Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 October 6



Category:People from Buryatia

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 09:42, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Zakamensky District to Category:People from Buryatia
 * Propose merging Category:People from Tunkinsky District to Category:People from Buryatia
 * Propose merging Category:People from Mukhorshibirsky District to Category:People from Buryatia
 * Propose merging Category:People from Kyakhtinsky District to Category:People from Buryatia
 * Propose merging Category:People from Kurumkansky District to Category:People from Buryatia
 * Propose merging Category:People from Kizhinginsky District to Category:People from Buryatia
 * Propose merging Category:People from Kabansky District to Category:People from Buryatia
 * Propose merging Category:People from Ivolginsky District to Category:People from Buryatia
 * Propose merging Category:People from Bauntovsky Evenkiysky District to Category:People from Buryatia
 * Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 articles in each Rathfelder (talk) 22:15, 6 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:31, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom, too.-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99°  12:40, 7 October 2022 (UTC)


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Category:People from Bryansk Oblast

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 09:42, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Zlynkovsky District to Category:People from Bryansk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Vygonichsky District to Category:People from Bryansk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Trubchevsk to Category:People from Bryansk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Suzemsky District to Category:People from Bryansk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Surazhsky District to Category:People from Bryansk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Starodubsky District to Category:People from Bryansk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Sevsky District to Category:People from Bryansk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Rognedinsky District to Category:People from Bryansk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Pogarsky District to Category:People from Bryansk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Novozybkovsky District to Category:People from Bryansk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Navlinsky District to Category:People from Bryansk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Komarichsky District to Category:People from Bryansk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Klimovsky District to Category:People from Bryansk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Kletnyansky District to Category:People from Bryansk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Karachevsky District to Category:People from Bryansk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Dubrovsky District to Category:People from Bryansk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Bryansky District to Category:People from Bryansk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Brasovsky District to Category:People from Bryansk Oblast
 * Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 articles in each Rathfelder (talk) 22:04, 6 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:04, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom, too.-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99°  12:40, 7 October 2022 (UTC)


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Category:People from Belgorod Oblast

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 09:43, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Alexeyevsky District, Belgorod Oblast to Category:People from Belgorod Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Volokonovsky District to Category:People from Belgorod Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Rakityansky District to Category:People from Belgorod Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Novooskolsky District to Category:People from Belgorod Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Krasnoyaruzhsky District to Category:People from Belgorod Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Grayvoronsky District to Category:People from Belgorod Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Chernyansky District to Category:People from Belgorod Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Borisovsky District to Category:People from Belgorod Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Belgorodsky District to Category:People from Belgorod Oblast
 * Nominator's rationale:Only 1 or 2 articles in each Rathfelder (talk) 21:56, 6 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:04, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom, too.-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99°  12:41, 7 October 2022 (UTC)-- ౪ Santa ౪  99°  12:41, 7 October 2022 (UTC)


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Category:People from Bashkortostan

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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 09:43, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Zilairsky District to Category:People from Bashkortostan
 * Propose merging Category:People from Yanaulsky District to Category:People from Bashkortostan
 * Propose merging Category:People from Uchalinsky District to Category:People from Bashkortostan
 * Propose merging Category:People from Tuymazy to Category:People from Bashkortostan
 * Propose merging Category:People from Sterlitamaksky District to Category:People from Bashkortostan
 * Propose merging Category:People from Sibay to Category:People from Bashkortostan
 * Propose merging Category:People from Sharansky District to Category:People from Bashkortostan
 * Propose merging Category:People from Miyakinsky District to Category:People from Bashkortostan
 * Propose merging Category:People from Meleuzovsky District to Category:People from Bashkortostan
 * Propose merging Category:People from Mechetlinsky District to Category:People from Bashkortostan
 * Propose merging Category:People from Kumertau to Category:People from Bashkortostan
 * Propose merging Category:People from Kaltasinsky District to Category:People from Bashkortostan
 * Propose merging Category:People from Belebeyevsky District to Category:People from Bashkortostan
 * Propose merging Category:People from Ilishevsky District to Category:People from Bashkortostan
 * Propose merging Category:People from Iglinsky District to Category:People from Bashkortostan
 * Propose merging Category:People from Gafuriysky District to Category:People from Bashkortostan
 * Propose merging Category:People from Fyodorovsky District, Republic of Bashkortostan to Category:People from Bashkortostan
 * Propose merging Category:People from Davlekanovo to Category:People from Bashkortostan
 * Propose merging Category:People from Chekmagushevsky District to Category:People from Bashkortostan
 * Propose merging Category:People from Blagoveshchensky District, Bashkortostan to Category:People from Bashkortostan
 * Propose merging Category:People from Blagovarsky District to Category:People from Bashkortostan
 * Propose merging Category:People from Baymak to Category:People from Bashkortostan
 * Propose merging Category:People from Baltachevsky District to Category:People from Bashkortostan
 * Propose merging Category:People from Bakalinsky District to Category:People from Bashkortostan
 * Propose merging Category:People from Askinsky District to Category:People from Bashkortostan
 * Propose merging Category:People from Alsheyevsky District to Category:People from Bashkortostan
 * Propose merging Category:People from Agidel to Category:People from Bashkortostan
 * Propose merging Category:People from Abzelilovsky District to Category:People from Bashkortostan
 * Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 articles in each category. Rathfelder (talk) 21:34, 6 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Support per nom, as in similar nomination above. However, I wouldn't mind if some of these is left alone under condition that contain more than just few people names.-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99°  12:57, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I've deliberately set the bar very low. We usually expect at least 5 articles in  a category to make it viable. Rathfelder (talk) 10:16, 11 October 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Tamil-language television miniseries

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  21:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:Tamil-language television miniseries to Category:Indian television miniseries
 * Nominator's rationale: We don't create subcategories on the basis of language. Over here we only do so by country. Kailash29792 (talk)  10:51, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  20:26, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose, there is a whole tree of language-based categories at Category:Tamil-language mass media. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:55, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Oppose too, per Marcocapelle argument, which is perfectly logical since we do have topic-related language-based tree Category:Tamil-language mass media.-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99°  12:39, 7 October 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Competitors in athletics with limb difference
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 October 14%23Category:Competitors in athletics with limb difference

Years in Alberta before 1905

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 * The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  21:30, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming:


 * REDIRECT Category:1880s in Alberta to Category:1880s in the District of Alberta
 * REDIRECT Category:1890s in Alberta to Category:1890s in the District of Alberta
 * Category:1884 in Alberta to Category:1884 in the District of Alberta
 * Category:1886 in Alberta to Category:1886 in the District of Alberta
 * Category:1887 in Alberta to Category:1887 in the District of Alberta
 * Category:1889 in Alberta to Category:1889 in the District of Alberta
 * Category:1891 in Alberta to Category:1891 in the District of Alberta
 * Category:1892 in Alberta to Category:1892 in the District of Alberta
 * Category:1893 in Alberta to Category:1893 in the District of Alberta
 * Category:1894 in Alberta to Category:1894 in the District of Alberta
 * Category:1895 in Alberta to Category:1895 in the District of Alberta
 * Category:1896 in Alberta to Category:1896 in the District of Alberta
 * Category:1897 in Alberta to Category:1897 in the District of Alberta
 * Category:1898 in Alberta to Category:1898 in the District of Alberta
 * Category:1899 in Alberta to Category:1899 in the District of Alberta
 * Category:1900 in Alberta to Category:1900 in the District of Alberta
 * REDIRECT Category:1901 in Alberta to Category:1901 in the District of Alberta
 * REDIRECT Category:1902 in Alberta to Category:1902 in the District of Alberta
 * REDIRECT Category:1903 in Alberta to Category:1903 in the District of Alberta
 * REDIRECT Category:1904 in Alberta to Category:1904 in the District of Alberta
 * Split Category:1905 in Alberta to Category:1905 in the District of Alberta


 * REDIRECT Category:1880s establishments in Alberta to Category:1880s establishments in the District of Alberta
 * REDIRECT Category:1890s establishments in Alberta to Category:1890s establishments in the District of Alberta
 * Category:1884 establishments in Alberta to Category:1884 establishments in the District of Alberta
 * Category:1886 establishments in Alberta to Category:1886 establishments in the District of Alberta
 * Category:1887 establishments in Alberta to Category:1887 establishments in the District of Alberta
 * Category:1889 establishments in Alberta to Category:1889 establishments in the District of Alberta
 * Category:1891 establishments in Alberta to Category:1891 establishments in the District of Alberta
 * Category:1892 establishments in Alberta to Category:1892 establishments in the District of Alberta
 * Category:1895 establishments in Alberta to Category:1895 establishments in the District of Alberta
 * Category:1896 establishments in Alberta to Category:1896 establishments in the District of Alberta
 * Category:1897 establishments in Alberta to Category:1897 establishments in the District of Alberta
 * Category:1898 establishments in Alberta to Category:1898 establishments in the District of Alberta
 * REDIRECT Category:1901 establishments in Alberta to Category:1901 establishments in the District of Alberta
 * REDIRECT Category:1902 establishments in Alberta to Category:1902 establishments in the District of Alberta
 * REDIRECT Category:1904 establishments in Alberta to Category:1904 establishments in the District of Alberta
 * Split Category:1905 establishments in Alberta to Category:1905 establishments in the District of Alberta


 * REDIRECT Category:1890s disestablishments in Alberta to Category:1890s disestablishments in the District of Alberta
 * Category:1897 disestablishments in Alberta to Category:1897 disestablishments in the District of Alberta
 * REDIRECT Category:1904 disestablishments in Alberta to Category:1904 disestablishments in the District of Alberta
 * REDIRECT Category:19th century in Alberta to Category:19th century in the District of Alberta
 * REDIRECT Category:19th-century establishments in Alberta to Category:19th-century establishments in the District of Alberta
 * REDIRECT Category:19th-century disestablishments in Alberta to Category:19th-century disestablishments in the District of Alberta


 * Nominator's rationale: The Province of Alberta did not exist until September 1, 1905. The events in these categories mostly belong in the District of Alberta (1882-1905) which was part of the Northwest Territories.  A very few of them occurred in other districts of the NWT, as the province is larger than its namesake district.  These outliers can be removed manually. NB We also need separate categories for both the district and the province for 1905, depending on whether event occurred on or before August 31, or on or after September 1.  67kevlar (talk) 17:43, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  17:17, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I finished it for you. – Fayenatic  L ondon 21:43, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much!@Fayenatic london 67kevlar (talk) 22:48, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: I really, really don't grok why a thing changing its status from "district" to "province" required any of this. Was there some other Alberta prior to 1905 for this Alberta to have been confused with, such that we can't keep the simplest possible names on disambiguation grounds? Bearcat (talk) 17:44, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Bearcat has a fair point. The category names as nominated are unnecessarily precise. An alternatve view could be that we should not have year by district categories at all, but that would result in a completely different discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:33, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment -- The precedent for this is categories in Midwest of USA. I think we changed categories on pre-state districts to match the polities of the time. In some cases, the pre-state districts or territories were larger than the subsequent state, so that the use of the name of the subsequent state is misleading in respect of places later included in other states.  We therefore categorised according to the name of the time.  In this case, the province was bigger than the preceding district.  For 1905 we probably need two categories one called province and the other district.  Previously the district was only part of the province, so that it does not matter, provided that content relating to the District of Athabasca is purged into an appropriate sibling.  This nom is probably going to be used as a precedent for the other two prairie provinces, also created in 1905, but there the situation may be even more difficult.  My inclination is to support the nom, but I am not Canadian and this is thus only a comment.  There certainly is a case for not changing categories before 1905, on the basis that Albert in 1900 meant the District of Alberta, but (if so) content from areas beyond the district's boundaary must be purged.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:24, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: The year categories currently do not use YearcatCanadaprovince, but e.g. Category:1884 in Ontario does so, and links to the existing name. If all of the nominated categories were redirected, this would aid incoming navigation from other provinces/districts. However, the template would need amending if it were to be used on e.g. 1884 in the District of Alberta. do you have any wisdom to offer on this nomination, or comments on the work that it would require to maintain links afterwards? – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:24, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Fayenatic london: sorry for a slow reply.
 * I think it would be possible, but quite complex. YearcatCanadaprovince assumes that all the entities listed are provinces or territories, but AIUI the District of Alberta was actually a subdivision of the Northwest Territories. So including the the District of Alberta wouldn't just involve checking for redirects etc; it would also involve creating several variants of display to the extra level of sub-divisions, with different variations displayed depending on which year was involved.
 * Similar mods would be required for CanadaByProvinceCatNav.
 * Personally, I think it would be much better to avoid that complexity. If cat header templates are wanted for the districts, then they would be better implemented as a new YearcatCanadaDistrict; that would be a lot simpler than trying to treat a district as a province.   Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 02:37, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

In my view, if this was only a change in status, then Bearcat is right. Similarly, if the change in boundaries was small, then the extra precision is probably unhelpful. OTOH, if the province is more than say 25% bigger in area or population than the district, then the name should probably reflect the distinction. However, neither the article District of Alberta nor the article Alberta gave me any hint of the extent of those territorial changes. So my question is: does anyone have any info on that actual difference in territory between the District of Alberta and the province of Alberta? -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 15:11, 4 October 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  20:25, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep as is. Per the nominator's own rationale, there is no ambiguity that a reference to 1904 in Alberta, or the 1880s in Alberta, refers to the District, not the Province. The propose change therefore does not seem to make things clearer or easier to navigate. Better is the enemy of good. Place Clichy (talk) 10:05, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Question. It seems to me that this decision hinges on the statement by the nominator that the province is larger than its namesake district and on @'s  comment that they really, really don't grok why a thing changing its status from "district" to "province" required any of this.
 * Comment the District of Alberta was a non-self governing entity within the NWT and was less than half the size of the later Province of Alberta. The change to a province was of major political and administrative importance.  For those who don't know, Canadian provinces are among the most powerful federated governments in the world relative to the central government, whereas as a district, Alberta had no government apart from that the NWT.  The exact names and boundaries of the provinces created in 1905 were hotly contested.  The Province of Buffalo plan was preferred by many locals to the creation of the two provinces of Alberta and Saskatchewan, but the central government insisted. 67kevlar (talk) 22:11, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep as is per the points raised by Bearcat and Place. — Mugtheboss (talk) 14:00, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Further comment Alberta 1882-6 may have been smaller than Alberta after 1886, both being smaller than the 1905 province. District of Athabasca was created in 1882, enlarged in 1886 and then split between the three prairie provinces in 1905.  However the fact that Alberta refers to a district can be dealt with in a headnote, rather than cluttering up the category name.  Category names are best kept brief.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:21, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep as is as Alberta can refer to the Province and District, and having different name pre-1905 is unnecessarily complicated for the many categories by year etc involved ¬¬¬¬ Hugo (my keyboard is not working properly!)


 * Question for those wanting to keep as is: are they aware of the constitutional differences between a district (no distinct status whatsoever, just an administrative division within the also not fully self-governing North West Territories) and a province (self-governing)? Or the fact that the province is twice the size of the old district?  Does that change their opinion?  If so, why not? 67kevlar (talk) 22:55, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment: there would be no problem for things established within the district. If things were established within the present provincial boundary but outside the district, then there's an anachronism, but this potential problem my not arise in practice.– Fayenatic  L ondon 07:22, 14 October 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Hungarian-speaking territories

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 * The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Hungarian-speaking countries and territories. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:23, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting hungarian-speaking territories
 * Nominator's rationale: Violation of WP:NPOV. Privybst (talk) 11:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)


 * What makes it a violation of WP:NPOV? Marcocapelle (talk) 12:44, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * None of these territories has a Hungarian-speaking majority. Privybst (talk) 12:49, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Berehove Raion has a Hungarian majority. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:14, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * @Laurel Lodged no longer in the new borders. Privybst (talk) 09:50, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Then we should move the category assignment from Berehove Raion to Berehove and perhaps other places. Which makes me think, perhaps we should rename the category to hungarian-speaking places. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:43, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It seems to apply to Dunajská Streda District as well (though it is not sourced). Marcocapelle (talk) 14:42, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Without sourcing, it may be best to delete until the claim can be supported. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:26, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  17:20, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Weak keep -- The modern Hungary was a creation of the post-1918 treaties, which left significant Hungarian populations in neighbouring countries. In each case there is a significant Hungarian population, though in some cases this information is unverified (though not offending against OR or POV, as it may well be verifiable).  That these are Hungarian (or partly Hungarian)-speaking areas is surely an notable characteristic.  Some of these areas were part of pre-WWII Slovakia, but added by USSR to Ukraine.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:33, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Support per nom - it feeds into nationalistic POV pushing, not to mention we have no parameters to definitely conclude why is some territory Hungarian just because volume of populace speaks Hungarian.-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99°  00:17, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment - yes, per example set by Marcocapelle, certain territory outside Hungary can have majority population speaking Hungarian, but there should be no doubt that the same population speaks Slovak as first language as well! So, what makes that district-category eligible for such an appropriative name?! Nothing. It's a territory of Slovakia where majority of population is bilingual, and should be named as such (whatever, "Hungarian speaking population outside Hungary" > "Hungarian speaking population in Foo", etc. - this is from top of my mind and could be awkward as well).-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99°  00:35, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  20:22, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Upmerge to Category:Hungarian-speaking countries and territories. While it is true that these categories are an open invitation to irredentist (and sometimes racialist) POVs and have been deleted in past discussions (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 etc.) there is a consistent tree at Category:Countries and territories by language for places defined by majority and/or minority languages. The Hungarian-language category should fit this scheme and therefore be upmerged to its parent. In the spirit of consensus, also support simple deletion. Place Clichy (talk) 10:01, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I too noticed, later, that tree begins with Countries and territories by language, which complicating things. However, I checked and noticed that only most controversial, vis-a-vis nationalism, contain sub-cat named Foo-speaking territories (Hungarian, Hindustani, Turkish and Italian). If largest languages like English, French, and Spanish don't have sub-categories Foo-speaking territories, maybe we could merge those who have into their parent cats and delete subs? ౪ Santa ౪  99°  10:37, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Which is basically, exactly what you argued above :-) But never mind, I just want to express my support for your suggestion. ౪ Santa ౪  99°  10:39, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Support merge too. In fact in this case they are all territories (except Hungary as the only country) but for the sake of consistency across the tree it makes perfect sense to keep it as "countries and territories". Marcocapelle (talk) 07:12, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete bot this and Category:Hungarian-speaking countries and territories, and Category:Hungarian-speaking territorial units in Croatia per Place Clichy, per previous discussions and per "territories don't speak". Maybe a suitable categorization for most articles could be Category:Hungarian minorities in Europe. Respublik (talk) 12:18, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge per Place Clichy. — Qwerfjkl  talk  09:41, 15 October 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Classical vibraphonists
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete/no consensus.


 * Delete Category:Classical vibraphonists
 * No consensus Category:Jazz vibraphonists (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl  talk  09:45, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting classical vibraphonists and jazz vibraphonists
 * Nominator's rationale: No need for a classical and jazz vibraphonist category. Their overlap is exactly the same. Merging won't help as all are included with Category: Vibraphonists. Why? I Ask (talk) 03:09, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl  talk  17:27, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * By not merging, e.g. Leon Milo will disappear from the tree of vibraphonists. Is that really the intention? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:07, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry, missed him. He's not a vibraphonist, anyway. Couldn't find any mentions of him playing the instrument outside of the standard percussion requirements for college. Why? I Ask (talk) 20:17, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Jason Adasiewicz is another one, as is Emmanuel Séjourné. You need an upmerge not delete. Oculi (talk) 17:01, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep - the nom makes no sense: what does "Their overlap is exactly the same" mean? Deleting leaves the substantial adrift. Oculi (talk) 12:48, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Because there is no vibraphonist that is not both a jazz and classical player. Absolutely none. I've checked. And the latter category is also nominated for deletion as its subcats usually contain, at most, five players. Why? I Ask (talk) 20:16, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Margie Hyams is one of many who are categorised as 'jazz' but not 'classical'. Oculi (talk) 16:56, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I should've been clearer. All classical vibraphonists are jazz based, but not all jazz vibraphonists are classical based. Which bascially means that there's no need for the classical category which means there's not a need to specify jazz for that category. Why? I Ask (talk) 17:10, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * That would mean (if true) that should be a subcat of, not that they should both be deleted. In any case Emmanuel Séjourné does not appear to be a jazz musician of any sort (jazz-influenced). Oculi (talk) 17:53, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Séjourné is a jazz musician, too (played some modern jazz with Friedmann among others). And no, it doesn't mean that classical needs to be a subcat, in my opinion. It just means that classifying vibraphonists by their genre helps little when nearly all crossed genres. It especially doesn't help to make classical a subcat of jazz as the two genres are often seen as opposites. Why? I Ask (talk) 18:01, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * (a) there are some vibraphonists who are neither classical nor jazz. These are in the top level of . (b) there are some vibraphonists who are jazz but not classical; these are in and not . (c) there are some vibraphonists who are classical; these are in . There is nothing wrong with this whatever. (Playing some jazz does not make a person a jazz musician.) Oculi (talk) 20:30, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I mean, in the case of Séjourné, he's given clinics on improvisation and written jazz compositions. He's a jazz musician. Same for everyone else in the parent category. Like, literally. And there's only two people in the classical category. Tommy Vig, who is in every vibraphone category already, and Séjourné, who I've established is also a jazz vibist. Why? I Ask (talk) 20:43, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Obviously, if people aren't vibraphonists their articles should be purged from the category regardless of whether we keep the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:12, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's anyone not a vibraphonist in the category, it's just that the classical category has two people that fit equally as well into the jazz category, rendering their separation useless. And if there's no classical versus jazz distinction to make, then what is the point of the jazz category? There's like, what, around 120 vibraphonists on Wikipedia total (based on the List of vibraphonists)? I don't think that it would be too large of a category to have. Why? I Ask (talk) 07:43, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I finally understand why it makes sense to delete the classical category. The two articles are still in another classical category, so merging in that direction is not needed. With the Jazz vibraphonists category, that is still another issue, because by upmerging that to the content will disappear from the Jazz category. Or should we then reparent the whole of  to ? Marcocapelle (talk) 11:35, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
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 * please reply to my last question. If we can reparent the whole of to  it is no longer a problem for me to merge them all. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:46, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * But there are Vibraphonists who are not jazz at all, eg rock and pop, so reparenting would be wrong. I do not believe User:Why? I Ask has a firm grasp of categorisation. Oculi (talk) 11:42, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Bold statement there, Oculi. There's like two non-jazz vibraphonists at most (Ollie Halsall and potentially Craig Peyton (although, he studied with Gary Burton who is like the Michael Jordon of jazz vibes, so he can probably be considered one, too)). Really, if the result comes out that the parent category vibraphone will contain the "non-jazz" persons and there's still a jazz subcategory, I'd live with that. I just don't see the purpose of a "classical vibraphonist" category when basically no one fits in it. Why? I Ask (talk) 02:10, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
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Populated places by raion in Ukraine
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 * The result of the discussion was: delete/upmerge as per Fayenatic London. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  11:17, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting Category:Populated places in Berehove Raion
 * Propose deleting Category:Populated places in Chortkiv Raion
 * Propose deleting Category:Populated places in Kremenets Raion
 * Propose deleting Category:Populated places in Mukachevo Raion
 * Propose deleting Category:Populated places in Ternopil Raion
 * Nominator's rationale: delete, after in an earlier discussion populated places by former raion categories were deleted, these are a few last places by still existing raion categories. There are only very few of them and they are poorly populated. A merge is not needed, all content is still contained at oblast level. Note that the nomination does not intend to touch the villages tree (Category:Villages by raion in Ukraine).  Marcocapelle (talk) 00:14, 20 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Delete the first and fourth, which only contain the villages sub-cat and have no parent Raion category. But upmerge the others to Category:Chortkiv Raion, Category:Kremenets Raion and Category:Ternopil Raion respectively. – Fayenatic  L ondon 15:53, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Fair point, the raion categories themselves still exist (or at least some of them). Marcocapelle (talk) 19:39, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

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 * Comment - inclined to oppose -- We adopted the formula "populated places", becasue of the difficulty in determining what was a village and what was a town. If anything the villages in foo raion should be renamed or merged to the categories of the type under discussion.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:37, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
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 * Reply to Peterkingiron: again, I am not against putting it all in "populated places" in general, but implementing this principle in just this nomination will leave 5 raion categories out of sync with the 76 others. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:39, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
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 * Delete/Upmerge per Fayenatic London's suggestion above. Conceptually sympathetic to Peterkingiron's proposal but that requires a larger future nomination. - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:31, 15 October 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Amputee sportspeople
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 * The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure)  Qwerfjkl  talk  21:34, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Amputee sportspeople to Category:Sportspeople with limb difference
 * Category:Amputee association footballers to Category:Association footballers with limb difference
 * Category:Amputee track and field athletes to Category:Track and field athletes with limb difference
 * Category:Amputee discus throwers to Category:Discus throwers with limb difference
 * Category:Amputee high jumpers to Category:High jumpers with limb difference
 * Category:Amputee javelin throwers to Category:Javelin throwers with limb difference
 * Category:Amputee long jumpers to Category:Long jumpers with limb difference
 * Category:Amputee long-distance runners to Category:Long-distance runners with limb difference
 * Category:Amputee middle-distance runners to Category:Middle-distance runners with limb difference
 * Category:Amputee shot putters to Category:Shot putters with limb difference
 * Category:Amputee sprinters to Category:Sprinters with limb difference
 * Category:Amputee triple jumpers to Category:Triple jumpers with limb difference
 * Category:Amputee marathon runners to Category:Marathon runners with limb difference


 * Nominator's rationale: There is a distinction between an amputee and limb difference: amputees only cover those with acquired limb difference and not those with congenital limb difference. In the world of disability sports, the two compete in the same category (usually called the amputee category, limb deficiency or limb difference category). This is not a categorisation problem where the category itself is used as a distinction (Category:Amputee category Paralympic competitors‎), but it is a problem for the various sportspeople categories describing the people as amputees. Several people in these categories have not undergone an amputation but were simply born with a limb difference (e.g. Carson Pickett, Jim Abbott). Given that this group of categories contains people like the aforementioned who are neither amputees nor competitors in amputee category sports, broadening the stated scope to "fooers with limb difference" will resolve the issue while avoiding the need to create separate category trees for people with acquired and congenital.


 * Note I have deliberately not nominated the parent Category:Amputees as that has greater complexity than the sports situation which I don't fully understand, though I can observe similar problems with Alison Lapper (which is in that via Category:People without hands) so happy if people want to nom those too SFB 19:07, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

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 * Keep all --Referring to such people as having a limb difference is political correctness gone mad: I would have expected that to be a euphemism for people with a malformed limb, such as thalidomide victims. There may be scope for splitting between leg and arm amputees, since a person without a hand may be able to run almost as well as a fully limbed person.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:12, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * surely the point of the nomination is to broaden the scope to include such persons; why oppose this? – Fayenatic  L ondon 07:12, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
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 * Renaame all per nom - will broaden the scope as per Fayenatic london argument, which is good argument and better consequence, which leaves Peterkingiron's argument in "political correctness gone mad" limbo, a realm from which usually weakest arguments come from.-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99°  06:18, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * If amputees and those with congenital limb difference compete directly against each other it makes perfect sense to have them in the same category with an overarching category name. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:18, 7 October 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Pages with invalid ISSN numbers
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 19:11, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting pages with invalid issn numbers
 * Nominator's rationale: This tracking category for ISSN numbers has either been superseded by Category:Pages with ISSN errors, or have never been in use. I can't find it in any of the places that might need tracking of invalid ISSN numbers:
 * in Module:Citation/CS1/Configuration tracking started with currently used  (wikilink)
 * in Template:ISSN tracking started with Category:Pages with ISSN errors and Category:Articles with invalid ISSNs which are still in use.
 * I also couldn't find anything regarding the category in question in template contributions of its author around the time of category's creation (who is blocked at the moment). —⁠andrybak (talk) 19:25, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I think I found the missing usage of the category: it was probably used by template Check ISSN which was recently deleted. It has been mentioned by the author of the category on the same day as it was created. As the template was deleted, speedy criterion WP:G8 applies. —⁠andrybak (talk) 19:43, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I think I found the missing usage of the category: it was probably used by template Check ISSN which was recently deleted. It has been mentioned by the author of the category on the same day as it was created. As the template was deleted, speedy criterion WP:G8 applies. —⁠andrybak (talk) 19:43, 6 October 2022 (UTC)


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Twins by nationality
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 13:29, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:Twin people by nationality to Category:Twins by nationality
 * Category:Twin people from Algeria to Category:Algerian twins
 * Category:Twin people from Argentina to Category:Argentine twins


 * Category:Twin people from Armenia to Category:Armenian twins
 * Category:Twin people from Australia to Category:Australian twins
 * Category:Twin people from Austria to Category:Austrian twins
 * Category:Twin people from the Bahamas to Category:Bahamian twins
 * Category:Twin people from Belarus to Category:Belarusian twins
 * Category:Twin people from Belgium to Category:Belgian twins
 * Category:Twin people from Bosnia and Herzegovina to Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina twins
 * Category:Twin people from Brazil to Category:Brazilian twins
 * Category:Twin people from Bulgaria to Category:Bulgarian twins
 * Category:Twin people from Burkina Faso to Category:Burkinabé twins
 * Category:Twin people from the Byzantine Empire to Category:Byzantine twins
 * Category:Twin people from Cameroon to Category:Cameroonian twins
 * Category:Twin people from Canada to Category:Canadian twins
 * Category:Twin people from the Cayman Islands to Category:Caymanian twins
 * Category:Twin people from Chile to Category:Chilean twins
 * Category:Twin people from China to Category:Chinese twins
 * Category:Twin people from Colombia to Category:Colombian twins
 * Category:Twin people from the Democratic Republic of the Congo to Category:Democratic Republic of the Congo twins
 * Category:Twin people from Costa Rica to Category:Costa Rican twins
 * Category:Twin people from Croatia to Category:Croatian twins
 * Category:Twin people from Cuba to Category:Cuban twins
 * Category:Twin people from Cyprus to Category:Cypriot twins
 * Category:Twin people from the Czech Republic to Category:Czech twins
 * Category:Twin people from Denmark to Category:Danish twins
 * Category:Twin people from the Dominican Republic to Category:Dominican Republic twins
 * Category:Twin people from Egypt to Category:Egyptian twins
 * Category:Twin people from El Salvador to Category:Salvadoran twins
 * Category:Twin people from Equatorial Guinea to Category:Equatoguinean twins
 * Category:Twin people from Estonia to Category:Estonian twins
 * Category:Twin people from the Faroe Islands to Category:Faroese twins
 * Category:Twin people from Finland to Category:Finnish twins
 * Category:Twin people from France to Category:French twins
 * Category:Twin people from the Gambia to Category:Gambian twins
 * Category:Twin people from Georgia (country) to Category:Twins from Georgia (country)
 * Category:Twin people from Germany to Category:German twins
 * Category:Twin people from Ghana to Category:Ghanaian twins
 * Category:Twin people from Gibraltar to Category:Gibraltarian twins
 * Category:Twin people from Greece to Category:Greek twins
 * Category:Twin people from Guinea to Category:Guinean twins
 * Category:Twin people from Haiti to Category:Haitian twins
 * Category:Twin people from the Hawaiian Kingdom to Category:Hawaiian Kingdom twins
 * Category:Twin people from Hong Kong to Category:Hong Kong twins
 * Category:Twin people from Hungary to Category:Hungarian twins
 * Category:Twin people from Iceland to Category:Icelandic twins
 * Category:Twin people from India to Category:Indian twins
 * Category:Twin people from Indonesia to Category:Indonesian twins
 * Category:Twin people from Iran to Category:Iranian twins
 * Category:Twin people from Ireland to Category:Irish twins
 * Category:Twin people from Israel to Category:Israeli twins
 * Category:Twin people from Italy to Category:Italian twins
 * Category:Twin people from Ivory Coast to Category:Ivorian twins
 * Category:Twin people from Jamaica to Category:Jamaican twins
 * Category:Twin people from Japan to Category:Japanese twins
 * Category:Twin people from Jordan to Category:Jordanian twins
 * Category:Twin people from Kazakhstan to Category:Kazakhstani twins
 * Category:Twin people from Kenya to Category:Kenyan twins
 * Category:Twin people from Latvia to Category:Latvian twins
 * Category:Twin people from Liberia to Category:Liberian twins
 * Category:Twin people from Lithuania to Category:Lithuanian twins
 * Category:Twin people from Luxembourg to Category:Luxembourgian twins
 * Category:Twin people from Malaysia to Category:Malaysian twins
 * Category:Twin people from Malta to Category:Maltese twins
 * Category:Twin people from Mauritius to Category:Mauritian twins
 * Category:Twin people from Mexico to Category:Mexican twins
 * Category:Twin people from Moldova to Category:Moldovan twins
 * Category:Twin people from Monaco to Category:Monagesque twins
 * Category:Twin people from Mozambique to Category:Mozambican twins
 * Category:Twin people from Myanmar to Category:Burmese twins
 * Category:Twin people from the Netherlands to Category:Dutch twins
 * Category:Twin people from New Zealand to Category:New Zealand twins
 * Category:Twin people from Nicaragua to Category:Nicaraguan twins
 * Category:Twin people from Nigeria to Category:Nigerian twins
 * Category:Twin people from North Korea to Category:North Korean twins
 * Category:Twin people from North Macedonia to Category:North Macedonian twins
 * Category:Twin people from Norway to Category:Norwegian twins
 * Category:Twin people from Pakistan to Category:Pakistani twins
 * Category:Twin people from Panama to Category:Panamanian twins
 * Category:Twin people from Paraguay to Category:Paraguayan twins
 * Category:Twin people from Peru to Category:Peruvian twins
 * Category:Twin people from the Philippines to Category:Filipino twins
 * Category:Twin people from Poland to Category:Polish twins
 * Category:Twin people from Portugal to Category:Portuguese twins
 * Category:Twin people from Romania to Category:Romanian twins
 * Category:Twin people of ancient Rome to Category:Twins from ancient Rome
 * Category:Twin people from Russia to Category:Russian twins
 * Category:Twin people from San Marino to Category:Sammarinese twins
 * Category:Twin people from Serbia to Category:Serbian twins
 * Category:Twin people from Seychelles to Category:Seychellois twins
 * Category:Twin people from Singapore to Category:Singaporean twins
 * Category:Twin people from Slovakia to Category:Slovak twins
 * Category:Twin people from Slovenia to Category:Slovenian twins
 * Category:Twin people from South Africa to Category:South African twins
 * Category:Twin people from South Korea to Category:South Korean twins
 * Category:Twin people from Spain to Category:Spanish twins
 * Category:Twin people from Sri Lanka to Category:Sri Lankan twins
 * Category:Twin people from Sweden to Category:Swedish twins
 * Category:Twin people from Switzerland to Category:Swiss twins
 * Category:Twin people from Syria to Category:Syrian twins
 * Category:Twin people from Taiwan to Category:Taiwanese twins
 * Category:Twin people from Thailand to Category:Thai twins
 * Category:Twin people from Trinidad and Tobago to Category:Trinidad and Tobago twins
 * Category:Twin people from Tunisia to Category:Tunisian twins
 * Category:Twin people from Turkey to Category:Turkish twins
 * Category:Twin people from Uganda to Category:Ugandan twins
 * Category:Twin people from Ukraine to Category:Ukrainian twins
 * Category:Twin people from the United Arab Emirates to Category:Emirati twins
 * Category:Twin people from the United Kingdom to Category:British twins
 * Category:Twin people from the United States to Category:American twins
 * Category:Twin people from Uruguay to Category:Uruguayan twins
 * Category:Twin people from Vanuatu to Category:Vanuatuan twins
 * Category:Twin people from Venezuela to Category:Venezuelan twins
 * Category:Twin people from Zambia to Category:Zambian twins
 * Category:Twin people from Zimbabwe to Category:Zimbabwean twins
 * Category:Twin people from the Zulu Kingdom to Category:Zulu twins
 * Category:Twin people from England to Category:English twins


 * Category:Twin people from Northern Ireland to Category:Twins from Northern Ireland
 * Category:Twin people from Scotland to Category:Scottish twins
 * Category:Twin people from Wales to Category:Welsh twins
 * Nominator's rationale: To conform to the rest of Category:People by nationality. At the moment, only twins and LGBT people (see LGBT poets yesterday) do not follow the general pattern of using the adjectival form. Also, the phrase "twin people" is used to distinguish the set category Category:Twin people from the topic category Category:Twin, but apart from that it is not needed. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:48, 6 October 2022 (UTC)


 * For the record, Category:Twin was called "Twins" at a 2005 CFD, but speedily moved in 2014 to match the page Twin. I decided not to nominate it for renaming back to Twins, for reasons noted at Category talk:Twin. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:19, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - per convention in Category:People by nationality. My 2nd preference would be 'Fooian twin people'. Oculi (talk) 16:30, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support -- prefer "twins" - category names are usually plural and do not need to be changes because the main article is in the singular. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:25, 7 October 2022 (UTC)


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Category:People from Astrakhan Oblast
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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 13:28, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Yenotayevsky District to Category:People from Astrakhan Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Privolzhsky District, Astrakhan Oblast to Category:People from Astrakhan Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Krasnoyarsky District, Astrakhan Oblast to Category:People from Astrakhan Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Ikryaninsky District to Category:People from Astrakhan Oblast
 * Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 articles in each category. Rathfelder (talk) 12:36, 6 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Support per nom and similar recent cfds such as 2022 September 25#Category:People from Kurgan Oblast. Oculi (talk) 12:47, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:33, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom, too.-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99°  13:00, 7 October 2022 (UTC)


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Category:People from Arkhangelsk Oblast
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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 11:18, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Shenkursky District to Category:People from Arkhangelsk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Primorsky District, Arkhangelsk Oblast to Category:People from Arkhangelsk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Onezhsky District to Category:People from Arkhangelsk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Mirny, Arkhangelsk Oblast to Category:People from Arkhangelsk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Mezensky District to Category:People from Arkhangelsk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Lensky District, Arkhangelsk Oblast to Category:People from Arkhangelsk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Krasnoborsky District to Category:People from Arkhangelsk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Koryazhma to Category:People from Arkhangelsk Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Kargopolsky District to Category:People from Arkhangelsk Oblast
 * Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 articles in each Rathfelder (talk) 12:29, 6 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Support per nom and similar recent cfds. Oculi (talk) 12:47, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:33, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom, too.-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99°  13:00, 7 October 2022 (UTC)


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Category:People from Amur Oblast
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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 11:18, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Zeya, Russia to Category:People from Amur Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Zavitinsky District to Category:People from Amur Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Tyndinsky District to Category:People from Amur Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Shimanovsk to Category:People from Amur Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Seryshevsky District to Category:People from Amur Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Raychikhinsk to Category:People from Amur Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Mikhaylovsky District, Amur Oblast to Category:People from Amur Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Ivanovsky District, Amur Oblast to Category:People from Amur Oblast
 * Propose merging Category:People from Arkharinsky District to Category:People from Amur Oblast
 * Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 articles in each category. Rathfelder (talk) 10:06, 6 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Support per nom and similar recent cfds. Oculi (talk) 12:47, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:34, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom, too.-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99°  13:00, 7 October 2022 (UTC)


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Category:People from the Altai Republic
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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 11:18, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Ust-Koksinsky District to Category:People from the Altai Republic
 * Propose merging Category:People from Shebalinsky District to Category:People from the Altai Republic
 * Propose merging Category:People from Mayminsky District to Category:People from the Altai Republic
 * Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 articles in each category. Rathfelder (talk) 10:06, 6 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Support per nom and similar recent cfds. Oculi (talk) 12:47, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:34, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom, too.-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99°  13:02, 7 October 2022 (UTC)


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Small franchises
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 * The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 11:22, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose deleting 100 bullets
 * Propose deleting omega men
 * Propose deleting planetary (comics)
 * Propose deleting red (wildstorm)
 * Propose deleting marvel 1602
 * Nominator's rationale: Similar to Categories_for_discussion/Log/2022_September_28, each of these has only 4 articles, already interlinked, and the media involved do not comprise sufficient content to be categorised as a franchise. – Fayenatic  L ondon 11:49, 6 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Support per nom - additionally, I don't see they could grow in volume.-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99°  13:03, 7 October 2022 (UTC)


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Category:People from Altai Krai
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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 11:19, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:People from Zarinsky District to Category:People from Altai Krai
 * Propose merging Category:People from Zarinsk to Category:People from Altai Krai
 * Propose merging Category:People from Zalesovsky District to Category:People from Altai Krai
 * Propose merging Category:People from Yeltsovsky District to Category:People from Altai Krai
 * Propose merging Category:People from Yegoryevsky District, Altai Krai to Category:People from Altai Krai
 * Propose merging Category:People from Yarovoye to Category:People from Altai Krai
 * Propose merging Category:People from Ust-Kalmansky District to Category:People from Altai Krai
 * Propose merging Category:People from Tyumentsevsky District to Category:People from Altai Krai
 * Propose merging Category:People from Topchikhinsky District to Category:People from Altai Krai
 * Propose merging Category:People from Suyetsky District to Category:People from Altai Krai
 * Propose merging Category:People from Sovetsky District, Altai Krai to Category:People from Altai Krai
 * Propose merging Category:People from Romanovsky District, Altai Krai to Category:People from Altai Krai
 * Propose merging Category:People from Pavlovsky District, Altai Krai to Category:People from Altai Krai
 * Propose merging Category:People from Pankrushikhinsky District to Category:People from Altai Krai
 * Propose merging Category:People from Novoaltaysk to Category:People from Altai Krai
 * Propose merging Category:People from Novichikhinsky District to Category:People from Altai Krai
 * Propose merging Category:People from Kytmanovsky District to Category:People from Altai Krai
 * Propose merging Category:People from Kuryinsky District to Category:People from Altai Krai
 * Propose merging Category:People from Krasnogorsky District, Altai Krai to Category:People from Altai Krai
 * Propose merging Category:People from Kosikhinsky District to Category:People from Altai Krai
 * Propose merging Category:People from Kamensky District, Altai Krai to Category:People from Altai Krai
 * Propose merging Category:People from Kamen-na-Obi to Category:People from Altai Krai
 * Propose merging Category:People from Kalmansky District to Category:People from Altai Krai
 * Propose merging Category:People from Bystroistoksky District to Category:People from Altai Krai
 * Propose merging Category:People from Biysky District to Category:People from Altai Krai
 * Propose merging Category:People from Altaysky District, Altai Krai to Category:People from Altai Krai
 * Propose merging Category:People from Aleysk to Category:People from Altai Krai
 * Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 articles in each category.


 * There are hundreds more like this in Category:People by district in Russia. Couldnt we have a speedy procedure for nearly empty categories? Rathfelder (talk) 10:06, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * A speedy procedure only makes a difference in terms of speed of implementation. For effort of nominating (listing and tagging) a speedy procedure does not make a difference and I guess that is what you are after? Marcocapelle (talk) 11:49, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * And if a bulk speedy is opposed (even on frivolous grounds) the effort of tagging has to be repeated for a full cfd. Oculi (talk) 12:52, 6 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Support per nom and similar recent cfds. Oculi (talk) 10:52, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:36, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per nom, too.-- ౪ Santa ౪ 99°  13:04, 7 October 2022 (UTC)


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Category:St. Xavier High School (Cincinnati) alumni
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 * The result of the discussion was: speedily renamed already, partly because the category page was not tagged with any link to this discussion. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:02, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose renaming Category:St. Xavier High School (Cincinnati) alumni to Category:St. Xavier High School (Ohio) alumni
 * Nominator's rationale: For consistency with St. Xavier High School (Ohio), which has been moved from St. Xavier High School (Cincinnati). – Minh Nguyễn &#x1f4ac; 05:56, 6 October 2022 (UTC)


 * This can be done speedily. Rathfelder (talk) 10:25, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support - the article move was undiscussed but has been stable since 2019. Oculi (talk) 11:19, 6 October 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Pennsylvania Main Line
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 * The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 11:23, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Propose renaming Category:Pennsylvania Main Line to Category:Philadelphia Main Line
 * Nominator's rationale: This category should never have been named as it is. All the items it categorizes are related to Philadelphia Main Line, a very prominent region of suburban Philadelphia. There is no such thing as Pennsylvania Main Line. An article properly exists on the Philadelphia Main Line, and every article in this category references Philadelphia Main Line but has been burdened by this misleading Pennsylvania Main Line category name. It should be renamed. Keystone18 (talk) 04:13, 6 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Support - Pennsylvania Main Line was moved to Philadelphia Main Line in 2010. Oculi (talk) 11:03, 6 October 2022 (UTC)


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Category:Articles containing Aramaic-language text
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 October 14%23Category:Articles containing Aramaic-language text

"History of &lt;country&gt; templates" to "&lt;country&gt; history templates"
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 * The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 11:20, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Propose merging Category:History of Laos templates to Category:Laos history templates
 * Propose merging Category:History of Vietnam templates to Category:Vietnam history templates
 * Propose merging Category:History of Cambodia templates to Category:Cambodia history templates
 * Nominator's rationale: categories under Category:History and events templates by country are named &lt;country name&gt; history templates. —⁠andrybak (talk) 01:45, 6 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Also add Category:History of Cambodia templates and please combine these into one nomination. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:49, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * . Done. —⁠andrybak (talk) 01:50, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. This probably fits the criteria for speedy renaming if the category scheme is consistent. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:56, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per convention in Category:History and events templates by country. Oculi (talk) 17:45, 6 October 2022 (UTC)


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