Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 October 23



Category:Shasta County Sports Hall of Fame inductees

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 * The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:25, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting shasta county sports hall of fame inductees
 * Nominator's rationale: This one I'm not too sure about. The main article, Shasta County Sports Hall of Fame does not exist. Is a category okay to have when the main article that the template is about does not exist? Or, does the main article need to exist first before a related category? MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 22:07, 23 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete, inductees in sports halls categories are routinely deleted per WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:24, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete but perhaps listify -- We invariably apply WP:OCAWARD to listify and delete "hall of fame" categories, except sometimes where the hall has an actual exhibition. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:15, 24 October 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Waterfalls in India

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:26, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Waterfalls in India to Category:Waterfalls of India
 * Nominator's rationale: duplicate of Category:Waterfalls of India Robby (talk) 21:30, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge I concur with the nominee's rationale.
 * RPSkokie (talk) 03:31, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, Waterfalls of X is the naming convention (as seen in Category:Waterfalls of Asia by country). BLAIXX 02:26, 28 October 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Sexual abuse of women in the catholic church

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:26, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Sexual abuse of women in the catholic church to Category:Sexual abuse of women in the Catholic Church
 * Nominator's rationale: MOS:CAPS Elizium23 (talk) 12:25, 23 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Speedy merge per WP:C2B. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:29, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Speedy - merely miscapitalisation. Peterkingiron (talk) 21:18, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Category has been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 03:01, 25 October 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Civil parishes in the United States
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Category:Debut films

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 * The result of the discussion was: containerise. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:45, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting debut films
 * Nominator's rationale: Category of unclear utility. This has a bit of a tendency to collect stray films which happened to offer the debut performance of an individual actor, sometimes even non-notable actors in small bit parts, but that isn't really a WP:DEFINING characteristic of those films and is basically WP:PERFCAT (as well as being on a fast train to total unmaintainability, since every single film actor who exists at all had a "debut performance" in one film or another) — but where it would be useful and defining, namely films which were the debuts of their directors, it merely duplicates the already existing . And other than that, the only other things filed here are two subcategories whose contents aren't actually films, but film awards, and thus don't really belong here either. So there's no real pressing need for it, if everything that could actually be filed in it is either a duplication or an overcategorized misfile. should be upmerged to both of this one's parents; the awards categories should not. Bearcat (talk) 05:39, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  09:29, 15 October 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  11:31, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Containerize (rather than delete). There are just subcategories in it, and that should stay so. As a container category it functions well to keep the content in the Debuts tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:29, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Containerize (as creator) The intent here is not to add loose film articles but to help aid navigation to the 3 subcats: Category:Film awards for debut actress‎, Category:Directorial debut films, & Category:Film awards for male debut actors‎. - RevelationDirect (talk) 14:37, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Except that we don't need navigation from to Category:Film awards for debut actress‎ or Category:Film awards for male debut actors‎, because the contents of those categories are not films — for them to be relevant here at all, you would have to commit exactly the same "any film that features any actor's debut performance is a debut film" WP:PERFCAT error that gets individual films directly filed here. The only category that legitimately belongs here at all is Category:Directorial debut films, which thus just makes it unnecessary duplication. Bearcat (talk) 15:34, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Readers are likely to want to navigate between these 3 related trees which is what categories are for. We could could add Category:Debut film topic category into the mix as the parent category to include the awards. Or we could narrow the category scope to Category:Debut film awards and place Category:Directorial debut film awards under it plus the 2 acting trees. I'm sympathetic to your maintenance concern and am open to a lot so long as we don't sever the only direct navigational pathway between these three trees. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:09, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Containerize seems reasonable based on the discussion above. B<b style="color: #FD8F42">L</b><b style="color: #0096FF">A</b>IXX 12:23, 25 October 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Venerated African-American Catholics
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 * The result of the discussion was: keep the current name. (non-admin closure) lettherebedarklight〔晚安 おやすみ〕ping me when replying 08:03, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Venerated African-American Catholics to Category:Venerated African-American Roman Catholics
 * Nominator's rationale: consistency with existing pervasive usage of "Roman Catholic" category hierarchy and allow future expansion into "Eastern Catholic" or "Byzantine Catholic", etc. categories Elizium23 (talk) 03:49, 23 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose, a split by particular church within the Catholic Church results in very narrow intersections. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:54, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose - as it is a subcat of Category:American venerated Catholics and Category:Venerated Catholics (unless part of a wider rename). Suggest instead Category:African-American venerated Catholics. (According to List of venerated Catholics and category inclusions, these are all Roman Catholic.) Oculi (talk) 11:06, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose, "Roman Catholic" category namings are apparently a relic from when the Catholic Church page was named "Roman Catholic Church". That has since been amended, most likely because the Church does not officially use that title. natemup (talk) 22:55, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Neutral, no opinion about the various categories of African-American [Catholic/Roman Catholic] [X], but C vs RC should be consistent within this category tree if kept. Recommend these individual entries be closed a consolidated be discussion be created for the category tree. –Zfish118⋉talk 00:00, 25 October 2022 (UTC)


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Category:African-American Catholics
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Category:African-American Catholic superiors general
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 October 31%23Category:African-American Catholic superiors general

Category:African-American Catholic consecrated religious
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Canadian Soccer League
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge/rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:37, 31 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Merge Category:Canadian Professional Soccer League (1998–2005) into Category:Canadian Soccer League
 * Rename Category:Canadian Soccer League to Category:Canadian Soccer League (1998–present)
 * Merge Category:Canadian Professional Soccer League (1998–2005) teams into Category:Canadian Soccer League (2006–present) teams
 * Rename Category:Canadian Soccer League (2006–present) teams to Category:Canadian Soccer League (1998–present) teams
 * Merge Category:Canadian Professional Soccer League (1998–2005) players into Category:Canadian Soccer League (2006–present) players
 * Rename Category:Canadian Soccer League (2006–present) players to Category:Canadian Soccer League (1998–present) players
 * Merge Category:Canadian Professional Soccer League (1998–2005) managers into Category:Canadian Soccer League (2006–present) managers
 * Rename Category:Canadian Soccer League (2006–present) managers to Category:Canadian Soccer League (1998–present) managers
 * Nominator's rationale: The Canadian Professional Soccer League was founded in 1998 and was renamed to the Canadian Soccer League in 2006. Since it is the same league with a different name, we do not need to split the categories by time period. The reason for including "(1998–present)" is because of the unrelated league of the same name: Canadian Soccer League (1987–1992). Therefore, I am proposing to merge the 1998–2005 era categories with the 2006–present era while also renaming to a more sensible name. Pinging <b style="color: #329604">B</b><b style="color: #FD8F42">L</b><b style="color: #0096FF">A</b>IXX 02:29, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. But unsure of what name should be. As Blaixx mentioned, it needs to be clearly distinct from the 87-92 league. RedPatch (talk) 02:53, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support The proposal makes perfect sense. It's the same league it was just rebranded in 2006. I believe the Canadian Soccer League (1998–present) is a good name for it as it is distinguished from the old national CSL from 1987-92. Shotgun pete (talk) 13:35, 23 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 19:33, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - a rename/rebrand does not need separate articles or categories, see which became . GiantSnowman 19:34, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support it is long established that renamed subjects do not need a new category. The precedent on this is alumni category, where it was established at least a decade ago.  Peterkingiron (talk) 21:11, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support all as per the above comments, it's the same league with a slight variation on name. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 07:47, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - for the avoidance of doubt, all categories should be located at, , , to match the parent article of Canadian Soccer League per CFDS C2D - the '(1998–present)' is not needed at all. Thoughts . If you disagree then you need to RM Canadian Soccer League to Canadian Soccer League ((1998–present). GiantSnowman 19:14, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support  It makes sense to me. I have no objections to categorizing all the categories under Category:Canadian Soccer League name. After all the league is still active while the previous one is defunct. Shotgun pete (talk) 22:29, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think WP:C2D applies in the case: "[C2D] does not apply to proposals to remove a disambiguator from the category name, even when the main article is the primary topic of its name". <b style="color: #329604">B</b><b style="color: #FD8F42">L</b><b style="color: #0096FF">A</b>IXX 23:17, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
 * For an example, see my failed C2D request for the Canadian Championship in 2019: Category talk:Canadian Soccer Championship. <b style="color: #329604">B</b><b style="color: #FD8F42">L</b><b style="color: #0096FF">A</b>IXX 02:24, 28 October 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Motor vehicles manufactured in Sri Lanka
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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Vehicles of Sri Lanka. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  17:33, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting motor vehicles manufactured in sri lanka
 * Nominator's rationale: Your reason(s) for the proposed deletion. 43.249.196.156 (talk) 00:01, 23 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Rename to Category:Cars of Sri Lanka per WP:C2C. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:58, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support rename proposal. <b style="color: #329604">B</b><b style="color: #FD8F42">L</b><b style="color: #0096FF">A</b>IXX 18:31, 23 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep -- Only one of these is a car. The rest are military vehicles, some in the nature of trucks or vans.  Peterkingiron (talk) 21:15, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge to . Oculi (talk) 21:36, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge per Oculi, as the standard format of such categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:36, 24 October 2022 (UTC)


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