Shah Ismail Delvi

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:10, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Shah Ismail Delvi to Category:19th-century Indian Muslims
 * Propose deleting Category:Works by Shah Ismail Delvi
 * Nominator's rationale: merge/delete, only one article in each of these categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Merge/Delete for Now with no objection to recreating if either prove us wrong and get to 5+ articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:50, 15 October 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Members of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada

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 * The result of the discussion was: alt rename (to KIng's ...) (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:12, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Members of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada to Category:Members of the Privy Council for Canada
 * Propose renaming Category:Lists of members of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada to Category:Lists of members of the Privy Council for Canada
 * Nominator's rationale: The full name changes from Queen's to King's depending on the monarch. The proposed category renaming would be gender neutral and cover all periods of the privy council regardless of whether the monarch was a king or queen as per various articles in the cat such as List of members of the Privy Council for Canada (1867–1911), List of members of the Privy Council for Canada (1948–1968), and List of members of the Privy Council for Canada (2006–present) as well as the parent category Category:Lists of Privy Counsellors. 199.7.157.70 (talk) 03:13, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Alt rename. I like the gender neutral suggestion but the article name is currently at King's Privy Council for Canada so the category should be renamed accordingly to Category:Members of the King's Privy Council for Canada. If there is any chance of having the article name changed to Privy Council for Canada then feel free to start an WP:RM procedure and if successful the category can be speedily follow. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:40, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Alt Rename I would !vote differently in an RM, but here in CFD we should defer to the article space so as not to confuse readers with different naming conventions. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:52, 15 October 2022 (UTC)


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