Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 October 19



Category:NWT Sport Hall of Fame inductees

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  19:55, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting nwt sport hall of fame inductees
 * Nominator's rationale: I originally thought the redlink in the category was a typo. Then, I found that NWT Sport Hall of Fame was deleted last year. Since the main article is deleted, I don't think the category is needed. Was going to speedy request this under G8 but this isnt a category populated by a deleted template, hence this nomination. MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 22:16, 19 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete, even if the article would still exist this would still fall under WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:13, 20 October 2022 (UTC)


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Category:People of United Empire Loyalist descent
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Category:Murree District

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  19:58, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting murree district
 * Nominator's rationale: Only 1 page in the category and will likely only ever have 1 page (would've CSD'd but didn't see any valid criteria) ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 19:02, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Murree is most famous tourist attraction of Pakistan. Many page from Category:Murree will add to Category:Murree District. Take a little breath Bro User:Blaze Wolf. --AAonlyA (talk) 19:30, 19 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep, this is part of a full tree by district. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:35, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * If what the creator said is true, then wouldn't this basically be a duplication of Category:Murree? ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 13:42, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Dear @Blaze Wolf I have checked all existing districts and cities categories format about Pakistan. Murree District is used for administrative related pages only while Murree is being used for all Murree related page. Murree District is newly created district. I have to create more category as per format of other districts. I will not create any category, which is not used for districts. AAonlyA (talk) 14:43, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I still don't quite understand. What do you mean by "I have checked all existing districts and cities categories format about Pakistan"? ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 14:45, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Murree is the name of a town, while Murree District is the name of a district. They are two different things. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:59, 21 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep -- The nom seems to be on the basis that this is a duplicate of Category:Murree, but that should refer to the city. The district has a number of other populated places, so that having bothn is justified.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:36, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - there is Category:Murree District, parent of Category:Murree Tehsil (subdistrict), parent of Category:Murree (town), all more than adequately populated. Oculi (talk) 11:57, 27 October 2022 (UTC)


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Category:The Great British Bake Off winners

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:The Great British Bake Off contestants. No consensus on whether the redirects in the category should be kept or removed.  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:26, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:The Great British Bake Off winners to Category:The Great British Bake Off contestants
 * Nominator's rationale: I appreciate the distinction between "winners" and "contestants", or rather sub-categorizing "winners" as a child category of "contestants". However, most of the pages are rather redirects mainly as result of merging the winner articles into List of The Great British Bake Off finalists, which I created a year ago. Also, there are very few notable runners-up and eliminated contestants having their own articles in the "contestants" category. As I figured, filling the "contestants" category with winners would help minimize the distinction between Bake Off "contestants" and "winners". George Ho (talk) 21:20, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  20:54, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support and remove the redirects (also from the parent category), having redirects in a category to an article that is also in that same category is not helpful at all for finding more information about a topic. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:24, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment -- Both these are ultimately Performance by performer categories, which are not normally allowed. The issue is that in this case the performers are generally notable for nothing else.  Do we need either?  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:52, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  18:30, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep and keep the redirects, for those redirects which are useful. Eg David Atherton (baker) is a useful redirect to an informative section. (In contrast Beca Lyne-Pirkis is not a useful redirect as the article merely mentions her a few times: this redirect cannot be made useful and should be deleted.) Oculi (talk) 09:36, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Remove the Redirects they are circular and not informative. Defer to other editors on the category itself. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:33, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * The redirects might be suitable per WP:LISTRCAT. Support merge per nom. @Oculi, you don't seem to have given a reason to keep the category. — Qwerfjkl  talk  20:19, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment These should be shown to meet the criteria of WP:OC, else they should be deleted. - jc37 19:28, 29 October 2022 (UTC)


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Wikipedians interested in redlinked sports teams
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:00, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians interested in rochester revolution
 * Propose deleting wikipedians interested in the wnc wildcats
 * Propose deleting wikipedians interested in the summerlin red rocks fc
 * Propose deleting wikipedians interested in the new york court kings
 * Propose deleting wikipedians interested in the las vegas knights sc
 * Nominator's rationale Unclear how these categories can possibly help collaboration when there isn't even an article on the topic to which they refer. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 15:52, 19 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Even if the articles would exist it would be a too narrow interest category. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:38, 20 October 2022 (UTC)


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Wikipedians interested in Esports teams
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete/merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:01, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting wikipedians interested in esports teams
 * Propose merging wikipedians interested in the overwatch league to Category:Wikipedians interested in esports and Category:Wikipedians interested in sports teams
 * Nominator's rationale: Only one leaf category in this entire tree. * Pppery * <sub style="color:#800000">it has begun... 15:43, 19 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:39, 20 October 2022 (UTC)


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Category:People from Ulyanovsk Oblast
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge all.  bibliomaniac  1  5  03:26, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Tsilninsky District to Category:People from Ulyanovsk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Sursky District to Category:People from Ulyanovsk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Staromaynsky District to Category:People from Ulyanovsk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Starokulatkinsky District to Category:People from Ulyanovsk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Pavlovsky District, Ulyanovsk Oblast to Category:People from Ulyanovsk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Novospassky District to Category:People from Ulyanovsk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Novomalyklinsky District to Category:People from Ulyanovsk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Nikolayevsky District, Ulyanovsk Oblast to Category:People from Ulyanovsk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Karsunsky District to Category:People from Ulyanovsk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:Executed people from Ulyanovsk Oblast to Category:People from Ulyanovsk Oblast
 * Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 articles in each. Rathfelder (talk) 15:10, 19 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. We are gradually coming closer to the letter Z. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:40, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. — Mugtheboss (talk) 15:30, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Oculi (talk) 01:39, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
 * List first. The last category partly needed a double merge, adding one member into the other parent Category:Executed Russian people – I have done that. – Fayenatic  L ondon 16:00, 1 November 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Amnesty International prisoners of conscience
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:10, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting:
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by argentina
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by australia
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by azerbaijan
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by bahrain
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by bangladesh
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by belarus
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by bhutan
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by burundi
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by cambodia
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by cameroon
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by china
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by the democratic republic of the congo
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by cuba
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by czechoslovakia
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by egypt
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by equatorial guinea
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by eritrea
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by eswatini
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by ethiopia
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by the gambia
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by guatemala
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by haiti
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by india
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by indonesia
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by iran
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by israel
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by jordan
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by kazakhstan
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by kenya
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by kuwait
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by kyrgyzstan
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by malawi
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by malaysia
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by the maldives
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by mauritania
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by mexico
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by morocco
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by myanmar
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by namibia
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by nepal
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by nigeria
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by north korea
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by north macedonia
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by pakistan
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by the philippines
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by poland
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by russia
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by rwanda
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by saudi arabia
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by serbia and montenegro
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by singapore
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by somaliland
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by south africa
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by south korea
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by the soviet union
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by sri lanka
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by sudan
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by syria
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by taiwan
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by tajikistan
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by tanzania
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by thailand
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by tunisia
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by turkey
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by turkmenistan
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by the united arab emirates
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by the united states
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by uzbekistan
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by venezuela
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by vietnam
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by yugoslavia
 * amnesty international prisoners of conscience held by zimbabwe
 * Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCLIST. There are many organizations which make lists and there is no reason to single out Amnesty International's as defining. User:Namiba 13:44, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you want to nominate the 72 subcategories? You cant delete this on its own. Rathfelder (talk) 15:18, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * They have all been nominated.--User:Namiba 17:36, 19 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose, the authority of Amnesty International in the field of prisoners of conscience is comparable to the authority of Nobel prizes in the field of awards. For Nobel prizes we allow award categories by exception, so should we allow AI categories in this other field by exception. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:41, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The Nobel Prize is an award. Being on an organization's list is not. That's a major difference.--User:Namiba 15:00, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * My argument is not about awards, it is about making very rare exceptions. Sort of a WP:IAR reasoning. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:04, 21 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose I believe this came up during the failed suggestion to delete the Political Prisoners category sometime ago, that only "designated" ones like these categories should be allowed to exist. I disagreed then. But here I think being identified by Amnesty and being made part of a campaign is actually defining for some historical political prisoners who might otherwise not have become widely known. Dan Carkner (talk) 22:23, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose because it's a very useful category. Fad Ariff (talk) 11:49, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:ITSUSEFUL is an argument to avoid. Usefulness is entirely subjective.--User:Namiba 13:57, 21 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep -- If we had a robust category for "Prisoners of conscience held by foo-land", I would have supported a proposal to merge them to a more general category, but we do not. There are certainly other bodies that seek to identify those imprisoned for their views (for example on religion).  Keston Institute did this for Christian victims of communism.  Until someone can come up with a robust alternative, we need to keep this series.  At present the only parent is a general one relating to prisoners of foo-land, which does not distinguish between criminals and political or religious dissidents.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:56, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose Being listed by Amnesty International is politically significant internationally and widely quoted. Bigwig7 (talk) 18:14, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose per previous explanations, I didn’t even know about Amnesty International until now, but even I recognise the significance of these categories since reading up about this organisation. — Mugtheboss (talk) 15:41, 27 October 2022 (UTC)


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Wildfire seasons
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Category:Medieval Ottoman military personnel
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  20:04, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Medieval Ottoman military personnel to Category:Military personnel of the medieval Islamic world
 * Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary layer holding only C14 and C15 Ottoman sub-cats. These can be held directly in the "medieval Islamic world" parent, as I have just done in e.g. Category:Viziers of the medieval Islamic world. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:16, 19 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:25, 19 October 2022 (UTC)


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Category:NATO member countries and the Russo-Ukrainian war
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Category:Thai national heritage films
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 * The result of the discussion was: no consensus.  bibliomaniac  1  5  00:20, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting category
 * Nominator's rationale: Procedural nomination from deletion review which I closed as relist. Prior Cfd is here. Original nominator 's rationale: WP:TOPTEN violation. Although there's no head article to explain exactly what a "Thai national heritage film" is, and most of the articles filed here provide absolutely no context for their inclusion either, I've been able to sort out from one of the articles (Bad Genius) that the Thai Film Archive releases an annual list of films from the past year that it has deemed culturally or artistically significant -- basically Canada's Top Ten, but for Thailand instead of Canada. Accordingly, a properly sourced article that listed the inducted films would be fine, but we don't categorize for inclusion in other organizations' proprietary and copyrighted ranking lists. Xymmax  So let it be written   So let it be done  01:42, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Courtesy pinging all participants of prior Cfd or DRV. My apologies if the notification is not desired. I will have no further role in the discussion. Xymmax So let it be written   So let it be done  02:02, 19 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Prior members here. Content of the category page itself was just  . —Cryptic 02:40, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * In the previous CfD discussion I said "delete per nom". In the DRV discussion, Paul_012 correctly pointed out that it should have been possibly listify and delete per nom. The closer of this discussion might list the category members here on the talk page so that anyone can pick it up to convert it to a proper list article. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:23, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Neutral- and do not listify. Create an article Thai national heritage films first, otherwise there is no basis for a category or a list. Oculi (talk) 13:27, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The article had already been created, at National Film Heritage Registry, over the past week; maybe you weren't looking carefully enough at the search results? I've created a redirect from your link. --Paul_012 (talk) 13:33, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I think Thailand has to be in the title. I see the Thai version th:%E0%B8%A1%E0%B8%A3%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%A0%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%9E%E0%B8%A2%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%95%E0%B8%A3%E0%B9%8C%E0%B8%82%E0%B8%AD%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%8A%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%95%E0%B8%B4 has a list. A category would fail on WP:OCAWARD grounds. Oculi (talk) 13:53, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I did think about including Thailand in the title, but since most sources appear to regard it as a proper noun, it would have to be something like National Film Heritage Registry (Thailand) or National Film Heritage Registry of Thailand, which would then be redundant, since the exact wording isn't used anywhere else. Point noted regarding WP:OCAWARD, though I'd still rather keep, if for a bit IAR reasons, as noted below. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:27, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I have switched to neutral, having found Category:United States National Film Registry films and a unanimous 'keep' for it at cfd: 2014 July 24#Category:United States National Film Registry films. Maybe someone will explain why OCAWARD is not relevant. Oculi (talk) 14:37, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Tentative keep. The nominator's claim is incorrect. The registry in question is not an editorial list subjectively compiled by a single publication (which is what WP:TOPTEN covers), but a designation made by Thailand's main government body responsible for film conservation, listing the most historically and culturally significant Thai films of all time (not just those from the previous year), with annual additions to the list. It hardly bears resemblance to Canada's Top Ten, but is more directly comparable to the United States' National Film Registry, for which we have a category at Category:United States National Film Registry films. That said, WP:other stuff exists is not a reason for keeping, and that's not what I'm arguing. But as the single most authoritative designation of films regarded as the most important in Thai cinematic history, it serves as a helpful proxy for readers wishing to browse through such important films, even if the designation itself may not yet have become a strictly defining aspect mentioned by the large majority of sources covering the individual films themselves. This is a bit of an WP:IAR argument on my part. Failing that, I would favour listifying into the National Film Heritage Registry article, which I have since started (and would have done so earlier during the original CfD had I received a notification as the category creator). --Paul_012 (talk) 14:19, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment I have restored the category for this CFD discussion. I have no idea though what pages were in this category when it was deleted. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 07:50, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The diffs were linked at the DRV page. I have reverted them; there are now 47 member pages. – Fayenatic  L ondon 22:06, 20 October 2022 (UTC)


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